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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 6/17/2009 9:35:47 PM
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rayofson
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21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.
This is interesting because I don't see that He commands them to wear clothing, just that he provided it. It seems that God doesn't have a problem with nudity. It is us, who after the fall, have lust and therefore a desire for clothing.
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 6/19/2009 11:26:40 AM
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This is interesting because I don't see that He commands them to wear clothing, just that he provided it. It seems that God doesn't have a problem with nudity. It is us, who after the fall, have lust and therefore a desire for clothing. There were commands for the kind of clothing that the Levitical priests were to wear, including underwear. Also the altars were not to be elevated so that people would not have a free shot of the "privates" of the priests.
Exo 20:26 'And you shall not go up by steps to My altar, so that your nakedness will not be exposed on it.'
Lev 6:10 'The priest is to put on his linen robe, and he shall put on undergarments next to his flesh; and he shall take up the ashes to which the fire reduces the burnt offering on the altar and place them beside the altar.
Lev 16:4 "He shall put on the holy linen tunic, and the linen undergarments shall be next to his body, and he shall be girded with the linen sash and attired with the linen turban (these are holy garments). Then he shall bathe his body in water and put them on.
No distractions during worship, perhaps?
I do agree though. Other than the specifics listed for priests, I see no other command to wear clothes. There is the "do not uncover the nakedness of ____" in Leviticus 18 and 20 which is a euphemistic phrase refering to having sex with someone. It again is not so much a prohibition on nudity as it is against having sex with close kin or someone else's spouse.
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 6/22/2009 3:59:32 PM
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hi i'm new here and i have a question that bothers me for a while. i hope i can find some answers here.
i found myself enjoy looking at the pic of "nude art" website. there's no sexual activity shown in those pic, only naked girls in beautiful, natural settings. is it a sin? at first i thought it's a sin of the eyes and blame myself from looking at those. but when i look at those pictures, i found myself only appreciate their beautiful face and figure, but i don't think i have any lustful thoughts (i.e no sexual fantasy between myself and the girl), nor do i have any physical sexual response. so is it still sin?
i'm confused. please help!
Well, you'd be a better man than me if you don't get those "sexual desires" aroused by looking at nude pics - innocent as you say or not. They are still nude pics of nude, naked women and something that I would consider porn (IMO).
Whatever you think I guess. As for me... it's just more potential problems and something to stay away from.
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 7/12/2009 3:58:38 AM
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You will have to be the judge of that because everyone is different. Culture, childhood and religion plays a great role in all of this.
As for me, I was brought up in a very strict Christian home. We were never allowed to see a naked picture/drawing. So in my case, once i saw the nude picture/painting, within a tenth of a second I would reflexively look away from it. I was all set to go to med-school at one time but I realized that I hate naked bodies. Obviously a disqualifying aversion for a physician to have.  Needless to say I stayed out of medicine.
So to answer the OP's question, I would not see the picture of the naked woman long enough to consider it beautiful in the first place. Thus I could not become tempted. Without temptation there is no lust. Without lust a sin can be avoided. Without the sin there is no guilt.
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 7/12/2009 10:05:52 AM
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You will have to be the judge of that because everyone is different. Culture, childhood and religion plays a great role in all of this.
Agreed. I have a friend who is a missionary in the desert of Niger and around there many women walk around bare breasted due to the heat, but will wear a covering around their arms. My friend said one day a man he was counseling came to him with a confession that he was struggling with lust because he say a woman who had exposed her ARMS and he saw them. My friend was thinking "you've got to be kidding me- all these exposed breasts and you are struggling with naked arms!"
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 7/16/2009 6:46:03 AM
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I have a friend who is a missionary in the desert of Niger and around there many women walk around bare breasted due to the heat, but will wear a covering around their arms. My friend said one day a man he was counseling came to him with a confession that he was struggling with lust because he say a woman who had exposed her ARMS and he saw them. My friend was thinking "you've got to be kidding me- all these exposed breasts and you are struggling with naked arms!" So I guess lust is in the eyes of the beholder......
