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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/12/2009 6:39:28 PM
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The argument is not about demonic forces at work. They are at work. The argument is how do we respond as believers who love Jesus.
I have been a part of too many fellowships that have done evil to people in their fellowship all because of this sort of thing---you can call in a jezebel spirit but I call it a judging spirit, an unrighteous judging spirit.
I have asked leaders to read the story of the offensive altar in Joshua 22. I have read the story of the offensive altar in a church that was filled with carnality. Is anyone listening? Do we hear what God is saying, what God is teaching us through this beautiful illustration?
Will we stop judging by hearsay? Will we go to those we are commanded to love and talk to them? Will we see our own partiality, our judging spirit that takes vengeance on others? Will we love them as Jesus loves us?
Will we stop believing and choosing to believe lies and instead seek truth?
I don't know about you but I choose truth. It is the way of Christ.
I choose Christ.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/12/2009 8:24:24 PM
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I find it interesting the contention that this subject brings in a forum filled with Christians. (Luke 9:55) But He turned and rebuked them, and said," You do not know what manner of spirit you are of.(1John 4:1) Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirit, whether they are of God; because many fales prophets (teachers) have gone out into the world. TEST WHAT?
(Mattheew 10:1) He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out. Jesus gave us power over what? If there not here why do we need power over them.
And what about (1Timothy 4:1) Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. WOW, how did we miss that?
I believe this latter time is now, but thats my opinon, but you cant prove me wrong. Again I will say this, satan is not after what he already has, but what he does not have. Thats you, IF your born again and he will lie, cheat and kill to get you. The only way to keep that from happening is to fight the good fight. And that is the good fight of Faith. Stay in the word, daily not just on sunday mornings. And not to trust in man but only the Helper, the Holy spirit which will TEACH you ALL THINGS, and bring you in remembrance all things Jesus said to us. You probally do not all agree with me, but I encourage you all to read the word of God which can not be debated. May God bless us all.
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But we should make sure the thing we are testing and rebuking is an actual spiritual being. Else we will wind up looking quite foolish. The so-called Jezebel spirit (meaning demon) is but one example.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/12/2009 8:28:55 PM
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I was addressing the lukewarm.
I'm going to assume you are addressing me. I guess I'm 'Mr. Lukewarm' here... 
If you read my posts I never said there were no evil spirits. What I did state is that too many times people claim other's have the 'spirit of XXX' when in fact it is just common sin ~ a product of human nature.
I do believe in spiritual warfare, I do believe we are to 'test the spirits' like the verses you posted.
My statement concerning this 'Jezebel spirit' topic is that, unfortunately, people give the devil credit where mankind only creates the problems themselves.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/12/2009 8:34:23 PM
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Something that I've noticed in my 42 years of being redeemed by the blood of the Lamb is that believers only require demons to be exorcized or detached in "certain" Penetcostal churches. It's always struck me as curious.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was curious about that...
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/13/2009 4:41:53 PM
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I'm going to assume you are addressing me. I guess I'm 'Mr. Lukewarm' here...
Nope not you. The one's that are falling under convection of the subject, thats the one's. And I do agree with brother Shane on the subject of the tread. However I have heard several Pastor's using this term and wanted an opinion one the subject. Real or Not? I also believe its more on the snake handlers line of doctrine. (Luke 17:1) sums up some of the answers though. and I would like to appoligize to any who I have offended.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/13/2009 7:53:03 PM
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I would like to appoligize to any who I have offended.
I don't think you have offended anyone, after all, we were just debating/discussing an issue that concerns churches across the world.
It has been an interesting discussion though.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/13/2009 7:54:28 PM
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Nope not you.
Whew! I'm glad of that! 
Even it it was, that's alright. That is all a part of dicussion right..?
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/13/2009 11:50:09 PM
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You are right, it has been a very interesting topic.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/14/2009 5:32:01 PM
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I'm going to assume you are addressing me. I guess I'm 'Mr. Lukewarm' here...
Nope not you. The one's that are falling under convection of the subject, thats the one's. And I do agree with brother Shane on the subject of the tread. However I have heard several Pastor's using this term and wanted an opinion one the subject. Real or Not? I also believe its more on the snake handlers line of doctrine. (Luke 17:1) sums up some of the answers though. and I would like to apologize to any who I have offended.
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The one's that are falling under convection of the subject, that’s the one.
From what I have read in short one has not offered any viable scripture in the first place to convict anything,
Jezebel is a spirit…
But it seems one is asking ... "if it’s real or not" ... with a preconceived belief that it’s a snake handler’s line of doctrine...
What is a snake handler’s doctrine… ?
