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yzf-r1 -> The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/23/2009 12:40:45 PM)
Midpoint of Daniel's 70th Week and Conclusion of the 1.000 Year reign of Christ is my view. These wars are distinct from Armageddon, which occurs at the conclusion of Daniel's 70th Week (the conclusion of the Great Tribulation) One of the better links I've seen on the topic http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/BibleStudy_Ezekiel3839.htm

bob97 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/23/2009 3:10:14 PM)
I think the Gog Magog will bring the AC into power and it will occur at the beginning of the week. In other words anytime now. I think the event will begin when Israel goes against Iran which will provoke the Muslin world to attack Israel. Many see this event occurring within the next 12 months. Bob

Montana Marv -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/23/2009 6:50:47 PM)
I agree with Bob here, prior to the onset of the 70th week. Another factor to consider, when does the USA withdraw from Iraq or withdraw enough to create a vacuum which will allow Russia the freedom to go through Iraq. In Christ Montana Marv

navyblueret -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/23/2009 8:15:59 PM)
Perchance it will be real a short time after Israel attacks Iran, bombs the Nuc sites, but looses over half of their aircraft, and crews in the action. Russia, having the defense treaty, and the surrounding Arab nations, having this uncontrollable hatred for Israel, team up, quickly, before anyone can help Israel recover enough strangth to defend, and with big SE grins on their faces, mass, and attack. No great plan, no real logic, except that Israel is extremely weak. As Bob says, SOON, me thinks me hearties. Presuming that most of the viewers are in USA, I say: If we do not have a Rapture, which would cripple this nation, We can expect, either an EMP detonation, or an all-out surprise Nuc attack. Take your pick. Many Many will die, be it fast (Nuc style), or slow (starve style). Yee-Haa, if I am here, Imma gonna loose weight. (Bad Joke, sorry). Am I right, am I wrong, (shrug) who cares, I am living Prophetic History, and I am going home, one way or the other, be it very soon, or in-a-few. In Messiah. Arley This old war horse understands the hazard of the logistics of that long of a flight, without American tankers. Shame on US (both meanings)!

bob97 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/23/2009 8:55:14 PM)
quote: Am I right, am I wrong, (shrug) who cares, I am living Prophetic History, and I am going home, one way or the other, be it very soon, or in-a-few. You're right Arley...why worry because there is nothing we can do about it except trust in God. Bob

dantheman688 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/24/2009 7:47:22 AM)
So Bob and Arley you guys say that Gog and Magog will happen first then the Antichrist will come into power to establish a 7 year peace treaty? What will happen during that first 3.5 years? In the middle? And at the end of 7 years? Dan

navyblueret -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/24/2009 9:44:10 AM)
Shalom, Dan. Can a Nation be made in a day? Yes, Israel. Can a world-wide-government be made in months? Probably, as we may well be watching it come to pass, as we try to locate the who what when where and why. If we watch, we will see much. Beginning with the Raptrue, Gog war, and the Treaty, and through the first half (3.5 years). Then, the middle. B O O M ! All sorts of things. 'Trumpets' blowing, people being condemned to death for their beliefs (Judaism, Christianity, and other non One-World-Church beliefs). Revelation to John covers the high points, and IMO many many lower and yet very destructive points. The end will come with a C R U N C H ! With the word, Jesus crushes the warring mortals, and locks up Satan. After the end: Judgment of the Church for 'gain' and for 'loss.' Millennium starts. And boy oh boy, did I leave a bunch out. B U T, I am about to leave to go sing my praises, Corperate my prayer with others, Study His word, and be taught by the Minister. Joyous DAY. And, of course, honor our fallen hero's who have kept us free until the present, which if it keeps going, we will soon lose, but as God Wills, not us. In Messiah. Arley Pray for Israel, and include USA.

bob97 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/24/2009 10:11:53 AM)
quote: So Bob and Arley you guys say that Gog and Magog will happen first then the Antichrist will come into power to establish a 7 year peace treaty? What will happen during that first 3.5 years? In the middle? And at the end of 7 years? Dan As Arley says...several things. We'll see the end of the war and the AC will bring the parties together in a false peace but other than that I think we'll see mostly what we see today; turmoil. So in reality it will probably seem almost normal to the secular world. But there will be differences for those who know what to look for. We will see the those who follow Christ being marginalized and persecution because we don’t fall into step and we’ll see the development of world government and a world religion. Bob

navyblueret -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/24/2009 5:10:05 PM)
Bob, Shalom. May I add something: This deception will be so smoothly accomplished, that even the 'elect,' if it were possible, could be deceived. I read that somewhere [;)] . We, students, may see the hammer coming, but our public voice will be so controlled, few will hear, and fewer will accept our words (just in case God decides not to come take me home until I loose some weight)[:D] In Messiah. Arley

