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RE: Dake Bible - 7/2/2009 1:39:12 PM
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Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; 8and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross. Philippians 2:5-8 ( ASV )
If Christ had all the power of God, as a man He could not have died.
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This passage demonstrates Christ's choice not to rely on his power; it does not teach that Christ had no power. There is no point where Christ stopped being God and this is something that is made abundantly clear in Scripture.
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/2/2009 2:43:34 PM
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Hi benelchi...
It's been ask before but I'll ask again; why then would it be necessary for the Father to grant that power back to Him... or Christ re assumed it on His own, we are not told ?
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:18-19 ( KJV )
This happened after the resurrection...
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/2/2009 2:58:04 PM
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Hi benelchi...
It's been ask before but I'll ask again; why then would it be necessary for the Father to grant that power back to Him... or Christ re assumed it on His own, we are not told ?
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:18-19 ( KJV )
This happened after the resurrection...
Bob
There are many, many more passages in Scripture to consider. The idea that Christ either became God or that Christ stopped being God is not part of orthodox Christianity; the reality is that the early church rejected the belief that Jesus either became God or stopped being God; they considered such belief heretical. However, it is a different topic and should be discussed in a different thread. At issue here is whether anyone who holds to orthodox Christian beliefs should use the Dake's bible. Because Dake's bible rejects some orthodox Christian beliefs, it not a good bible for those who hold to historical Christian doctrine.
A debate about whether the church has been wrong on this doctrinal point for nearly 2000 years belongs in another thread. The issue here is about whether someone who accepts to the historical Christian faith should use Dake's; they should not.
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/2/2009 3:30:21 PM
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It seems to have worked well for Benny Hinn and Keneth Copeland.
Need I say more?
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/2/2009 3:46:40 PM
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Is it the majority opinion that a mature Christian cannot use the Dake Bible for the purpose of scholarly study?
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/2/2009 3:52:26 PM
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It seems to have worked well for Benny Hinn and Keneth Copeland.
Need I say more?
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Maybe Jesus told benny hinn that dake's was a good bible the last time he came back in physical form so that he could meet personally with benny?
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/2/2009 3:59:29 PM
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Is it the majority opinion that a mature Christian cannot use the Dake Bible for the purpose of scholarly study?
I hope not!
I personally have read the book of Morman, the perl of great price, the new world translation, the koran, etc... for "personal study;" however, I do recognize that all of these books (and others too) contain heretical teaching. The issue here is whether this bible should be relied on as source for biblical truth, not simply whether somone should reference it for "scholarly" study, and wisdom says that they should not.
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/2/2009 4:05:04 PM
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Is it the majority opinion that a mature Christian cannot use the Dake Bible for the purpose of scholarly study?
I hope not!
I personally have read the book of Morman, the perl of great price, the new world translation, the koran, etc... for "personal study;" however, I do recognize that all of these books (and others too) contain heretical teaching. The issue here is whether this bible should be relied on as source for biblical truth, not simply whether somone should reference it for "scholarly" study, and wisdom says that they should not.
Thanks for the clarification! I was getting a bit confused with the back and forth for some reason.
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/2/2009 5:53:25 PM
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I personally have read the book of Morman, the perl of great price, the new world translation, the koran, etc... for "personal study;" however, I do recognize that all of these books (and others too) contain heretical teaching. The issue here is whether this bible should be relied on as source for biblical truth, not simply whether somone should reference it for "scholarly" study, and wisdom says that they should not.
Have you read the Dake reference Bible and the related references and footnotes?
Thanks
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/4/2009 12:46:26 PM
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The point is that the idea that Jesus was not God, but became God (taught in the Dake bible) is not part of orthodox Christian doctrine. Someone who wants to adhere to the historical Christian faith should be wary of this bible because it does not conform to the historical Christian faith.
benelchi...in reading the Drake teaching on the Trinity, I find it to be perhaps one of the most powerful supporting positions that I have encountered. It pulls all of the scripture together in a readable form to give proof of a Divine Trinity.
Bob
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/9/2009 11:50:44 PM
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I have owned "God's Plan for Man" for about 26 years. I have read different chapters in the book during those years and have learned a lot.
I have just bought the Dake Bible and his biography. I am looking forward to reading his Bible notes.
I also plan to go back through "God's Plan for Man" again with the Dake Bible.
I never look at anyone notes without prayer. God is the one who teaches not people. Or I should say God is the one who teaches us spiritual truths from the Bible. Man points the way for us. We must take that and pray over it for God's teaching. With a heart plowed and ready to receive the Word of God in humbleness and readiness.
I am not afraid of error in teaching. If I was, how could I listen to anyone? Dake is very exacting in his analysis. He is also simple in accepting what the Bible says. I like this way of teaching.
You can't read Dake without your faith being increased, and this is what I love about him.
Hebrews 11:6
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/10/2009 10:37:13 AM
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One comment on the Drake bible software; the Drake commentary is only one of many...you can use it or turn it off and use another such as Jameison-Fausset-Brown. The overall software is an awesome study tool.
Bob
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/10/2009 11:25:29 AM
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One comment on the Drake bible software; the Drake commentary is only one of many...you can use it or turn it off and use another such as Jameison-Fausset-Brown. The overall software is an awesome study tool.
Bob
Totally agree with you Bob97
Thanks
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/15/2009 11:48:49 PM
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Hi scottmacc...you mean you got the Bible not the software? I don't have the Bible but do have the software...it's pretty neat.
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/16/2009 10:22:42 AM
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I got the Dake Bible Monday. I wish I had bought it years ago. It is packed with notes. I am enjoying it a lot.
I heard an illustration the other day.
Whether beef, buffalo, chicken, ham, etc.
They all have bones in them.
The illustration was used to show doctrines.
All the doctrines represented by "meat" have
errors and/or slants represented by "bones."
We eat the "meat" but throw out the "bones."
The only way to recognize the bones is to know
the difference in meat and bones.
So, we have to beware of any "commentator bible"
we use. There is some good information in the Dakes
but there is some bad information in it as well.
Judge the commentary by the Scripture and
not the Scripture by the commentary.
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/16/2009 11:00:15 AM
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Lap, I have yet to see commentary that I don't reject a part of. It is after all mans opinion for the most part. 
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RE: Dake Bible - 7/16/2009 4:03:13 PM
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Lap, I have yet to see commentary that I don't reject a part of. It is after all mans opinion for the most part.
Bob
So true,
And only we have it all right......................LOL
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