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 7/16/2009 6:53:56 PM
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Well I would not base my whole opinion on just one story. Granted it may take more then just breast to get many men aroused. Women obviously have beautiful bodies, King David was tempted by one. I think that we should appreciate the creator rather then the creature. I guess it has a lot to do with who influences us more, and who do we worship more. Whatever Adam and Eve had before the fall was lost forever. We could never ideally live in a situation where walking around naked in public would be appropriate, unless the weather was just too hot. One Christian woman told me that the Olympics athletes should be naked like in ancient Greece. She even went into detail how men's willies would bounce around when they were running. (Shivers) Some people can just be really creepy about nakedness. I think the Burkah and Hajib has its advantages. We should be more inclined to go that way rather then wanting less clothes or even nakedness. Modesty is a good thing for both men and women. Lets not forget the God that we serve. The Apostle Peter said, "Add to your faith Virtue."
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 7/16/2009 9:34:03 PM
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I think the Burkah and Hajib has its advantages. We should be more inclined to go that way rather then wanting less clothes or even nakedness. Modesty is a good thing for both men and women.
Do you think we should dress like this in the United States or at least in the church?
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 7/17/2009 1:26:29 AM
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hi all,
sorry for not posting reply for so long coz i just recovered the password.
thx for all ur comments. in general, i think the issue circle around lust. i've been thinking, can a man appreciate a pic of naked woman for her beauty without lust? i would think yes, but a poster here told me i'm kidding myself. what's Bible's definition of lust? i found this link as reference (MODERATOR: let me know if it's against the rule to post a link to other web site) http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-lust.html According to the definition there, I do not covet the ladies in the pic. sure, i think they are beautiful. i think their female form captures the essence of beauty. but to think they are beautiful doesn't equal to lustful thoughts right? of course i know those pic will cause someone to lust after them (i.e sexual fantasy); after all, even a clothed woman on the street or at the beach will cause lustful thoughts in some men, but it varies individually, just like the story posted by musicplayer.
another thought: is it part of human's sinful nature to like beautiful things? for example, the forbidden fruit is "pleasant to the eyes". i think it's safe to say both men and women like beautiful things/people. is it wrong?
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 7/17/2009 12:09:26 PM
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Well, if it ain't good to look at, it ain't much of a temptation, now is it?
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 7/31/2009 5:58:44 PM
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ORIGINAL: 2hit6
hi i'm new here and i have a question that bothers me for a while. i hope i can find some answers here.
i found myself enjoy looking at the pic of "nude art" website. there's no sexual activity shown in those pic, only naked girls in beautiful, natural settings. is it a sin? at first i thought it's a sin of the eyes and blame myself from looking at those. but when i look at those pictures, i found myself only appreciate their beautiful face and figure, but i don't think i have any lustful thoughts (i.e no sexual fantasy between myself and the girl), nor do i have any physical sexual response. so is it still sin?
i'm confused. please help!
Thinking about this some more, I have to ask something. Would you appreciate the pictures just as much if the models were not naked? If not I think the answer would be yes, it is lust.
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 8/4/2009 3:46:13 AM
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2hit6
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Thinking about this some more, I have to ask something. Would you appreciate the pictures just as much if the models were not naked? If not I think the answer would be yes, it is lust.
It seems to me you're assuming nudity will lead to lust, whereas clothes women will not. I don't think we can make that assumption. To me, some clothing will lead to lust even more than nudity. In addition, we're talking about photos here, and the context of the photo really affect how nudity is presented and lead to different outcome.
To answer your question, yes I will still enjoy the pictures because the women are beautiful even when they are clothed. But their womanly body, when presented in a non-sexual naked manner, will make the picture much more beautiful.
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 8/6/2009 11:48:10 AM
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My question is, as a man, unless you are STONE COLD DEAD, how is it possible to view photos of naked women and NOT lust after them? I have to respond by saying, you aren't serious, right? I mean, c'mon! Are you SAVED? Is Jesus Christ your Lord? He made it quite clear in Matthew 5:28 that "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
You know very well that you are a dead give-away by the very way you worded this question. The fact that you would even ASK about this tells me you have DOUBTS about this being "OK" for a Christian! And then you end by saying, "I'm confused!" Think about that! The Bible says that "our God is not the author of confusion", so this tells me that you are certainly not being "led by the Spirit of God" (Romans 8:14) in looking at "nude pics of women", which means that what you are doing is SINFUL AND WRONG! And the fact is, YOU KNOW THIS! All you're trying to do is cover up your lust and sinfulness in the guise of, "Just asking" and "It's only ART, not PORN!" Give me a break!
