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RE: 1,000 years literal or figurative? Why? - 8/3/2009 4:40:39 PM
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Oseas2
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If not 1,000 years, How long of a time period is it. Be precise.
I'm going to make a guess...how about 1000 years?
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No Bob, here I need to disagree with you Bro', sorry.
I'd have to say more likely around 365,000 days
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Around 365000days? Or 8 760 000 terrestrial hours?
Explaining:
365 x 1,000 x 24 = 8,760,000 terrestrial hours.
Total hours of GOD’ s week : 8,760,000 x 7 = 61,320,000 terrestrial hours.
Total hours of MAN’s week : 24 x 7 = 168 terrestrial hours.
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RE: 1,000 years literal or figurative? Why? - 8/4/2009 12:09:46 AM
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Shalom, Mark.
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And just before someone jumps in with the Jewish Lunar calendar, 355,000 days!  
Awe, you stole my thunder! 
Yes, the way it works out, the Jewish calendar, based on a lunar month cycle, is more like 360 days until every 7th year (or so) when there is a leap month (Adar I while the regular Adar becomes Adar II) is thrown in. It's not based on just the solar cycle, as is our Gregorian calendar. To the Jewish calendar, the only contribution of the solar cycle is that of the seasons, involving planting and reaping. (That's why it takes FOUR "New Year's Days" in stead of just one--one for the civil calendar, one for the religious calendar, one for the crops and one for the trees.)
In the Messiah's love,
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RE: 1,000 years literal or figurative? Why? - 8/4/2009 5:10:19 PM
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Just a thought for this thread. Is the thousand years literal? Take a look at this prophecy. And ask this question. The 3rd day of Hosea 6. Is the day of Jezreel the same event as the thousand year reign of the saints?
Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
In light of Psalms 90-4 it would seem these days are thousand year periods of time. And that 3rd day is starting to get really close.
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RE: 1,000 years literal or figurative? Why? - 8/9/2009 2:57:46 PM
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Just a thought for this thread. Is the thousand years literal? Take a look at this prophecy. And ask this question. The 3rd day of Hosea 6.
Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Is the day of Jezreel the same event as the thousand year reign of the saints?
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Yes, it is really, it is linked with this new millennium, that is the third millennium after the first coming of the LORD Jesus Christ here. The third day event revealed to the prophet Oseas, it is similar to another event of the prophet Jonas:
Jesus said: "As Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale´s belly; so will the SON of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth". Jesus was crucified and buried, but He did rise up in the third day.
Of the same manner, now, in this third day (third millennium) after the first Christ caming, He will appear the second time in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not GOD, and that obey not His Gospel.
There is another glorious and celestial event similar in the Old Testament, as follow:
Pay atention and meditate on this because the same will happen now in this third millennium after the first Christ coming:
Exodus 19:v.9to11and 14to17
9 The Lord said to Moses, “I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people may hear when I speak with you and so that they will always believe in you.” And Moses told the words of the people to the Lord. 10 The Lord said to Moses, “Go to the people and sanctify them today and tomorrow (TWO DAYS), and make them wash their clothes 11 and be ready for the third day, for on the third day the Lord will come down on Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people. Hallelujaaaah! Hallelujaaah!
14 Then Moses went down from the mountain to the people and sanctified the people, and they washed their clothes. 15 He said to the people, “BE READY FOR THE THIRD DAY. Do not go near your wives.” 16 On the third day in the morning there was thunder and lightning and a dense cloud on the mountain, and the sound of a very loud horn; all the people who were in the camp trembled. 17 And Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God... Hallelujaaaah!
Praise be to the LORD God, the God of Israel, Who alone does marvelous deeds. Praise be to His glorious name forever, MAY THE WHOLE EARTH BE FILLED WITH HIS GLORY. Amen! Hallelujaaah! Hallelujaaah!
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RE: 1,000 years literal or figurative? Why? - 8/9/2009 11:14:54 PM
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Shalom, Ntech (and you, too, Oseas2).
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Just a thought for this thread. Is the thousand years literal? Take a look at this prophecy. And ask this question. The 3rd day of Hosea 6. Is the day of Jezreel the same event as the thousand year reign of the saints?
Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
In light of Psalms 90-4 it would seem these days are thousand year periods of time. And that 3rd day is starting to get really close.
Why couldn't this be a literal three-day period talking about the resurrection process? Why do we immediately go to a "day=1000 years" mode?
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: 1,000 years literal or figurative? Why? - 8/10/2009 12:16:38 PM
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Although the Book of Revelation is filled with symbolism that must be properly interpreted, I see NO logical reason why the 1,000 year reign would be anything other than an actual period of 1,000 years. I think to come to any other conclusion you have to misinterpret, add to or take away from other scriptures.
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RE: 1,000 years literal or figurative? Why? - 8/10/2009 2:11:52 PM
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Although the Book of Revelation is filled with symbolism that must be properly interpreted, I see NO logical reason why the 1,000 year reign would be anything other than an actual period of 1,000 years. I think to come to any other conclusion you have to misinterpret, add to or take away from other scriptures.
We're in agreement on that brother.
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RE: 1,000 years literal or figurative? Why? - 8/10/2009 9:48:16 PM
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Shalom, tsnody2001.
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Although the Book of Revelation is filled with symbolism that must be properly interpreted, I see NO logical reason why the 1,000 year reign would be anything other than an actual period of 1,000 years. I think to come to any other conclusion you have to misinterpret, add to or take away from other scriptures.
Sorry, but I guess you and Bob misunderstood me.
Revelation's 1000 years is just fine in my opinion. I was actually referring to Hoshea's prophecy. This does NOT have to be three millennia. They could be literally three normal 24-hour days. That's all.
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: 1,000 years literal or figurative? Why? - 8/10/2009 10:35:19 PM
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No Roy we are not in disagreement. 
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RE: 1,000 years literal or figurative? Why? - 8/11/2009 12:17:43 PM
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What's Revelation 20 talk about and is that number figurative or literal. Guess that would answer the question (based on my studies)
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RE: 1,000 years literal or figurative? Why? - 8/11/2009 6:26:07 PM
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Ntech
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Shalom, Ntech (and you, too, Oseas2).
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Just a thought for this thread. Is the thousand years literal? Take a look at this prophecy. And ask this question. The 3rd day of Hosea 6. Is the day of Jezreel the same event as the thousand year reign of the saints?
Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
In light of Psalms 90-4 it would seem these days are thousand year periods of time. And that 3rd day is starting to get really close.
Why couldn't this be a literal three-day period talking about the resurrection process? Why do we immediately go to a "day=1000 years" mode?
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
Why do I think the three days are thousand year periods of time? The history of the past 2 thousand years and also putting them in context with the rest of Hosea and Leviticus 26.
Look at what happened to the Jews since the first century AD. The temple destroyed in 70 AD. The Bar Kocba revolt of 135 AD and the Diaspora. Then all the other terrible things that have happened since then.
Then read Leviticus 26 and what happens to a people who are bound to the Leviticus 26 contract. And finally review this verses in Hosea.
5-13 When Ephraim saw his sickness, and Judah saw his wound, then went Ephraim to the Assyrian, and sent to king Jareb: yet could he not heal you, nor cure you of your wound.
14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
That's scary stuff. It's nothing less than a declaration of a top level Leviticus 26 curse..
26-27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.
32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
I think there is enough of a historical record here to bear out the thousand years=one day statement.
And a final misc. detail about these curses is that the cursed are not supposed to know about it.
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