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/14/2009 5:59:23 PM
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What is a snake handler’s doctrine… ?
Well that doctrine has more Scripture than the Jezebel thingy;
(Mar 16:18) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
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(Luk 10:19) Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Thanks
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/14/2009 9:02:46 PM
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I never thought this subject would get this kind of attention. Just crazy.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/14/2009 11:15:42 PM
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I never thought this subject would get this kind of attention. Just crazy.
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I just recently watched two different churches torn apart by what I believe to be a Jezebel spirit attacking the leadership. Just wondering how to deal with this bad spirit? And is there any other attacks that or taking place in other churches?
You asked Just wondering how to deal with this bad spirit?
One can only deal with it once they know what it is
Let me show a little of what the scripture shows us
….From what I gathered from the internet by taking CherishedByGod’s advice…. and knowing that certain spirits are princes or principalities that take ownership over certain areas ...or even over certain cultures…
I was shown a place in the Bible where I believe could shed some light on a spirit of Jezebel by the location and what was done or spoken by Jesus in the example in like manner
Crowds by the Sea
3:7 Then 17 Jesus went away with his disciples to the sea, and a great multitude from Galilee followed him. 18 And from Judea, 3:8 Jerusalem, 19 Idumea, beyond the Jordan River, 20 and around Tyre 21 and Sidon 22 a great multitude came to him when they heard about the things he had done. 3:9 Because of the crowd, he told his disciples to have a small boat ready for him so the crowd 23 would not press toward him. 3:10 For he had healed many, so that all who were afflicted with diseases pressed toward him in order to touch him. 3:11 And whenever the unclean spirits 24 saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.” 3:12 But 25 he sternly ordered them not to make him known. 26
in those verses above Jesus preached in the area in and around “Tyre and Sidon”
So right there we have an indication or a location … a principality,,, to when the original example was first given to us in the OT
Then …. we see certain people who were afflicted with diseases and who pressed toward him in order to touch him.
AND it is pointed out that ……….whenever “the unclean” spirits saw him,
……they fell down before him…. and cried out, “You are the Son of God.”
So Jesus in reply…. as the scripture points out….. He replied by speaking to these unclean spirits sternly AND “ordered them”… not to make him known
By any account that is called a command….
And the reason why He did that.... is because NO ONE calls Jesus Lord… but by the HS … and the HS is not unclean… as mentioned.
The first rule of thumb is to pay attention
He replied to these “unclean spirits sternly”….AND “commanded them”…
Now here is the KEY =……He commanded them…. Not… to make him known = to be quite.
SO to be consistent with these unclean spirits Jesus addressed and commanded them in the location mentioned as in the area in or around “Tyre and Sidon”
We can see that an attribute of a Jezebel spirit has been ordained or commanded not to make him (Jesus) known…
And simply by definition…. what is written in the OT: that Jezebel “killed the prophets” of God; and in turn “caused the nation”… of Israel to worship Idols ….. Is no different then the command given to it
So Jesus gave us a picture or at least “one” of the attributes of a Jezebel spirit; or those in the influences thereof…. by definition; these are commanded not to make Jesus known…
.... Therefore how that reiterates when Church folk get caught up in this... is no different than Jezebel “killing a prophet” of God; and causing them to worship Idols,
…. therefore in like manner a Church or person who does not make Jesus known…or a government who makes laws in like manner…BOTH express by the command at least 1 attribute of the spirit of Jezebel,
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Just wondering how to deal with this bad spirit?
I can only speak of what I did when confronted…
Just leave it alone... one just walks away = walks out, or if it is made know by the HS don’t let whosoever into your affairs from that day forward
... because we shouldn’t really be taunting or playing around with a spirit that has been given a direct command from God not to make him known… whereby the result in turn causes it to kill a prophet” of God (spiritually); and causes them to worship Idols instead 
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/14/2009 11:35:43 PM
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I still don't understand how Jezebel, wife of the king of Israel, dead and gone these past 3000 years (or so) is supposedly now accounted to be a demon of power and a particular domain. There is no theological basis for such a supposed transformation.
There are demons. There is temptation. Jezebel, a woman, was tempted to idolotry and immorality, chose it, and promoted it through the power of her politcal position-by-marriage. Perhaps some demon(s) was/were involved in that series of events.
I still see no basis of making that somehow a valid or relvant comparison to most present day situations of Church conflict. There are very few situations of anybody actively and openly promoting a life of idolotry or sexual immorality. Yet this comparison is made in all sorts of situations that bear no resemblance to that sort of thing.
