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Church of God - 5/22/2009 8:36:15 PM
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supernova1976
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Ok my friends in Christ. This is a first. I have had JW's- Mormon's at my door this is a new religion that surfaced. I allowed them into my home and we went over scriptures. I googled what they are about and they are not practicing anything that isn't really in the bible. They did tell me that God can be a mother though and how there is more than one God even showing me a passage that said God said "Let us" or something like that. I am so confused guys. I saw there beliefs on their site and it seems so harsh. I guess I am never to have a glass of wine again, have sex again since re-marriage is forbidden ever and divorce is evil -well that includes me then! lol I am a divorced woman, you can't wear jewlery, and it is all so gloomy.
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 8:44:06 PM
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Church of God? Church of God in Christ? United Church of Christ? There are several with that title, can you link to them so that we can better understand your question?
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 8:51:39 PM
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Church of God. They said that Jesus already came for the second coming and went back to heaven. That in 1948 he knocked on a literal door as man and the cloud vision meant as a man.
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 8:57:14 PM
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It's sad when folks get wound up in religion and not Jesus.
Very true. Maybe instead of the word 'wound' it should be 'bound.'
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 9:03:08 PM
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They said that Jesus already came for the second coming
Where is New Jerusalem?
Put a lion and sheep together and see what happens.
Did I miss the Tribulation?
Jesus does not go back into Heaven after the second coming.
Unless you are a new christian, these claims are easily countered by scripture. JW is a cult.
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 9:06:31 PM
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Yeah, I thought so. They also said there were many Gods???? I brought up grace as how we are saved and we simply have to believe and follow him, and confess and we will be sinners till we die that is why Jesus came and I brought up the thief on the cross, how he wasn't even baptized or even had much time to repent and he still extended grace to the criminal when he died, and I asked them about that then and they said that he was a special case. I said that God doesn't show favoritism though, and he didn't reply to that one.
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 9:09:44 PM
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I saw there beliefs on their site and it seems so harsh.
Could you post the link to their site please to clarify who they are?
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 9:12:19 PM
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Sigh.... these kinds of groups come a dime a dozen.
As soon as someone tells me not to touch wine, that's where I know they are in severe error. Wine is Kosher drink in the bible. In moderation (as opposed to blatant drunkenness) it is allowed. Jesus drank wine. It is a dangerous thing to mess with God's dietary Laws.
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 9:12:48 PM
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Is this the Local Church of God? I've seen several families of Christians get blown out of the water by this cult.
There is only one God - He says so in Isaiah 45:5:
I am the LORD, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me.
Just To be balanced, there are gods (small g):
2 Kings 19:18
and have cast their gods into the fire; for they were not gods, but the work of men’s hands—wood and stone.
God said, "Let Us create man in Our image" because our one God is three Persons - God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit.
We can't understand how one God could be three Persons because we aren't made that way, but He is that way. I guess we'll see better in heaven. Meanwhile, God is the only one who can talk to Himself and be legit. 
God says in Isaiah 49:15
Can a mother forget the baby at her breast
and have no compassion on the child she has borne?
Though she may forget, I will not forget you!
There's another mother imagery but I don't remember where; maybe someone else knows it.
The Bible is deep and wide, and there are liars who want to fool people into their own perversions by twisting Scripture. You are wise to ask about this. I come from a cultic background and had to fight my way out; I willingly deal with cultists and their lies and have for years, but it's still spiritual warfare and very difficult. In the end, we tell the truth and they deny it.
You are free in Christ, dear Supernova. Don't let the orcs steal your faith and liberty in Christ.
Get a look at Walter Martin's book, "Kingdom of the Cults," where he puts cultist beliefs side by side with Scripture, and then it becomes far clearer.
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 9:31:58 PM
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Ok my friends in Christ. This is a first. I have had JW's- Mormon's at my door this is a new religion that surfaced. I allowed them into my home and we went over scriptures. I googled what they are about and they are not practicing anything that isn't really in the bible. They did tell me that God can be a mother though and how there is more than one God even showing me a passage that said God said "Let us" or something like that. I am so confused guys. I saw there beliefs on their site and it seems so harsh. I guess I am never to have a glass of wine again, have sex again since re-marriage is forbidden ever and divorce is evil -well that includes me then! lol I am a divorced woman, you can't wear jewlery, and it is all so gloomy.
Don't be gloomy! The Truth is complete in the Bible alone. It doesn't need comic books to help you understand. Test everything against scripture and it all makes sense. It is man and his erroneous ideas, fears, superstions, and manipulations that cause confusion.
But, good Christian desciplers are hard to find. Seeking the truth with a group of honest loving friends is good, though. If all are humble toward the Truth then encouraging one another is helpful. But it does take some time and testing to learn to trust scripture and prove it true to yourself. There is a lot of junk that we need to clean out of our heads and hearts.
Pr 3:5,6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight.
