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Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 6:26:10 PM
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I just recently watched two different churches torn apart by what I believe to be a Jezebel spirit attacking the leadership. Just wondering how to deal with this bad spirit? And is there any other attacks that or taking place in other churches?
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 6:29:01 PM
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A Jezebel spirit? What is that?
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 6:37:45 PM
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I believe it's real, but I don't think it's a specific demon out there named Jezebel. I think there are spiritual forces that operate in that manner, to incite people to rebellion and power grabs, and when we use that terminology I believe that's what we are referring to.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 6:41:33 PM
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Jezebel spirit is just that, a bad spirit that attacks leadership in the church. 1kings 18:4 -18:13 19:1 Rev 2:20 and know by John Paul Jackson and written about by Him. Not alot of Christians know about this and I am looking to see if there is any merit to it.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 6:48:15 PM
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John Paul Jackson is known by some to be a false prophet. Other than that, I don't know. Maybe others know more about a Jezebel spirit, never heard of it.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 6:51:37 PM
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There are a lot of authors that have written on that topic. You can do a quick Google search and learn quite a bit about it.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 6:55:09 PM
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A 'Jezebel spirit' is a generic term for the enemy to attack church leadership and attempt to tear it apart. A 'Jezebel spirit' can be anything from envy/jealousy to conceit, and bitterness.
I do not believe there is a spirit solely called that, but it is just a generic term for such events.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 6:57:46 PM
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Stay away from John Paul Jackson, he is a false prophet.
He is a part of the heretical 'Kansas City Prophets' group and they are delved deep into some very problematic and unbiblical practices, counterfeit revivals, unbiblical and heretical claims, and beliefs. If you're interested in reading more about this, read THIS
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 7:08:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: ironsharpensiron
A 'Jezebel spirit' is a generic term for the enemy to attack church leadership and attempt to tear it apart. A 'Jezebel spirit' can be anything from envy/jealousy to conceit, and bitterness.
I do not believe there is a spirit solely called that, but it is just a generic term for such events.
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All true, good post.
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Many in these heretical Word of Faith/Latter Rain circles teach that there is an actual "Jezebel Spirit/demon". In the same manner that they will claim they can "rebuke the spirit of lust..." or they will say, "this city has a spirit of greed" over it, etc..
They will also teach that inanimate objects, such as a can of Coke, a pencil, a TV can have a demonic spirit.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 7:14:35 PM
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A Jezebel spirit is just the old flesh refusing to die, and causing folks to be onery and cynical.
Proper teaching and leadership will take care of the problem when it arises.
One little verse that most leadership will not use in this area is;
'(Tit 3:10) Warn troublemakers once or twice. Then don't have anything else to do with them.
I warn troublemakers once (I do not do twosies), and then put them out of the congregation if they do not repent. And that's the end of the "Jezebel spirit".
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 7:19:01 PM
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I would like some more input on this subject. Is it possible for someone to have this type of spirit?
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 7:22:01 PM
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I believe it's real, but I don't think it's a specific demon out there named Jezebel. I think there are spiritual forces that operate in that manner, to incite people to rebellion and power grabs, and when we use that terminology I believe that's what we are referring to.
Think this sums it up rather nicely. I believe that most people also think that this 'force' also works through women as the norm...hence the name "Jezebel" ... and the attributes that Jezebel, the wife of King Ahab, had.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 7:23:15 PM
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I would like some more input on this subject. Is it possible for someone to have this type of spirit?
I certainly think it is possible for a person to co-operate with this type of thing. Not necessairly being aware of it..........could say more, but, gotta go take care of the hungry hordes....will check back later
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 7:24:47 PM
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Is it possible for someone to have this type of spirit?
I've stated this many times on these boards, but I truly feel people give the enemy too much credit.