MidnightWatcher -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/25/2009 9:47:44 PM)
Joel's Trumpet offers an excellent summary of when the Gog & Magog battle takes place here (to which I agree): http://www.joelstrumpet.com/?p=1973

bob97 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/25/2009 10:44:35 PM)
MidnightWatcher...the Antichrist does not lead the Gog Magog war against Israel...he is the one that brings about a peace after it is over...a false peace that will be broken at the middle of the week. The AC will be at the front of the second major battle at Armageddon when the armies of the world go against Jesus Christ and the saints at the second coming. Bob

MidnightWatcher -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/26/2009 5:48:54 PM)
Hi Bob, thanks for the input. I have to say though after much, much study I have come to the same conclusion already that Joel Richardson has came to. Did you get a chance to read through the points he posted?

yzf-r1 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/26/2009 7:12:21 PM)
While there will be a time of war prior to Daniel's 70th Week, it cannot be the Gog-Magog conflict of Ezekiel 38, since Israel is living in peace and security "without walls and gates and bars" at that time. That certainly is not now (or 12 months from now)!

yzf-r1 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/26/2009 7:14:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bob97 MidnightWatcher...the Antichrist does not lead the Gog Magog war against Israel...he is the one that brings about a peace after it is over No, BEFORE. Ezekiel 38 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. You will say, "I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land." Also, the sequence of Daniel 11 and 12 clearly shows that this conflict (which initiates the Great Tribulation) will occur after the antichrist has been revealed, established pseudo peace, and "distributed the land at a price" The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his fathers he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price. At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. ---- At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then...Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?" The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.

yohannan -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/27/2009 3:05:10 AM)
Hi bob. The 10 leaders who confirm the covenant of the restricted commerce of worship of the false prophet whose names are stored numerically as 3 numbers; first, middle, last; (666) will be trampling the city for 42 months as the nations of the gentiles as written. Those of some who had worked peace among Israel interests and Christian as Prophesied as assylum time periods will ask if they are going to there because of money is in the Prophecy. Rosh means the color red for blood. (remember blood for Rosh HaShana) Edom means red. Ammon is the prominent 10 horns or 10 leaders. Moab is where Moses was gathered and what hill did Elijah pray for rain and return to entreat The Lord for raptura? These can be interpreted as Gog for the false prophet and Magog for the Babylon the great city and those who are influenced into her drunkeness. Drunk on the blood of the believers is the prostitute who sits on many waters, peoples, nations, tribes, and languages. Because this is an abominable deed in fulfillment of the fifth seal of revelation time of the reaching of the fullness of the Martyrdom events until those who were to be killed for faith had reached their full measure. When sin begins to bear its fruits and they become ripe, the full measure of the punishment will be issued forth as written as trumpets and bowls. Thus, I do not believe that these are written at peace with Israel for they trample judea in war for 42 months. quote: ORIGINAL: bob97 MidnightWatcher...the Antichrist does not lead the Gog Magog war against Israel...he is the one that brings about a peace after it is over...a false peace that will be broken at the middle of the week. The AC will be at the front of the second major battle at Armageddon when the armies of the world go against Jesus Christ and the saints at the second coming. Bob

Montana Marv -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/27/2009 10:12:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yzf-r1 quote: ORIGINAL: bob97 MidnightWatcher...the Antichrist does not lead the Gog Magog war against Israel...he is the one that brings about a peace after it is over No, BEFORE. Ezekiel 38 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. You will say, "I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land." Also, the sequence of Daniel 11 and 12 clearly shows that this conflict (which initiates the Great Tribulation) will occur after the antichrist has been revealed, established pseudo peace, and "distributed the land at a price" The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his fathers he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price. At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. ---- At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then...Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?" The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed. Yzf-r1 If you look at your quote from Dan 11:36-45 and a little more - The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard of things against the God of gods (look here at the word unheard of things about God; Satan would be the only one to be able to do this, for he has been in Gods presence). He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed (the time of wrath is complete - this does not occur until near the end of the Tribulation), for what has been determined must take place. He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all (Compare this with Matt 4:8,9 - Again the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. All of this I will give you, he said if you will bow down and worship me). Instead of them he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his fathers he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a mighty god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price (Compare this to Rev 17:12 - The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast). At the time of the end (just prior to Armageddon) the king of the south will engage him in battle and the king of the north will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. He will also invade the beautiful land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand (look at Matt 24:15,16 - so when you see standing in the holy place the A/D spoken of by the prophet Daniel - let the reader understand - then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. These countries are the only places that will keep those of Israel safe during the last 3 1/2 years). He will come to his end, and no one will help him. I believe that Daniel 11:36-45 is more descriptive of Satan and not the A/C. For the A/C is only in control for 42 months as Rev 13:5 suggests. Satan is the one in control of the second 42 month period. This seems to be what Dan 11:36-45 is dealing with. In Christ Montana Marv

