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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 7:49:54 AM
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iluvatar
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I never really bought into the whole "vinyl is better" bandwagon - LP's always seemed like too much hassle to me and too much risk of getting scratched, and I've been perfectly happy with the way cd's sound.
Then one of the guys at work brought in his turntable and hooked it up to our house system...
Oh.
-Dan.
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 7:57:37 AM
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Through Guitar Hero I have been exposed to bands like Rise Against
Rise Against is a great band! I've got a couple of albums.
Since we're free in here, I have to say that I love Slipknot and Stone Sour. Pretty much anything Corey Taylor is involved in is OK by me.
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 8:34:50 AM
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I was ten years old when I bought my first record. It was "Meet the Beatles." I have loved that band's music ever since, and they are still my favorite by far.
I also love The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Allman Bros., Crosby Stills Nash Young, The Byrds...I could go on for a while.
I also really enjoy bluegrass, and string band music (Green Cards is a current favorite). Some country too, mainly older stuff (been listening to Carl Smith lately. But I like the Dixie Chicks, Brad Paisley, Shooter Jennings).
Lately I've been listening to Flogging Molly and Kings of Leon.
I'll give almost anything a try at least once! Praise God for music!
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 10:19:40 AM
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I never really bought into the whole "vinyl is better" bandwagon - LP's always seemed like too much hassle to me and too much risk of getting scratched, and I've been perfectly happy with the way cd's sound.
Then one of the guys at work brought in his turntable and hooked it up to our house system...
Oh.
-Dan.
Dan,
I am amazed at the resurgence of vinyl. All the big bands are starting to release their new stuff on vinyl. Is this a retro movement or something with more staying power?
I can't see going back to vinyl. I have invested too heavily in the digital mediums to go back. I still have some vinyl from my younger days but I look upon them more for their collectible value now than their use as a musical medium.
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 12:29:13 PM
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Down with vinyl. It stank back then, It stinks now.
To easily scratched. Too many pops and skips; too much hiss.
Funny I never saw a resurgence of Edison-style gramaphone cylinders in vinyl's heyday......
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 12:31:54 PM
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But to keep with the concept of the thread, I really like a lot of various 'secular' music and groups.
I really like an all-girl Zeppy tribute band called Lez Zeppelin. I am also a fan of Ides of March.
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 12:33:36 PM
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Funny I never saw a resurgence of Edison-style gramaphone cylinders in vinyl's heyday...... I'm waiting for the big eight track revival that I just know is gonna happen any day now.
Any big band fans out there?
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 1:07:48 PM
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Sometimes the pops and hiss found on vinyl actually add to the experience....I've even heard some current groups artificially add the pops and cracks to their new recordings to give it that "old school" feel.....
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 3:35:08 PM
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My mom got me into Glenn Miler. I became a huge Basie fan after seeing him play in the theater in his home town that's now named for him. It was like being transported back to the 40's. He died a year later. I love Ellington, Goodman, the Dorsey brothers, and the singers like Joe Williams and Billie Holiday.
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 3:42:57 PM
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You're kidding, right? You name a thread "Secular Music" and expect us to dismiss any aspect of a band's theological worldview? Yeah. Every thread on this board doesn't have to delve into theology. It's not a requirement. We're not violating any TOS by not questioning the religious beliefs of every artist we discuss. I don't care if a guy is a tree worshipping druid with serious right-wing buddhist tendencies that only occur every third full moon, if he has good chops I'll listen.
As to judging, that's God's job,not mine, so I'll go with Alfred E Newman on this one, "What? Me worry?"
And like I said elsewhere, if you're thinking of castigating me for this, save your energy. I ain't interested.
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 7:02:00 PM
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Actually, I find the idea behind this thread to be refreshing. A few comments on a previous post:
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In so much as judging people due to their choice of music: I agree. You should listen to whatever poison you want.
This statement in and of itself is judgemental. It assumes that anyone posting here lacks discernment. I know that some lyrics have "poisonous" lyrics, but I personally refuse to dismiss a whole band based on certain songs. Music is to be evaluated song by song, not band by band. I try to to see the good side of everything.
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The simple fact that you are posting to Crosswalk forums presupposes postings by people of a certain ilk.
Yes, and that's perfectly fine. I am a Christian and sometimes I just want to talk about music as music. Is that wrong? I hardly think so. If I spend an inordinate amount of time doing it, then yes, I have a problem.
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But hey, it's your thread...
Which makes me wonder: after reading the opening post in this thread, in what spirit does one come here? Why bother with this thread at all, if you don't agree with listening to secular music of any kind? To prove a point? That you are right, and everyone else is wrong? Do not assume everyone on this board is naive or incapable of making wise music choices (lyrically speaking)....
I am going to enjoy this thread. Maybe I can even discuss my favorite music...1920's jazz, and my modest collection of 78's, as well as the blues and classic rock I grew up with.
Blessings,
The long dormant Blind Lemon (thanks for waking me up)...
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 7:03:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: iluvatar
I never really bought into the whole "vinyl is better" bandwagon - LP's always seemed like too much hassle to me and too much risk of getting scratched, and I've been perfectly happy with the way cd's sound.
