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ManimalX -> Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (6/26/2009 3:29:22 AM)

Transformers 2: If it is possible for a movie to be worse than Transformers 1 and Terminator: Salvation, this is it. They should have renamed it "Transformers 2: Restraining Megan Fox's Ugly Fake Boobs While While She Wears Retardedly Unrealistic Skimpy Outfits In Ultra Slo-Mo". Save your $.

After the stupid Transformers 1, I swore I would never go see a sequel. Well, I went to see it to my everlasting shame. What a poorly written piece of over-sexualization and vulgar language packaged into a $100 Million+ special effects package. The only redeeming qualities were excellent special fx and some sympathetic characters (hint: not LaButt or NotAFox)

I feel several degrees stupider after seeing this poor excuse for a sci-fi flick. (See, I now even use words like "stupider"...)



PHmosh1 -> RE: Transformers 2: Rise of the Fallen (6/26/2009 7:48:57 AM)

Are Megan Fox's boobs fake, or are they CGI? [8D]

I have heard nothing good about this movie. That really sucks, too! As is typical with the Hollywood geniuses, they focus on technology rather than good script writing.

I'll probably still watch, because I'm curious. Many people hate Terminator 3, but I love it. We'll see.



Tantum_Ergo -> RE: Transformers 2: Rise of the Fallen (6/26/2009 9:34:43 AM)

Transformers 2 is no good? That's a bummer I kind of enjoyed the first one. It was no academy award winner but for a summer popcorn movie, it was pretty good.

I will still probably give the second a watch so I can form my own opinion on it (that and I like movie popcorn).

What is your beef with the new Terminator movie?

God bless you



jazzact13 -> RE: Transformers 2: Rise of the Fallen (6/26/2009 3:45:35 PM)

My take on it was a bit different...

Personally, I enjoyed Tr2. While rather long, it didn't seem plodding. I thought they did a good job with the animation of the Transformers, especially with OP's big forest fight scene. One problem I had with the first was in trying to keep track of which Transformer was which, and while that did happen a few times in the new movie, it wasn't as bad.

The story had a mix of sci-fi and fantasy in it, which was fine. The Fallen did look rather like something from the Alien movies.

I liked the pro-military against wimpy government take it, especially when it came the president's threat to negotiate with Megatron and ask the Autobots to leave.

There were elements of it I didn't like. A lot of the attempts at humor were rather crude (though the Mom's meltdown on brownies was I though funny).

All in all, it was a good, fun movie. I enjoyed it.



ManimalX -> RE: Transformers 2: Rise of the Fallen (6/26/2009 8:42:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tantum_Ergo

Transformers 2 is no good? That's a bummer I kind of enjoyed the first one. It was no academy award winner but for a summer popcorn movie, it was pretty good.

I will still probably give the second a watch so I can form my own opinion on it (that and I like movie popcorn).

What is your beef with the new Terminator movie?

God bless you


Transformers 2 had some really fun moments and some really cool action sequences (Optimus taking on the whole Decepticon squad by himself in the forest was pretty sweet, the Constructicons turning into Devastator was awesome), but they just ruin it with a ton of foul language, unnecessary sexual imagery and dialogue, and otherwise generally poor dialogue, weak plot, and choppy storytelling.

I am sure some folks will enjoy it, as my low opinion of the first Transformers movie is usually the minority, but I just couldn't get over the negatives to enjoy this one.

Regarding Terminator: Salvation, see the older thread HERE, or go check out rottentomatoes.com and read some of the mediocre reviews there. Speaking of RT.com, it looks like Transformers 2 has an abysmal 21% rating. Yikes. I guess my opinion about the movie is in the majority this time.

Also, I agree with jazzcat13's point regarding the pro-military depiction. I liked the military guys better than Sam and his trophy hooker.... oops! I mean girlfriend.



Tinkerbell_ -> RE: Transformers 2: Rise of the Fallen (6/27/2009 8:28:47 AM)

We saw it yesterday and definitely got our money's worth. The movie didn't feel almost two and a half hours long, and the action was amazing.