Look, I'm not trying to sound mean or "judgmental", but as one who has "been there, done that", I can tell you for a fact that all your "questioning" about this amounts to is seeking to JUSTIFY SIN! Take it from one who has been HEAVILY involved in the lie of PORN in the past (and I say "past" because God made me FREE after he brought me to REPENTANCE over this wickedness, to HATE IT AS HE DOES and to LOVE HIM MORE, and by his grace, I ain't goin' back! Praise God!) I know that there is NO SUCH THING as a guy looking at "nude pics" of women and NOT lusting! Any guy who says he can do so is LYING! And he's only fooling himself, but he doesn't fool GOD, nor does he fool a brother who KNOWS all too well where he is coming from, and more importantly, where he is GOING! And forget that lame excuse of, "It's not PORN! It's just BEAUTIFUL ART!" Save that junk, OK? That stuff you're viewing is PORN, and you know it! Any photos or "art" depicting women sans clothing is porn! And women who would allow themselves to be photographed or portraited that way are WHORES! Plain and simple! They're BIMBOS who are "sensually senseless"! Any woman who is truly "virtuous and godly", as the Bible commands women to be, will understand that there are certain parts of their anatomy that should ONLY be seen by one man: THEIR HUSBAND, and then ONLY in private! But that's another subject for another forum!
What you are doing is SIN, and it leads to DESTRUCTION! You are only making yourself a slave of your lust and the devil, and so long as you choose to follow such a path, you will NEVER be a valid testimony for Jesus Christ! God doesn't work through FILTHY vessels! Read Job 31:1-12, and then you tell me how you can justify what you're doing? You're cheating God and yourself. Can you honestly see yourself looking at "nude women as beautiful art" WITH JESUS RIGHT THERE? Be honest! Because the fact is, IF you are saved, he IS there...right there in your heart! You know for a fact that what you are doing grieves the Holy Spirit, and gives the devil great cause for rejoicing! Because so long as you choose to fulfil your ungodly lust for FLESH, and live in a CARNAL rather than a SPIRITUAL way, you pose absolutely NO THREAT to the devil whatsoever! Ansd every time you view that trash, Satan LAUGHS at you! Think about that!
Can you see Jesus "admiring" "nude photos" of women??? If you can, you are either NOT SAVED, or severely backslidden! And right now, your mind and heart is so darkened with sin, you can't even figure out "right from wrong" in what is very clearly a BLACK AND WHITE matter! There is no "in between" on this issue! My counsel to you, sir, is PUT AWAY THIS WICKED HABIT! REPENT AND TURN TO CHRIST IN BROKENNESS AND GODLY SORROW over how you are TRAMPLING HIS BLOOD UNDER FOOT! Stop trying to justify what is OBVIOUSLY SINFUL AND WICKED according to scripture! And I leave you with this: In 2 Samuel 11, we have depicted by the Holy Spirit one of the SADDEST stories in scripture. It's about how David "saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon." (vs.2) That sounds JUST LIKE what you're describing that YOU are involved in! Bathsheba wasn't engaging in any "sexual acts" or "lewdness", just an innocent act of "washing herself"! And she was "beautiful to look upon". No "porn queen" here. Just a man's WIFE who didn't have enough sense to make sure that WHERE she was bathing was sufficiently SECLUDED FROM OUTSIDE EYES! (No one ever talks about HER responsibility in what occurred!) But if you know the story, this ended up in a very TRAGIC way that lasted CENTURIES, as David and Bathsheba committed adultery, and then David MURDERED her husband to try and "cover up" his "dirty deed"! The child that resulted from this sinful tryst DIED (killed by the LORD!) and David's family was never the same! His oldest son RAPED his daughter, then his third-born KILLED that boy, then that same man tried to overthrough David, after which that son was killed, and finally, Solomon, following in "Daddy's footsteps" took 700 wives and 300 concubines (David had no less than 10 wives, and at least that many concubines!), which led to his idolatry and the entire kingdom of Israel being DIVIDED AND JUDGED BY GOD! And why? All because one man believed, "IT CAN'T HURT TO LOOK!" Oh yeah? Tell that to David! See if he agrees with you.....NOT! Read Psalm 51!