Rusty
P.S. We are all born ignorant of the Truth. We do many stupid things to others, and others do many stupid things to us. We go through divorces....etc. But God wants to make you a new creature in Christ. He offers forgiveness and a new way. Love God first and He will teach you how to love family, friends, and neighbors, even if they don't want to love scripture themselves.
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 9:38:27 PM
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I saw there beliefs on their site and it seems so harsh.
Could you post the link to their site please to clarify who they are?
They didn't give me a site, they said they are in Reseda California, though and went to google Church of God but nothing from that exact city came up. They don't believe in wearing the cross and they don't have a cross on the church building because it is a symbol something God forbids. So all this time I have been sinning and not knowing it? cause I wear a cross sometimes.
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 9:41:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: deermousie
Is this the Local Church of God? I've seen several families of Christians get blown out of the water by this cult.
There is only one God - He says so in Isaiah 45:5:
I am the LORD, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me.
Just To be balanced, there are gods (small g):
2 Kings 19:18
and have cast their gods into the fire; for they were not gods, but the work of men’s hands—wood and stone.
God said, "Let Us create man in Our image" because our one God is three Persons - God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit.
We can't understand how one God could be three Persons because we aren't made that way, but He is that way. I guess we'll see better in heaven. Meanwhile, God is the only one who can talk to Himself and be legit.
God says in Isaiah 49:15
Can a mother forget the baby at her breast
and have no compassion on the child she has borne?
Though she may forget, I will not forget you!
There's another mother imagery but I don't remember where; maybe someone else knows it.
The Bible is deep and wide, and there are liars who want to fool people into their own perversions by twisting Scripture. You are wise to ask about this. I come from a cultic background and had to fight my way out; I willingly deal with cultists and their lies and have for years, but it's still spiritual warfare and very difficult. In the end, we tell the truth and they deny it.
You are free in Christ, dear Supernova. Don't let the orcs steal your faith and liberty in Christ.
Get a look at Walter Martin's book, "Kingdom of the Cults," where he puts cultist beliefs side by side with Scripture, and then it becomes far clearer.
Thank you so much! I was starting to wonder what was wrong with the idea of wearing a cross. This helps. I told them that God is my father, and he said yes "but" sorry I AM OFFENDED when Christ is placed with a "yes but". That is my father your talking about- our father! you know?
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RE: Church of God - 5/22/2009 9:42:29 PM
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Ok my friends in Christ. This is a first. I have had JW's- Mormon's at my door this is a new religion that surfaced. I allowed them into my home and we went over scriptures. I googled what they are about and they are not practicing anything that isn't really in the bible. They did tell me that God can be a mother though and how there is more than one God even showing me a passage that said God said "Let us" or something like that. I am so confused guys. I saw there beliefs on their site and it seems so harsh. I guess I am never to have a glass of wine again, have sex again since re-marriage is forbidden ever and divorce is evil -well that includes me then! lol I am a divorced woman, you can't wear jewlery, and it is all so gloomy.
Don't be gloomy! The Truth is complete in the Bible alone. It doesn't need comic books to help you understand. Test everything against scripture and it all makes sense. It is man and his erroneous ideas, fears, superstions, and manipulations that cause confusion.
But, good Christian desciplers are hard to find. Seeking the truth with a group of honest loving friends is good, though. If all are humble toward the Truth then encouraging one another is helpful. But it does take some time and testing to learn to trust scripture and prove it true to yourself. There is a lot of junk that we need to clean out of our heads and hearts.
Pr 3:5,6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight.
Rusty
P.S. We are all born ignorant of the Truth. We do many stupid things to others, and others do many stupid things to us. We go through divorces....etc. But God wants to make you a new creature in Christ. He offers forgiveness and a new way. Love God first and He will teach you how to love family, friends, and neighbors, even if they don't want to love scripture themselves.
Thank you sooooo much! God bless you.
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RE: Church of God - 5/23/2009 3:54:46 AM
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They didn't give me a site, they said they are in Reseda California, though and went to google Church of God but nothing from that exact city came up.
Thing is you said:
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I googled what they are about and they are not practicing anything that isn't really in the bible.
So I thought you knew who they were.
From what you say, I am thinking they are the World Mission Society Church of God.
And if they are, believe me, their beliefs *are* contrary to the Bible.
Have a look at the Wikipedia entry and see if it's them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Mission_Society_Church_of_God
Some of the beliefs match what you've said.
If it's not them, let me know and I will look again.
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RE: Church of God - 5/23/2009 11:51:07 AM
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Hello supernova1976
May I suggest a screening device you can use for door to door peddling of religion? Ask them, while they are standing on your porch, who Jesus Christ is. If you have to walk onto your entrance way and close the door.
Now what would you want to be their answer. Jesus said of Himself that He is the way the truth and the life. No one comes to God except through Him. And in Colossi ans, Paul talks about the supremacy of Christ in the first and second chapters.
If you don't get answers like I mentioned above - Do Not let them in your house.
