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RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? - 6/23/2009 11:17:29 PM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, yzf-r1.
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Gog and Magog are general terms. There is no possible way to put Ezekiel 38 at the end of the 1,000 years. Your post is completely ignorant of the passage in question.
Actually, Nobody1 is RIGHT!
Rev 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV
Have you ever considered that MAYBE we are reading Ezekiel 38 & 39 WRONGLY?
Gotta fit them into our theological box somehow!
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? - 6/23/2009 11:24:06 PM
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Shalom, again.
I mean, who says there can't be TWO instances when the birds feed on the flesh of the fallen? John in the Revelation seems to say that there will be TWO such instances, Rev. 19:17-18 and then here in Rev. 20:8-9 cf. Ezek. 39:17-20.
Just a thought.
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? - 6/24/2009 8:40:47 PM
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This is the Prophecy of Assyria concerning every bird made a nest under her Tree that was planted along the Tigris at Prophecy of the riverheads written in Genesis. One Tree was Assyria, there are many trees in a forest.
Birds is a Prophetic Word for spirits of Ministry and Healing and there is the flood of the enmity between them in the struggle to bring good things to the people that they need for their lives. Thus, the Prophet is fulfilled in an unfolding fashion with seal decisions intermitten at the appropriate time with orderings and it is as a flood coming towards the culminating events when the river runs dry as is in The Prophecy of Armageddon where the waters that make these trees planted on the Euphrates as nations will be gathered for they can no longer function in the order in which they were for God is a God of order. This is that there is an appointed for the evil one until The Words are fulfilled. Then, The Judgment for the decisions when God gathers the nations into the valley to face the decision regarding the pride of men when they were given things and they were allowed certain things concerning the Greatest Prophet which was John the Baptist. Jesus tells him that he will not see him until, for he knows that he is a fox trying to ruin the vineyards.
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Shalom, again.
I mean, who says there can't be TWO instances when the birds feed on the flesh of the fallen? John in the Revelation seems to say that there will be TWO such instances, Rev. 19:17-18 and then here in Rev. 20:8-9 cf. Ezek. 39:17-20.
Just a thought.
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? - 7/2/2009 10:41:49 PM
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deborlie
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According to my Bible.....(don't know about yours.....)
Rev. 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20. Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
3. and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
Rev 20:7 (My Bible states: Satanic Rebellion Crushed. (Ezek. 38; 39)
Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison.
8. and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth,
Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
9. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. (I take this to mean there was no war here.)
10. The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are.............
So the AC couldn't be involved with the war of Gog and Magog....he was in the lake of fire all this time. So back to square one.
There may be wars and rumors of wars before the appearance of the AC , but the war of Armageddon is fought (I figure the in last half of the tribulation, God's wrath. Satan will also upgrade his vengeance on the people at this time too.)
Obviously, the God and Magog war is fought at the end of the Millennium, when Satan is released again.
The fascinating thing I see here is that when the rebellion happens each time the same geographical area is involved. (Something in the water?) I do think that is where the confusion lies.
Thanks,
bj
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RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? - 7/3/2009 3:00:56 AM
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yohannan
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Hi deborlie!
Thank you. Also, there is the gog and Magog war of the north and the south coming to attack the false prophet during the period just prior to the 3 1/2 years of the trial of the implementation of the mark of the number of his name as restricted commerce worship giving honor to the former beast who has ten worlwide leaders who arise over the whole earth; of whom three are subdued as written to make eight. For the beast from the earth is an eighth king who belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction as written; who for a time times and half a time will receive the worldwide Empire leadership along with the beast from the sea.
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According to my Bible.....(don't know about yours.....)
Rev. 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20. Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
3. and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
Rev 20:7 (My Bible states: Satanic Rebellion Crushed. (Ezek. 38; 39)
Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison.
8. and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth,
Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
9. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. (I take this to mean there was no war here.)
10. The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are.............
So the AC couldn't be involved with the war of Gog and Magog....he was in the lake of fire all this time. So back to square one.
There may be wars and rumors of wars before the appearance of the AC , but the war of Armageddon is fought (I figure the in last half of the tribulation, God's wrath. Satan will also upgrade his vengeance on the people at this time too.)
Obviously, the God and Magog war is fought at the end of the Millennium, when Satan is released again.
The fascinating thing I see here is that when the rebellion happens each time the same geographical area is involved. (Something in the water?) I do think that is where the confusion lies.
Thanks,
bj
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RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? - 7/4/2009 10:32:22 PM
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deborlie
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Hi yohannan,
Scripture please, so I can see where you are coming from???
These wars are stimulated from the same areas on earth but they are not both named Gog and Magog wars. Armageddon is the first war, that ends with Christ's return to earth on the Mount of Olives.
The Gog and Magog war comes after Satan's release from his 1000 years of imprisonment. Ezekiel 38 and 39 describes this war.
Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, (These names are the names of the sons of Jepatha, Noah's son. I find this interesting.)
Persia(Iran), Ethiopia, and Libya are with them . As are Gomer and the house of Togarmah(Turkey) from the far north. These certainly sound familiar today, don't they.
Who is Gog? He is not the antiChrist, because he is suffering in the lake of fire at this time, according to Revelation.
This is as I read it. I still have an open mind, I could be misunderstanding you.
bj
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RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? - 7/4/2009 11:56:03 PM
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It is interesting that the description of the God Magog conflict occurs before the description of the rebuilt Jewish Temple in Chapter 40.
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RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? - 7/5/2009 9:56:52 AM
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deborlie
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Chapter 40 of what? Ezekiel?
Could Ezekiel's vision be the temple made without hands. (human hands)? The same one as described in Rev. 21:9 and on?
That would explain why the Gog Magog war happened prior to the 'rebuilding'.
My bible (not my reading) suggest this anyway.
bj
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