yzf-r1 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/27/2009 11:20:32 AM)
No question "the king" in Daniel 11 is a human ruler, just as the other rulers in previous chapters (associated with previous empires) were human. Satan does not possess the antichrist until the midpoint of Daniel's 70th Week, when he and the other fallen angels are booted out heaven and come down to earth having "great wrath". This is when all hell literally breaks loose on earth. The first 3-1/2 years is the realtive calm before the storm, Israel is living at peace and prosperous, secured by the agreement the Antichrist and the False Prophet set up. When "the king of the north and the king of the south" attack the armies of the antichrist, that is the MIDPOINT, which corresponds to the desolation of the temple, and starts thre clock ticking on the last 3-1/2 years, known as the Great Tribulation, clear from Daniel 12. Your're force fitting an incorrect interpretation to this.

yzf-r1 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/27/2009 11:28:08 AM)
Let me add this, I used to believe there was only one major battle during Daniel's 70th Week as well: Armageddon. But after carefully reading the prophecies of Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelation, it's clear there are two great battles, and two massive earthquakes. Armageddon being even worse than the "Gog-Magog" war, and a final earthquake that quite literally levels everything on the planet, on a scale unimaginable in today's terms/experience. I think a good synopsis of the Great Tribulation would be, just when you think it can't possibly get any worse, it does.

yohannan -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/28/2009 12:50:26 AM)
I believe that the Great distress and troubles or Tribulation that had never before happened in the history of the world are the Decreed Ordinance Issuances of the trumpets and bowls Judgment Decisions when Michael arises. The tribulation period of time of gog and Magog war on the people of God worldwide and on Israel through trampling Judea, will last for 44 1/2 months or 1335 days or 3 17/24 years. The Great Tribulation Judgments will last 1185 plus 30 days for the leap year in the calendar of Moses or 1215 days. At seventh seal trumpet five it will last for five months. Also, the Armageddon war may last some time at the sixth seal. quote: ORIGINAL: yzf-r1 Let me add this, I used to believe there was only one major battle during Daniel's 70th Week as well: Armageddon. But after carefully reading the prophecies of Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelation, it's clear there are two great battles, and two massive earthquakes. Armageddon being even worse than the "Gog-Magog" war, and a final earthquake that quite literally levels everything on the planet, on a scale unimaginable in today's terms/experience. I think a good synopsis of the Great Tribulation would be, just when you think it can't possibly get any worse, it does.

Montana Marv -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (5/28/2009 10:44:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lelseep I believe that the Great distress and troubles or Tribulation that had never before happened in the history of the world are the Decreed Ordinance Issuances of the trumpets and bowls Judgment Decisions when Michael arises. The tribulation period of time of gog and Magog war on the people of God worldwide and on Israel through trampling Judea, will last for 44 1/2 months or 1335 days or 3 17/24 years. The Great Tribulation Judgments will last 1185 plus 30 days for the leap year in the calendar of Moses or 1215 days. The Armageddon war may last some time. quote: ORIGINAL: yzf-r1 Let me add this, I used to believe there was only one major battle during Daniel's 70th Week as well: Armageddon. But after carefully reading the prophecies of Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelation, it's clear there are two great battles, and two massive earthquakes. Armageddon being even worse than the "Gog-Magog" war, and a final earthquake that quite literally levels everything on the planet, on a scale unimaginable in today's terms/experience. I think a good synopsis of the Great Tribulation would be, just when you think it can't possibly get any worse, it does. lelseep You have been one of the very, very few to date, that I have seen, to posted that Armageddon will not be a short war. It is my belief that this war against Christ will last 30 days. Dan 12:11 - The 1,290 days following the A/D (30 days following the end of the Tribulation - 70th week of Daniel). v.12 - Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. (plus another 45 days) This may correspond to the birds of the air eating the flesh of man and horses in Rev 19:17,18. Then the second coming of Christ for those who remain alive(the Blessed from above) to see Him (Rev 1:7 every eye will see Him). In Christ Montana Marv