Divorced, sinner, adulterer, outward adornment or whatever are forgiven through a relationship with Jesus Christ. If you have that relationship, All the issues of life fall into place.
But remember, if you want to be a true Christian, you must answer for yourself the question, "Who is Jesus Christ?"
If that is settle for you, there is no need to study any religion. If one has a new Cadillac, who would want an old Vega.
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RE: Church of God - 5/23/2009 12:50:55 PM
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Hello supernova1976
May I suggest a screening device you can use for door to door peddling of religion? Ask them, while they are standing on your porch, who Jesus Christ is. If you have to walk onto your entrance way and close the door.
Now what would you want to be their answer. Jesus said of Himself that He is the way the truth and the life. No one comes to God except through Him. And in Colossi ans, Paul talks about the supremacy of Christ in the first and second chapters.
If you don't get answers like I mentioned above - Do Not let them in your house.
Divorced, sinner, adulterer, outward adornment or whatever are forgiven through a relationship with Jesus Christ. If you have that relationship, All the issues of life fall into place.
But remember, if you want to be a true Christian, you must answer for yourself the question, "Who is Jesus Christ?"
If that is settle for you, there is no need to study any religion. If one has a new Cadillac, who would want an old Vega.
Thank you! That helps a lot!
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RE: Church of God - 5/23/2009 9:34:43 PM
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Ok my friends in Christ. This is a first. I have had JW's- Mormon's at my door this is a new religion that surfaced. I allowed them into my home and we went over scriptures. I googled what they are about and they are not practicing anything that isn't really in the bible. They did tell me that God can be a mother though and how there is more than one God even showing me a passage that said God said "Let us" or something like that. I am so confused guys. I saw there beliefs on their site and it seems so harsh. I guess I am never to have a glass of wine again, have sex again since re-marriage is forbidden ever and divorce is evil -well that includes me then! lol I am a divorced woman, you can't wear jewlery, and it is all so gloomy.
The bible say's to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. don't let someone tell you what the new testament say's find out for your self. By the way, jesus give's 3 reason's you can re-marry.
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RE: Church of God - 5/23/2009 9:54:38 PM
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One of Joyce Meyers conferences she stated that the problem of today only 13% born again Christians believe in that the Bible is truth..How sad is that? Jesus said John14:6 I'm the way, the Truth. The world today is saying there is no absolute truth, we say that all views are equally the same, truth is relevant-meaning truth is revolving, changing based on our culture and circustances. This is wrong and sad. God frowns upon this. Because the Bible is truth.
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RE: Church of God - 5/23/2009 9:57:40 PM
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supernova
So, do you think it was the World Mission Society Church of God, as mentioned in my post #15?
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RE: Church of God - 5/23/2009 10:58:51 PM
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supernova
So, do you think it was the World Mission Society Church of God, as mentioned in my post #15?
I think it was the International one is that different? well International is world so then yes right? lol
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RE: Church of God - 5/23/2009 10:59:59 PM
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Ok my friends in Christ. This is a first. I have had JW's- Mormon's at my door this is a new religion that surfaced. I allowed them into my home and we went over scriptures. I googled what they are about and they are not practicing anything that isn't really in the bible. They did tell me that God can be a mother though and how there is more than one God even showing me a passage that said God said "Let us" or something like that. I am so confused guys. I saw there beliefs on their site and it seems so harsh. I guess I am never to have a glass of wine again, have sex again since re-marriage is forbidden ever and divorce is evil -well that includes me then! lol I am a divorced woman, you can't wear jewlery, and it is all so gloomy.
The bible say's to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. don't let someone tell you what the new testament say's find out for your self. By the way, jesus give's 3 reason's you can re-marry.
Thank you so much. Yes, I deffo tremble all day. So there are three? thank you. God Bless you.
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RE: Church of God - 5/23/2009 11:01:21 PM
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One of Joyce Meyers conferences she stated that the problem of today only 13% born again Christians believe in that the Bible is truth..How sad is that? Jesus said John14:6 I'm the way, the Truth. The world today is saying there is no absolute truth, we say that all views are equally the same, truth is relevant-meaning truth is revolving, changing based on our culture and circustances. This is wrong and sad. God frowns upon this. Because the Bible is truth.
It is very sad. I agree, very sad.
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RE: Church of God - 5/23/2009 11:17:54 PM
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People do not realize the power of the Word." and the word became flesh and dwelt among us john 1:14. its what Jesus used to fight the devil,it's for instrution and training in rightgeousness.etc etc etc.
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RE: Church of God - 5/27/2009 1:49:05 PM
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Actually this may be an old-line Worldwide Church of God, the Herbert W Armstrong group. I would stay FAR away from that denomination. While they are better overall than what they were back when Armstrtong was still alive (1960s) they are still considered a cult.
As to the other denominations with that name, there are dozens and most are pretty good.
Church of God, Anderson IN (fundamentalist) and COG, Cleveland TN (pentecostal) are the 2 largest.
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