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In Your Church... - 6/24/2009 11:15:16 PM
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slushie
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If the ministry leaders/pastors are not preaching, is it a given that they should still attend service?
Say that they're still in the building though they're not preaching, not on a trip or anything. Do you feel that they should still attend services?
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/24/2009 11:38:31 PM
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I guess it depends on the situation. If he is allowed someone else his pulpit to preach and isn't attending the service, where is he? If he is attending to another part of his ministry such as a counselling session that can't be put off then I would think it is OK, but if he is just skipping out of the service then I think he's wrong to do so. Just my opinion.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/24/2009 11:59:25 PM
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It would certainly depend on the church/situation. There really is not much to go on here so I can not say one way or the other.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 12:06:16 AM
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I think a pastor might have a reason to go to another service at a different Church...
To observe other ways of doing things, to see a friend-minister, to witness or perform a baptism that was important to them, or simply for a time of refreshing or a change of scene, to be an anonymous regular-person visitor for just one hour, if the 'spotlight' was wearing on them (as it might for an introvert), even to make new friends or seek dating prospects (since it's hard for a pastor to date in-congregation, and it's hard to find Christian young people in other settings than a Church).
So, no, I'd not say that it's a 'given' that he be in your Church service if he is 'off' -- and there might be some cases where he would not be in any service. Sometimes it's an expression of freedom in Christ just to not gather on a Sunday morning, just one week every few years.
OK - I just re-read, and realize you said he was in the building. If he's going to stay in his office, there had best be something important that needs doing, even if nobody knows what it is, or even if it's personal business. Does your Church have multiple services, that perhaps he was planning to attend just one, not all?
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 3:26:14 AM
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Do you go into work on your day off? If the minister is having a legitimate Sunday off then that is exactly what it should be!
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 6:00:59 AM
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If the ministry leaders/pastors are not preaching, is it a given that they should still attend service?
Say that they're still in the building though they're not preaching, not on a trip or anything. Do you feel that they should still attend services?
I read this a little differently than most, probably because I am on staff at a larger church which has several pastors. I assumed you meant the non-teaching pastor or someone other than the Senior Pastor. For example, we have a Mission Pastor and a Care Pastor who rarely ever have a "part" in the actual Sunday service.
I'm a part of the Kids' Ministry staff. On any given Sunday I might "think" I will get to the service that day or I might know that it just isn't going to happen because of various situations from volunteer shortages to needing to train new teachers to just stuff that comes up when you are doing ministry with hundreds of kids. And you what they say about the "best laid plans"....triple that once you step into the children's wing! 
There is no need to "explain myself" if I don't make it into the service, no one is taking staff attendance or anything like that. However, I suppose that it is assumed that you will "go to church" for one service unless circumstances prevent it that week.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 7:40:33 AM
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In our church No, it is not a given that all leader's are going to be sitting in the service. Some are in their office the entire time. I seldom give it a thought...isn't it everyone's choice whether to attend a service or not?
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 7:59:31 AM
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I'm curious as to why you feel he needs to be there.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 8:15:58 AM
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If the ministry leaders/pastors are not preaching, is it a given that they should still attend service?
Say that they're still in the building though they're not preaching, not on a trip or anything. Do you feel that they should still attend services?
Absolutely, now they may have duties somewhre besides the Sanctuary, but they are leadership and must be there to lead.
They also need the message/teaching just as anyone else in the congregation.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 9:59:55 AM
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Do you go into work on your day off? If the minister is having a legitimate Sunday off then that is exactly what it should be!
I would agree if being a pastor were a job like any other. But it is not.
Being a pastor is a gift, a calling of God upon a life.
You don't turn these things off and on as one does a water hydrant. (Although that probably is the way many perceive it because it has become just another 'job'.)
Do I say, OK, Jesus, today it's about me? Or today I'm not going to serve You? Or today don't make me be around Your people?
The gathering of believers should be the thing I most enjoy and look forward to. . . and create opportunities for. Do you remember the description Luke gave in Acts?
And they were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Acts 2:42
Continually devoting seems to clinch it for me. It's not an on and off life. It's a devotion born of love for the One Who died for us. When that is not our desire, we should ask ourselves if we truly love Jesus.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 10:09:28 AM
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I'm not so sure that 'SHOULD' is the right word. It implies an ironclad law outside of the Bible. Is it 'ADVISABLE'? Yes, for apparently people are watching or we would not have this question brought up.
But, 'SHOULD' is very simular to 'MUST' and that brings us into the realm of deciding for others what God wants for that person... and, that is outside our pay grade. 
A better view, rather than trying to decide what a pastor should or should not be doing, is to simply pray, "Lord, may <pastor's name> be in the very center of Your Will this morning and may all that <pastor's name> does be Glorifying to You." Then, leave it up to God as to whether that pastor should or should not be in the service.
It's NOT a matter of where WE think that pastor should be at that time. It's where GOD thinks that pastor should be that most Glorifies Himself.