yohannan -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (6/3/2009 9:54:17 PM)
The nation Israel recovering from war is written; the gog and magog war where he prevails after the wirlwind of the nations comes up to oppose him (the king of the North may signify The Lord's drawing to arms in general and the king can also be read to signify the nations on earth; thus this may signify not any particular national alliance constructs as we know them for all of the Empires and nations are threatened by gog to lose their Reigns; for the decision will be given to the false prophet and to 10 leaders over the whole world as written; it can be read with spiritual understanding interpretation); thus at that time the covenant of the mark of the number of the name of the false prophet will be implemented after he confirms the covenant with these ten leaders. These ten leaders could even be an alliance of leaders who had gathered to make war with him at first, we are not told in Scripture necessarily some things. Then he will go to war for 42 months with Judea and they will attempt to prevail against Israel and will find Testimony given by The Chosen Firstfruits as written and the Two Witnesses. For the gog and Magog war time period may be up until or immediately preceeding the next American election date and in time for the new moon Sabbaths. quote: ORIGINAL: bob97 I think the Gog Magog will bring the AC into power and it will occur at the beginning of the week. In other words anytime now. I think the event will begin when Israel goes against Iran which will provoke the Muslin world to attack Israel. Many see this event occurring within the next 12 months. Bob

yzf-r1 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (6/3/2009 10:05:30 PM)
As usual, a whole lot of random speculation in the above posts, with very little scriptural basis.

Nobody1 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (6/9/2009 10:28:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yzf-r1 Midpoint of Daniel's 70th Week and Conclusion of the 1.000 Year reign of Christ is my view. These wars are distinct from Armageddon, which occurs at the conclusion of Daniel's 70th Week (the conclusion of the Great Tribulation) One of the better links I've seen on the topic http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/BibleStudy_Ezekiel3839.htm No. After the Thousand Years are over, the Devil is let loose to lead Gog and Magog to their destruction, so all are brought to God. It says so plainly in Revelation.

yzf-r1 -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (6/11/2009 12:44:52 AM)
Gog and Magog are general terms. There is no possible way to put Ezekiel 38 at the end of the 1,000 years. Your post is completely ignorant of the passage in question.

yohannan -> RE: The Gog-Magog Wars....When? (6/23/2009 4:30:56 AM)
Regarding the Iran situation presently, there is that the people had a major showing for the other leader. It would be such a shame if one religious leader, though not to be disrespected, who pulled for the other leader in the political realm was 'unknowingly' adding to the support of a concern that may cause some concern with interested peoples over the stability of the situation. In a time when concessions have been worked for and made for the eastern Jerusalem banner to be flown as dual Capital City for the Palesinians who have major presence in that area to be overlooked as a supported people to just do some baton waving. One cannot, in this area, hope to not affect this very people who are inter dispersed among the Israeliis by use of force in this manner. This City is a Holy City and one could not hope to be supporting these who live there by such strong use of force in an uncontrolled and undisciplined manner. Also, one faces the reality of the endangerment of ones own peoples; which we see these who live in Iran were supportive of peaceable measures. One might propose that 'someones' propped this leader up over these people to create such a false situation. Written is it in the Prophets how Egypt and Israel propped up leadership that were not God's appointed choices. This creates the spiritual imbalance and, in this case, is only useful for selling products of weaponry to Iran through other banner nation states without regards to the situation that is created by affirming the installed leader who was given that original deal. Also, I think that I heard that there is a Chinese satellite for communications in orbit over just such a state. One wonders what kind of deal would make ones oil deal cheaper when arms were then sold back to them. This commerce concern is then like Iraq where it was without regard to how these weapons would be used in the chemical warfare sales, yet was seemingly useful to gain advantage for oil and get the money back for such enablings. This situation is falsely inflated for fear mongering tactics over peoples who had not the democratic say over such installed dictatorial leaderships. This the political lording it over peoples and nations for money and then using the other big sticks to come in and play 'good cop'. Woe to Shepherds who fed only themselves and care nothing about the flock is written. quote: ORIGINAL: navyblueret Perchance it will be real a short time after Israel attacks Iran, bombs the Nuc sites, but looses over half of their aircraft, and crews in the action. Russia, having the defense treaty, and the surrounding Arab nations, having this uncontrollable hatred for Israel, team up, quickly, before anyone can help Israel recover enough strangth to defend, and with big SE grins on their faces, mass, and attack. No great plan, no real logic, except that Israel is extremely weak. As Bob says, SOON, me thinks me hearties. Presuming that most of the viewers are in USA, I say: If we do not have a Rapture, which would cripple this nation, We can expect, either an EMP detonation, or an all-out surprise Nuc attack. Take your pick. Many Many will die, be it fast (Nuc style), or slow (starve style). Yee-Haa, if I am here, Imma gonna loose weight. (Bad Joke, sorry). Am I right, am I wrong, (shrug) who cares, I am living Prophetic History, and I am going home, one way or the other, be it very soon, or in-a-few. In Messiah. Arley This old war horse understands the hazard of the logistics of that long of a flight, without American tankers. Shame on US (both meanings)!

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