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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/16/2009 3:29:08 PM
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bolt.
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So I guess
Exactly.
Me, I don't bother guessing. The better course is to take the text as truth at face value, and keep speculation and guesswork in the wings where it belongs.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/16/2009 9:06:19 PM
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Well, if we are discussing the OP from a Biblical perspective, which assumption I am operating with, I see no reason to bring up the TOS....if you feel you have been personally insulted or attacked, perhaps you should report it.
Surely you realize that if yout write something on a thread, someone may disagree or question you on it. That, does not qualify for a violation of the TOS.
Are you saying that as a moderator? Or as someone who read my comments to someone questioning my faith and chose to respond to what I said to them? Not that I care if someone agrees with me or not...but thanks for the advice.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/23/2009 10:36:32 AM
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/24/2009 8:35:02 PM
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I thought it best to place this article in this thread as it seems to go along with the topic.
CHURCH 'EXCORCISES SPIRIT OF HOMOSEXUALITY
Now, I in no way want this to be disscussed as a 'gay' issue ~ there is a thread for that elsewhere.
As some believe there is a 'spirit of jezebel,' can this be classified as a 'spirit of XXX' or is it just another case of over zealousness..?
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/24/2009 10:18:12 PM
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Wow, what a video! Makes me wonder why they would not answer press if they believe in what they are doing. So I guess thier is a bad spirit for everything. That should answer alot of questions on this subject. Hmmm!!! Spirit of computer addiction..
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/25/2009 7:27:27 AM
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ORIGINAL: ironsharpensiron
I thought it best to place this article in this thread as it seems to go along with the topic.
CHURCH 'EXCORCISES SPIRIT OF HOMOSEXUALITY
Now, I in no way want this to be disscussed as a 'gay' issue ~ there is a thread for that elsewhere.
As some believe there is a 'spirit of jezebel,' can this be classified as a 'spirit of XXX' or is it just another case of over zealousness..?
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As some believe there is a 'spirit of jezebel,' can this be classified as a 'spirit of XXX'
Actually there is only 1..
There are different outcomes which are the fruits thereof that are in like manner according to her.. Prophesying... but the there is only one “Jezebel... for the lack of a better word .... There is only 1 that draws one to commit..
There is no such thing as a 'spirit of XXX'
Look at it in the same light as the Helper in whom there is only 1.. and he hears (from God) he speaks so as to conform us in the image of Christ... therefore the work thereof draws one to Christ...
The spirit of Jezebel... draws one in like manner ... to conform one into an image according to her.. Prophesying, which could be a number of debased and perverted images such as XXX'
But there is only 1.. = different outcomes... according to her so called...Prophesying
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 7/1/2009 5:50:45 PM
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Okay.. sort of got lost after trying to read everybody's post but if the spirit of jezebel attacks the leadership then we need to understand who's our authorities and submit to our leaders without questioning, complaining, and etc.
If two churches fight for authority, then the bible tells us that the greatest will become the least and also that God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.
They both should be based on the bible and if they both are based on the bible then there should not be any conflict.
My church joined up with many churches because one thing we have in common is to bring salvation to the community. So we do team up on outreaches. It doesn't matter for us who goes to who's church because if we're all about God and based on the bible then that's enough.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 7/2/2009 1:11:16 PM
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buckifn
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Okay.. sort of got lost after trying to read everybody's post but if the spirit of jezebel attacks the leadership then we need to understand who's our authorities and submit to our leaders without questioning, complaining, and etc.
That is taking the idea totally out of context. Jesus does not command us to follow any man without question. We know all men, including leader's are capable of being wrong.
I don't see how that video has anything to do with this topic either. Homosexuality and rebellion are 2 different sins.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 7/2/2009 1:21:42 PM
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if the spirit of jezebel attacks the leadership then we need to understand who's our authorities and submit to our leaders without questioning, complaining, and etc.
Wow. I couldn't disagree more. The Bereans in the book of Acts were commended, not condemned, for questioning what the Apostle Paul told them, making sure it lined up with the Word of God.
I will never submit to any human leader without first and foremost making sure that their counsel lines up with God's Word. Sometimes, this means that I must question what they say; this is not a "spirit of Jezebel," nor is it rebellion. It's enduring sound doctrine.
Following a leader without questioning is how Jonestown happened.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 7/11/2009 12:51:06 AM
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I will never submit to any human leader without first and foremost making sure that their counsel lines up with God's Word. Sometimes, this means that I must question what they say; this is not a "spirit of Jezebel," nor is it rebellion. It's enduring sound doctrine.
I would have to agree with that. Thank you
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 7/11/2009 1:37:54 AM
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The term is not very flattering because of some who have written about it but the notion is that a woman like Jezebel can become the power player in a marriage and encourage her husband to do things like kill someone over their vineyard (Nabal and Ahab.) it is not so much a specific spirit but a something that the enemy often does with couples where the woman takes too much authority in the relationship. Real believers seldoms if ever suffer from this so I would stay really far away from a church whose leadership has women in it showing the wrath of Jezebel. There is a reason Paul wanted women to stay out of leadership and I am concerned anytime I see a women in leadership who is not in submission to a male authority figure. I have known prophetesses who walked with great authority and were not married but they had a way about them that showed they were not seeking to be controlling. We have a female deacon at a church that I have visited and she is older and seemed to feel greatly empowered to tell everyone her status. I am concerned that she may need to be prayerfully dealt with at some point. the problems usually arise when the wife of a leader starts thinking her family deserve more place in the church than some other family. Say newcomers show up and they are really gifted, then starts the grumbling , 'But my husband has been doing kids church for ten years without pay...'
It's flesh,..so I guess I do use the term jezebel spirit for a woman who is possibly walking in withcraft prayer and manipulating things. Jesus mentioned a woman named Jezebel in Revelation 2:20 and many I know think he was being figurative, her real name was not Jezebel.
Hope that helps. Keep up the good fight, the days are getting darker still.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 7/11/2009 1:41:28 AM
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agapeflight
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Somebody had to bring up Jonestown. It's true bring up Manson too, Wako. But sometimes very good pastors suffer years of heart rending criticism from people who are simply afraid to submit to God but won't do themselves the favor of finding a church that lets them live that way, without obedience that is. It is true that we have the right to question those in leadership, we ought to expect leaders to truly care about the flock. Still there is a difference between holding our leadership accountable to God's word and simply refusing to get on with our own consecrated life of service in the name of Jesus.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 7/11/2009 1:48:51 AM
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agapeflight
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yes, well just as there are angels with specialties the fallen angels may also have roles they are more or less suited for, that is a reasonable inference from scripture though not something we really need to worry about. The term satan simply means adversary and does not specifically refer to Satan in all contexts. The enemy desires to load us down with guilt to fan the flames of the sin nature until we are separated from God. The NT has a very well developed teaching on the subject of demonology. Very often Jesus saw demons in places modern Christians deal with by upping their dose of prozac. The church will again know these truths and learn to stand in that power it once wielded. The Lord is not unaware of how far we have fallen in these things and He tends to shine brightest when things get darkest.
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