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ORIGINAL: slushie
If the ministry leaders/pastors are not preaching, is it a given that they should still attend service?
Say that they're still in the building though they're not preaching, not on a trip or anything. Do you feel that they should still attend services?
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 10:44:08 AM
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If this is a hypothetical questoin...I really don't know. Whatever should happen might be a question for the entire leadership.
If this is something you experienced, then I have a question for you (or whoever might have experienced this)...how would you notice the absence of someone if you, yourself are involved and paying attention in worship and study?
Not accusing or condemning...just sayin'...we so enjoy holding our leaders to a biblical standard...but what about ourselves?
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 12:05:18 PM
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thanks for the responses
We have a very small congregation and it's hard to not notice.
The youth minister has been skipping service regularly these past few weeks and I was rather concerned about it. I think I'll just let it go as he's a "don't approach me" kind of guy.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 12:06:43 PM
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We have a very small congregation and it's hard to not notice.
well, that makes sense then
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The youth minister has been skipping service regularly these past few weeks and I was rather concerned about it. I think I'll just let it go as he's a "don't approach me" kind of guy.
and this is too bad...
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 12:10:10 PM
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He does say that he has issues. But I'm just worried about the example it gives because the kids in our church are very reluctant to go to sunday school and sometimes service.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 12:19:37 PM
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Could u clarify a little more? Are you talking about he should be sitting in every service? Or he should attend at least 1 worship service a week? There are different expectations at each church prob.
It sounds odd that anyone in ministry would be a "don't approach me kind of guy"...isn't that the opposite of what ministry entails?
As for kids being reluctant to attend ss...that's the parent's job to deal with. We have to teach our kids we don't choose to attend SS and church because someone else does or does not go, but because we love Jesus and want to learn more about Him.
Slushie are you also a leader at church?
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 12:30:49 PM
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Yes, I am also a leader in church.
At our church, they expect the pastors to attend service whenever it is possible. If they're wandering around the church aimlessly during service time, they should be attending service. If they're just sitting in their office with their girlfriends with the door locked during service times, they should be in service. He is in church, but he refuses to attend service. As far as I know he doesn't have a good excuse.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 1:12:01 PM
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Having you spoken to the pastor about this concern?
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 3:02:40 PM
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Sorry, senior pastor, not youth pastor
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 3:57:43 PM
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Yes, I am also a leader in church.
At our church, they expect the pastors to attend service whenever it is possible. If they're wandering around the church aimlessly during service time, they should be attending service. If they're just sitting in their office with their girlfriends with the door locked during service times, they should be in service. He is in church, but he refuses to attend service. As far as I know he doesn't have a good excuse.
Exactly! "As far as you know"
And, is your leadership role such that it would be your call as to what constitutes a "good" excuse? In other words, does this man report to you?
Who is "they"? If "they" expect the pastors to attend services whenever possible; I suggest that you let "them" handle it.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 4:04:24 PM
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"they" is the board of deacons/coworkers in the church, along with a couple of the other pastors.
I've known people who haven't attended service because another area in the church demanded their immediate attention -- like one of the other pastors suddenly got sick and needed a replacement to step in.
I haven't talked to the senior pastor yet. It looks like I have no need to as they're going to let him go in a few months.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/25/2009 7:28:39 PM
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Well as a Leader myself the first thing I would do is go to this person myself and see how he is doing...not just to confront, but to see if there is a need I can help him with, and also to mention his not being in service, and see what his reason is.
I don't believe it would be fair to skip him and go straight to someone else, even the pastor, about it.
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/26/2009 3:33:08 AM
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Do you go into work on your day off? If the minister is having a legitimate Sunday off then that is exactly what it should be!
I would agree if being a pastor were a job like any other. But it is not.
Being a pastor is a gift, a calling of God upon a life.
You don't turn these things off and on as one does a water hydrant. (Although that probably is the way many perceive it because it has become just another 'job'.)
Do I say, OK, Jesus, today it's about me? Or today I'm not going to serve You? Or today don't make me be around Your people?
The gathering of believers should be the thing I most enjoy and look forward to. . . and create opportunities for. Do you remember the description Luke gave in Acts?
And they were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Acts 2:42
Continually devoting seems to clinch it for me. It's not an on and off life. It's a devotion born of love for the One Who died for us. When that is not our desire, we should ask ourselves if we truly love Jesus.
So, in your opinion pastors should never take a day off, go on holiday, be off sick?
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RE: In Your Church... - 6/26/2009 3:37:32 AM
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Do you go into work on your day off? If the minister is having a legitimate Sunday off then that is exactly what it should be!
I would agree if being a pastor were a job like any other. But it is not.
Being a pastor is a gift, a calling of God upon a life.
P. S. In my opinion being a pastor is not a call to 'burn out'! It is a call yes, but it is also a marathon not a sprint!!
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