Then one of the guys at work brought in his turntable and hooked it up to our house system...
Oh.
-Dan.
Dan,
I am amazed at the resurgence of vinyl. All the big bands are starting to release their new stuff on vinyl. Is this a retro movement or something with more staying power?
I can't see going back to vinyl. I have invested too heavily in the digital mediums to go back. I still have some vinyl from my younger days but I look upon them more for their collectible value now than their use as a musical medium.
Punk rock has consistently printed music on vinyl. There are more than 7,000 12" LPs listed on Interpunk right now.
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/15/2009 10:23:26 PM
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Down with vinyl. It stank back then, It stinks now.
To easily scratched. Too many pops and skips; too much hiss.
As I've been learning, there's a difference between cheap vinyl and more expensive, heavier vinyl. The heavier stuff is more durable and sounds better. There's also a difference between a good turntable w/ good needles and the cheap stuff. We've got good discs being played on a decent (few hundred dollar) turntable all day long, and they sound fantastic. We sell pro audio gear and have a recording studio, so we're a bit finicky about sound quality.
Part of the issue is that these days, the mastering jobs on cd's frequently go overboard making everything really loud and compressed. This works for certain styles of music, but really kills others. There are physical limitations of vinyl as a medium that prevent such abuse (to a degree anyways). One guy at our shop has the cd an LP of (IIRC) a recent Elvis Costello album and the difference is not subtle.
-Dan.
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/16/2009 12:09:23 AM
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The new Sonic Youth album is FAAAAANtastic. 'Course, I've been a fan of theirs for years... and they ARE one of my favorite bands. So I suppose my enthusiasm can be written off as fanbay jabbering. But it has been waaaay too long since they released new material, so I feel the enthusiasm is justified.
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/16/2009 6:03:56 AM
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Down with vinyl. It stank back then, It stinks now.
To easily scratched. Too many pops and skips; too much hiss.
As I've been learning, there's a difference between cheap vinyl and more expensive, heavier vinyl. The heavier stuff is more durable and sounds better. There's also a difference between a good turntable w/ good needles and the cheap stuff. We've got good discs being played on a decent (few hundred dollar) turntable all day long, and they sound fantastic. We sell pro audio gear and have a recording studio, so we're a bit finicky about sound quality.
Part of the issue is that these days, the mastering jobs on cd's frequently go overboard making everything really loud and compressed. This works for certain styles of music, but really kills others. There are physical limitations of vinyl as a medium that prevent such abuse (to a degree anyways). One guy at our shop has the cd an LP of (IIRC) a recent Elvis Costello album and the difference is not subtle.
-Dan.
I so agree, a lot of the old vinyl sound great on the turntables that are made today. Even though I will put up with a few ticks and scratches. I love how music was recorded and how it sounds before cds and ipods cames about.
In the secular music realm, I love the blues - B.B. King, Muddy Waters, (Paul Rodgers of Bad Company has a cd of his music, very good), Rory Gallagher, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Johnny Lang, and Kenny Wayne Shepherd.
I'm also a big fan of Collective Soul, I have all but one of their cds. I saw them in concert and it was one of the best I ever attended. They sound just the same/or better in person as they do on disc.
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/16/2009 6:30:36 AM
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DaveW
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Any big band fans out there? I grew up hating big band music. My parents loved it (need I say more?)
THEN - Chicago Transit Authority hit the record stores. (with 'Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?' and 'Beginnings') In the liner notes, they were described as "big band." YUCK!! but I loved their music. Ended up loving all the horn bands - Ides of March, Lighthouse, BS&T, Chase, etc.
Now I love big band.
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RE: Secular Music Freedom Zone - 6/16/2009 7:22:43 AM
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I never really bought into the whole "vinyl is better" bandwagon - LP's always seemed like too much hassle to me and too much risk of getting scratched, and I've been perfectly happy with the way cd's sound.
Then one of the guys at work brought in his turntable and hooked it up to our house system...
Oh.
-Dan.
Dan,
I am amazed at the resurgence of vinyl. All the big bands are starting to release their new stuff on vinyl. Is this a retro movement or something with more staying power?
I can't see going back to vinyl. I have invested too heavily in the digital mediums to go back. I still have some vinyl from my younger days but I look upon them more for their collectible value now than their use as a musical medium.
Punk rock has consistently printed music on vinyl. There are more than 7,000 12" LPs listed on Interpunk right now.
The record store I frequent has a great collection of punk on vinyl that they prominently display behind the sales counter. They also have some collectible vinyl. What's amazing is that the larger chain stores haven't looked into this phenomenom.
When vinyl was all we had. I used to buy "VRP's" (Vauluable Record Protectors) for my vinyl. they were non-static, non-scratching covers for my records to protect them from the static build-up and scratching that the paper covers imparted to the vinyl. I also bought plastic covers to protect the album jacket. Some of that art work was worth preserving! The records were cleaned before playing with my cleaning system.
Now I pop the CD in and the sound quality is the same every time. No popcorn!
I haven't checked the prices. Is vinyl a good deal or do they charge as much as their digital counterparts?
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