This 'type' of spirit is mostly what we call human nature. Man just likes to blame the enemy for every little thing so that the blame never rests on them. If leadership makes a mistake, then, 'oh, that rotten spirit of (whatever)...' Since the begining man has cast blame elsewhere for their own errors...the enemy is just an easy scapegoat most times.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 7:26:54 PM
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Think this sums it up rather nicely. I believe that most people also think that this 'force' also works through women as the norm...hence the name "Jezebel" ... and the attributes that Jezebel, the wife of King Ahab, had.
And it is usually rebellion against authority (specifically Church Leadeship), and trying to tear down or destroy the Church, now whether it is an attitude or a demonic spirit or both would most likely depend on the individual situation.
As I said I don't fool with folks like that; they get straight or get gone. I do not have the time nor the patience.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 7:28:03 PM
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Is it possible for someone to have this type of spirit?
I've stated this many times on these boards, but I truly feel people give the enemy too much credit.
This 'type' of spirit is mostly what we call human nature. Man just likes to blame the enemy for every little thing so that the blame never rests on them. If leadership makes a mistake, then, 'oh, that rotten spirit of (whatever)...' Since the begining man has cast blame elsewhere for their own errors...the enemy is just an easy scapegoat most times.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 7:36:43 PM
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Well thats good advice and funny to quote:
And it is usually rebellion against authority (specifically Church Leadeship), and trying to tear down or destroy the Church, now whether it is an attitude or a demonic spirit or both would most likely depend on the individual situation.
As I said I don't fool with folks like that; they get straight or get gone. I do not have the time nor the patience.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 8:39:54 PM
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Each person has one spirit -- their own.
Added to that they can be indwelt by the Holy Spirit, or they can be posessed by an evil/demonic spirit -- but not both.
The human spirit, unless it is sanctified, is corrupt and prone to evil in any situation, even without being posessed. This is Bibilcally refered to the working of 'the flesh' even after sanctification. Being posessed is a dramatic and rare -- one would definitely notice.
The evil one, our adversary, seeks to influence all people towards evil, corruption and death in any way that works for any particular victim.
Jezebel was a person, and she had a human spirit. She did great evil to God's people, but it is not possible that she herself transformed into a demon when she died. When she died she was/will be judged in the same way as all people are/are going to be.
You may contend that Jezebel herself was posessed. It is possible, but there is no actual Biblical support for that idea. In that case, I suppose that one could say that whichever deamon was posessing her is still active and posesses other people in our day -- but even so, that would not actually be Jezebel's spirit, and it would be limited to posessing one person at a time.
If Jezebel was not posessed, then she was simply allowing her choices to be influenced and guided by the evil one to follow the evil inclinations of her own human nature. Many people make that choice every day. Those who have similar temperaments to the original Jezebel might behave similarly to the way she behaved. It's no real surprise to see people following the same bad pattern trough history, and I'm sure our adversary has plenty of tactics to induce and encourage such things to the best of his abilities.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 8:49:32 PM
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I find that this term is often used to "keep a woman in her place." If she speaks up too loudly or questions too much, this accusation is leveled at her.
A woman at my former church was once accused in this way. Had this been valid, she would have told this tale to me and everyone else who would listen. I did not find out until months later, when I was talking to another former member and asked her why she left. She treated me to a tale of woe that involved her being asked to leave, and accused her of being in league with the first lady, all because she had mentioned her name in casual conversation.
Shudder. I'm glad I moved on.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 10:01:17 PM
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As I said I don't fool with folks like that; they get straight or get gone. I do not have the time nor the patience.
Good for you.
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I find that this term is often used to "keep a woman in her place." If she speaks up too loudly or questions too much, this accusation is leveled at her.
All the people that I have had experience with that were operating in the spirit of Jezebel were men.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 10:58:21 PM
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Is it possible for someone to have this type of spirit?
I've stated this many times on these boards, but I truly feel people give the enemy too much credit.
This 'type' of spirit is mostly what we call human nature. Man just likes to blame the enemy for every little thing so that the blame never rests on them. If leadership makes a mistake, then, 'oh, that rotten spirit of (whatever)...' Since the begining man has cast blame elsewhere for their own errors...the enemy is just an easy scapegoat most times.