So, you go right on ahead down your sinful path of denial of what you KNOW is right, and continue to pursue after YOUR LUSTS AND THE FULFILLMENT OF YOUR FLESH! And when you look back, after sin has taken it's course, and you see the ASHES AND RUINS of your "Christian life", you can look at someone else: YOURSELF, right in your mirror, because that's who you will blame for all the misery and heartache you will be experiencing, as well as the chastisement of Almighty God for your sins and wickedness! Do I sound HARD? I intend to! First, because what you are doing displeases God!Because YOU ARE WRONG, and YOU NEED TO REPENT! But also, because I was where you're at right now. And indulging in MY lust cost me MY MARRIAGE AND HOME! So, don't tell me that it's "OK" what you're doing. Stop listening to all the spiritual goofballs who try to tell you there is such a thing as "looking without lust" at naked women. Nonsense! Hogwash! Away with such thinking! God commands you "as obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation [meaning how you LIVE]; Because it is written, Be holy, for I am holy." (1 Peter 1:14-16) You CANNOT "be holy" when your mind and heart is full of IMAGES of naked women!
And that's just it. You are consumed with IMAGES, while God commands,"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven IMAGE" (Exodus 20:4&5) and says you are to be "casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God; And bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ" (2 Corinthians 10:3&4) You are to "be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God." (Romans 12:2) What you are doing is adhering to THE WORLD rather than THE WORD! You need to stop focusing on "naked women" and instead "Turn your eyes upon Jesus, Look full in his wonderful face. And the things of earth will grow strangely dim, In the Light of his glory and grace." As the old hymn says. GET IN THE BOOK, that timeless, always relevant KING JAMES BIBLE (the only 100% accurate version in english!) that you might GET THE BOOK IN YOU! "Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee." (Psalm 119:11) Jesus said, "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God." (Matthew 5:8) Can you honestly say you have a "pure heart" when you're gazing at "nude women"? So long as you SEE THEM, you sure won't SEE GOD! And neither will anyone else....IN YOU! Also, you need to spend LOTS of time in PRAYER! Jesus said, "Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak." (Matthew 26:41) And lastly, get plugged-in to a LOCAL BIBLE BELIEVING SEPERATED SOUL WINNING CHURCH! You need to make yourself ACCOUNTABLE by submitting to the godly authority of a man of God, a PASTOR who loves Jesus Christ and will LOVE YOU enough to "tell it like is", even if it "offends you"! Not a man who'se harsh, but HONEST, who will be "speaking the truth in love" and wants to see you have victory as a Christian! I pray that God will use this to speak to your heart, convict you, and cause you to REPENT AND TURN BACK TO THE LORD! Before it is too late! And I close with this: do you REALLY appreciate what Jesus did, DYING ON THE CROSS AND GIVING HIS VERY LIFE-BLOOD TO SAVE A WRETCH LIKE YOU? How then can you not only commit such wickedness, but "add insult to injury" by seeking to actually JUSTIFY THIS? Please, take heed and repent! God bless you as you OBEY GOD'S WORD!
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 8/6/2009 10:14:39 PM
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2hit6
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My question is...
Thanks for your post - this is what I'm looking for! When I posted this question I prayed to God that "If you don't want me to see these images, please use this forum to let me know your will." I consider your post to be a loud and clear answer to my prayer. Praise the Lord! I will repent to God and pray that He will give me the strength to resist temptation - I know if I fully rely on Him, I can do it.
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But also, because I was where you're at right now. And indulging in MY lust cost me MY MARRIAGE AND HOME!
Mind to share your story?
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RE: is it a sin to appreciate the beauty of naked women - 8/12/2009 4:41:51 AM
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I couldn't "admire" a naked woman without sinning.
No way in the world.
I have enough problems controlling my thoughts around modestly dressed women!
So for me, yes it would be a sin and saying that I was "just admiring" would be justification.
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