As for the speculation that it just might be somehow the same particular demon being involved in some present day trouble -- that's really quite silly dabbling in something that is beyond God's revelation regarding the spiritual realms. There is no reason and no benefit to such tales -- and there is potential for harm.
We must reject both (1) the vocabulary-as-comparison use of the term 'a Jezebel spirit' as well as (2) the speculation about which demon is up to what, naming a 'Jezebel spirit' as the actual instigator of any event.
Jezebel is not a spirit. She was a woman. If we must make comparisons to her situation and behaviour, let us be (firstly) accurate in our application to situations of promotion of either sexual immorality or idolotry, and (secondly) clear, and just go to the trouble of saying the whole sentence, "I think that what's going on here is similar to what Jezebel was doing in ancient Israel, and I think we should read through that narritve to gain insight into our own situation."
If we encounter temptation (or see others fall to it) and discern it to be, in some part, the active instigation of an evil spirit, the last thing we should be doing is stopping to figure out which one we think it might be, so that we can call it by the right name. We are not pagans to think there is power over some-such like that by knowing its name. We know the only name that counts, and we do battle in Jesus' name in the power of His blood and righteousness.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/14/2009 11:55:51 PM
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AMAZING post!
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/14/2009 11:56:55 PM
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I had never heard the phrase "Jezebel Spirit" until Crosswalk. Where did it originate? Who first started using it?
You're very blessed then.. because it is a widely used term (among other related ones) at Word of Faith/Latter Rain type church circles. Books, seminars, TV specials, etc.. have all been done with that title and or theme.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/15/2009 12:04:22 AM
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So who first started it? Does anyone know? It's silly, really.
False teacher and false prophet John Paul Jackson sure made it popular with his book on the subject.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/15/2009 8:05:23 AM
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Hopefully I'm going to answer several questions and comments at the same time w/ this post.
1) Yes, there is a Jezebel spirit and yes it is a spirit of rebellion (I don't know who this John Paul whateverhisface is and don't care to know). This spirit is named in Revelation 2:18-29. The name Jezebel in this passage is not the name of the actual person but the type of spirit that was driving this person. John the Revelator was referencing the original Jezebel from the Old Testament and the type of attitude / spirit she had (rebellion).
2) No, this terminology is not derogatory towards women (or shouldn't be used that way anyway). Any one, male and female alike can have a rebellious spirit.
3) Yes, there are spirits that Satan has delegated power over specific types of things/sins (i.e. lust, greed, gluttony, pride, rebellion, etc.). This comes from Ephesians 6:11 - 12. If you study (note that I didn't use the word read) this passage you will find that Paul was giving "rank and file" to Satan's forces/army (I just did a major study involving this specific topic for my middle-agers Sunday School class). Within the lowest rank (spiritual wickedness in high places) is what we in modern times would call "special forces". For Biblical reference you can read I Kings 22: 20 - 23 (logical reasoning would say that since neither God nor His angels can lie that this was a demonic spirit of deceit that God had allowed to unleash its power on the kings prophets).
I will be the first to tell you when someone begins using their own theology to take it with a grain of salt no matter how much since it makes...with that said, in my own theology (I can't reference this in the Bible) I do not believe that these spirits are capable of just pouncing on a Child of God. I believe that when we succumb to our own lusts and whims that we begin to give these spirits a foothold in our life. Example - The first time that we look upon someone other than our spouse to lust is not a demonic spirit it is our own natural desires (we are still flesh and blood...it happens), it's when we begin to do this over and over again and begin to entertain these thoughts and desires that we allow the spirit of lust to gain access into our life and begin to take control. These are the strongholds that II Corinthians 10: 3 - 5 is speaking of.
I sincerely hope this has been helpful,
Yours truly,
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/15/2009 8:31:35 AM
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Yes, I know...this is a reply to my own post...it is a little unorthodox isn't it.
In regards to my last statement....Please be careful should you choose to study these areas that I mentioned. These areas deal specifically with satanic forces and you will be exposing yourself to an attack from hell like you have never faced...if you are not spiritually prepared for this then don't do it.
Satan does not like to be exposed. He likes to work in obscurity. The greatest deception that he has cast on the world and peoples minds is that he has no power at all or that he doesn't even exist.
The greatest advantage any force can have is the cover of darkness...if you don't know the enemy is at the gates then you won't be ready when he attacks.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/15/2009 8:46:19 AM
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I had never heard the phrase "Jezebel Spirit" until Crosswalk. Where did it originate? Who first started using it? ...it is a widely used term (among other related ones) at Word of Faith/Latter Rain type church circles. Books, seminars, TV specials, etc.. have all been done with that title and or theme. And if you read the books and their description of symptoms, they are the worst offenders.
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