Matthew
OK...so in what way would Paul's admonition that we wrestle not against flesh and blood (Ephesians) be applicable to human nature?
Without prejudice, I would state that the number of times one posts the same thing does not reflect on the reliability of said post as a standard of truth.
Perhaps people do give the enemy too much credit and perhaps your feeling is not altogether correct because we are left with scripture that has no place in a view that most 'types' of spirit are actually human nature.
The devil did, after all, play the major adversary in the garden of Eden. Do you suppose he has changed jobs?
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/8/2009 11:11:20 PM
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but it is not possible that she herself transformed into a demon when she died. When she died she was/will be judged in the same way as all people are/are going to be.
I do not believe the OP is asking if a person can be taken over by the THE actual 'spirit' of Jeszebel...that would be contradictory to Scripture to the best of my knowledge anyway. The OP mentions 'a' Jezebel spirit...referring, I think, to an evil spirit operating through a person in a way so as to give the impression of THE Jezebel's character (or lack thereof) ...attacking true believers'...separating people, threatening...etc. even appearing charming at times, but not really that way in their 'heart.'
Like Jezebel. You kind of reach this conclusion anyway at the end of your post I see.....
From my understanding and study of Scripture and learning from others who rely on the original texts, the word 'possession' that we use in English would be better translated (Biblically) to mean the individual possesses a demon rather than IS possessed by one (or more). That, also puts a different slant on things. Actual possession would imply ownership.
Further, if the person possesses the demon (not willingly as some invite them in, but that is beyond the scope of this OP), they would have at some time most likely engaged in activities that left them open to persuasion by spirits and eventually or in some other way, they have become more easily persuaded or even led into sin. We all have weaknesses....where we are more apt to sin....and of course satan will (not necessairly him personally) will attack us in the area of our vulnerability...put on the WHOLE armor of God.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/9/2009 1:37:10 AM
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The devil did, after all, play the major adversary in the garden of Eden. Do you suppose he has changed jobs?
Although he never possessed Adam or Eve, nor 'made' them do anything; it was their choice. There was no force. Human nature at its core, thank you for making my point; no 'spirit' fell upon them, they acted out of greed and their own self-ambition ~~ to become like God.
And who did they blame? The enemy. They made the decision, but when called on it they blamed someone else.
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/9/2009 1:51:19 AM
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Without prejudice, I would state that the number of times one posts the same thing does not reflect on the reliability of said post as a standard of truth.
I was/am merely stating that too often these same questions/responses come up, and each time people are giving credit to a creature that is sitting back and laughing at them and their belief that he is as powerful as his Creator.
A personal belief on my part.
Sure, the enemy does seek whom he may devour, and does entice people to go astray, fill them with jealousy/envy or whatever. My point is that he doesn't really have to work hard at what we, as humans, do best; we are oftimes our own worst enemies.
Sadly, scripture has been taken out of context and turned into superstitious mumbo jumbo that has us jumping at every sound, believing it is the enemy in every detail of our lives.
Who was it that always said 'the devil made me do it?' Well, the devil doesn't make us do anything, we do it all by ourselves and give him the blame (credit).
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(by the way, it was Flip Wilson)
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RE: Jezebel spirit Real or Not - 6/9/2009 2:13:44 AM
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OK...so in what way would Paul's admonition that we wrestle not against flesh and blood (Ephesians) be applicable to human nature?
Ephesians 6:12 "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
This passage is talking about the church's (Christian's) responsibility to prayer; to pray that evil will be driven away, and God's will will be advanced. Nothing about a 'spirit of a cold sore' or any other such thing.
Besides, a Christian, having the Spirit of the Lord indwelling cannot have an evil spirit indwelling at the same time.
So, back to the OP's original queery; a Jezebel spirit real or no ~~ no.
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