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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 3:55:18 PM
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Corne
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You must look at word definitions and context to understand gluttony in a biblical sense.
Eating "enough" is a math issue. Calories vs energy spent. How does one know if not knowledgeable in the nutritional math of calorie vs output? What does a person do when their "enough" hormone is not functioning? (yes, there is such a hormone) There are countless other health factors that influence weight balance.
Let's say a man works on a farm for 2 decades. Eats 3 giant meals per day and is lean and strong. Moves to the city. takes an office job, works 50 to 60 hours per week to support his family, does household chores, volunteers at church. He has cut his calorie consumption from farm days by 40% but still gained 50 pounds in 5 years.
Can we actually call this man lazy? Many would if he is not specifically doing an exercise program. But biblically speaking we cannot call this man's character lazy. There is a balance of calorie input vs energy output issue, age and who knows what else, but it is not gluttony or laziness. Look at the typical homemaker, working hard at so many things over 40-60 hours per week and yet we dare call her lazy if she is overweight because she is unmotivated or whatever to do formal exercise? She may be the most virtuous woman you ever met. She has a health issue.
The reality is, our lifestyles as humans used to be very labor intense. Our culture isn't like that in most sectors anymore. We now have a need to invent and employ things that work our bodies because what once was a natural part of living is no longer. There are other things in our lives that influence our health too. We need to learn and understand the health challenges of our day and work with them.
But it is grievous to call hardworking men and women lazy when we see a lack of weight balance and a lack of formal exercise program in their lives. This is a modern health issue.
When we see athletic model being given in the NT, we see that we are told that training the body is of a little worth but training the spirit is of GREAT value and that should be our focus.
I fail to see your connection between trusting God and eating the correct number of calories.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 3:57:38 PM
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Corne
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I think the big mistake the church makes is when they do address weight, it's viewed as a spiritual issue when it's primarily a health issue.
I believe each person is different. For some it will be a health and/or medical issue while for others it will be a spiritual issue or more to the point an obedience (to scripture) issue. I think one of the places the body needs to address is the 'blanket' manner in which many topics are taught, preached, gossiped about, etc.
Holdcard
Obedience to what scripture?
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 4:06:31 PM
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Obedience to what scripture?
I need to get going for now. I'll try to post some scripture tonight or tomorrow.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 4:29:00 PM
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traddatz
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I fail to see your connection between trusting God and eating the correct number of calories.
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The scriptures supporting my opinion are as follows with the web site that I pulled this information from.
Proverbs 23:20-21 warns us, “Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.” http://www.gotquestions.org/gluttony-sin.html
I can only quote the bible on the gluttonly issue. It is what it is, and I cannot and will not change the verse. To me, it seems to state the fact that eating to many calories is gluttony. I think that health issues aside, God still speaks to us with this verse. Please understand that eating 40 calories more then you need is NOT gluttony, but eating 500 calories a day more than you need will have a big impact on your body and health. I think it works out to almost 1 pound a week of extra weight. Over a year and that works out to 50 pounds.
Our culture has changed many things in our diet, but that only means that we have to change our habits. If we eat too much in 2009, we will become overweight. If we don't burn as many calories and we take in. Like you said, simple math.
Trusting God in all things seems to be a theme through the bible, and in my opinion, that includes food.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 4:34:21 PM
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Eat when you're hungry.
Stop when you're full.
The abuse of that is the problem.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 4:38:08 PM
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Corne
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The scriptures supporting my opinion are as follows with the web site that I pulled this information from.
Proverbs 23:20-21 warns us, “Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.” http://www.gotquestions.org/gluttony-sin.html
I can only quote the bible on the gluttonly issue. It is what it is, and I cannot and will not change the verse. To me, it seems to state the fact that eating to many calories is gluttony. I think that health issues aside, God still speaks to us with this verse.
Take another look to understand the context. That verse is describing a godless lifestyle, not an eating style. More specifically it is describing the types of godless people NOT to hang out with. Read from verse 1 through your quoted verse.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 5:55:25 PM
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traddatz
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ORIGINAL: Corne
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ORIGINAL: traddatz
The scriptures supporting my opinion are as follows with the web site that I pulled this information from.
Proverbs 23:20-21 warns us, “Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.” http://www.gotquestions.org/gluttony-sin.html
I can only quote the bible on the gluttonly issue. It is what it is, and I cannot and will not change the verse. To me, it seems to state the fact that eating to many calories is gluttony. I think that health issues aside, God still speaks to us with this verse.
Take another look to understand the context. That verse is describing a godless lifestyle, not an eating style. More specifically it is describing the types of godless people NOT to hang out with. Read from verse 1 through your quoted verse.
I read the whole chapter as requested to make sure that I did not miss anything or misquote anything. There are a list of commands and warnings that this chapter talks about and seems to jump from topic to topic, and warning to warning. I see a few places where it specifically talks about food, both quantity and quality.
I my estimation all of the things listed are things that we Christians want to stay away from and can at any time fall into. Honestly, I still struggle with some of those things.
The warnings in these verses do look at the godlessness, and we should strive to stay away from such behavior. However, and this is a big however, we can and sometimes do forget God and follow in the ways of sinners, and unto that end, these verses server as a warning from God to me.
Good conversation, but I think that I still hold my opinion.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 8:39:50 PM
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I don't eat too many calories because I don't trust God to give me food tomorrow; I eat too many calories because I enjoy the food.
It's not always a trust issue.
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