There were a few scenes that could have been left out, especially John Tuturro's rear. [8D]

But it was good and definitely on my high list of good movies. [:)]



freakofnature -> RE: Transformers 2: Rise of the Fallen (6/28/2009 8:50:30 PM)

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The Fallen did look rather like something from the Alien movies.


I thought that exact same thing...

I thoroughly enjoyed the first Transformers... I was mildly disappointed with the 2nd one.. Try watching it at the 10:50 show after having only had about 4 hours of sleep the night before... very difficult to sit through 2.5 hours. I could've waited until it came out on DVD.



Yankee Nut -> RE: Transformers 2: Rise of the Fallen (6/29/2009 2:03:36 AM)

Was going to see it this past weekend but was busy with other stuff and didn't have the time. Definetly one I want to see though



ManimalX -> RE: Transformers 2: Rise of the Fallen (6/29/2009 2:36:38 AM)

I am often at odds with pluggedinonline.com's movie reviews, but their review of T2:RotF is nearly identical with mine. Rottentomatoes.com is registering a 21% rating.... which is really, really rotten.

The Conclusion from http://www.pluggedinonline.com/movies/movies/a0004696.cfm
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Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen comes with no pretensions of greatness. It's not written to make you think, not crafted to make you cry. Its sole intent is to get moviegoers to fork over their 10 bucks and sit still for two-and-a-half hours. That said, I was surprised at how cold this movie left me.

The film's emotional moments felt forced, and its themes of sacrifice insincere. While some films use CGI to set up a story, Transformers reverses the process: It uses a half-hearted story as an excuse to string together some cool special effects.

But a much bigger issue than the film's cinematic failure, for our purposes, is its level of crassness and sexual content. This is a movie based on children's' playthings, for Pete's sake. I can't imagine that many in the audience really came to see robot testicles or small-dog erotica. And then there's Megan Fox's ongoing parade in her barely there outfits, not to mention a sexed-up co-ed who turns out to be, bizarrely, something else entirely. One of the folks with whom I saw this movie left the theater feeling insulted. "This is what they think I want to see?!" he said. "This is what they think I'm interested in?"

Film critic Marshall Fine put it this way: "This is what we've come to: movies based on cartoons that were marketing tools for toys." He also noted, "It's hard to exaggerate what a depressing mess of a film this misbegotten monstrosity is. More depressing still, it will attract lemming-like multitudes to multiplexes this weekend, further convincing [director Michael] Bay of his own genius."

Yeah, that feels about right.


Spot on.



nuclear_sidewalk -> RE: Transformers 2: Rise of the Fallen (6/29/2009 5:42:01 PM)

I saw it last night. Michael Bay strikes again.

Lots of explosions, visual effects, women that look like Abercrombie models, and (of course) explosions. Not so much plot though, and what little there was didn't make a whole lot of sense. I went with a bunch of other people, so that softens the disappointment a bit, but I guess I should've lowered my expectations further. Fools on me for thinking my film-maker friend has any real taste in what good movies should be. (he liked it, according to his Facebook status) Megan Fox is still hot trash. I can't believe any guy with standards would still find her attractive.

Definitely NOT recommended for kids. For everyone else, if you must go, unplug your brain first.





*SPOILERS BELOW, AND A LIST OF OTHER THINGS THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE*




















- Running gags about dogs humping? This stuff is still considered funny?
- Gratuitous booty-shot aiming on behalf of the camera crew
- Why are his parents so dumb? (especially the mother, until it comes time to be spr srs)
- The U.S. Military only recruits male models now, apparently, and we see the elite team once again headed up by Tad Hamilton.
- Why is no one freaking out about the one Decepticon's ability to look like a human being? If they were smart, they'd do it more often.
- An "ancient" Transformer... and he has a metal beard? Really?
- This ancient guy has the ability to simply "poof" to wherever he wants? Really?
- EVERYTHING BLOWS UP
- Sam takes his hat off twice in the deli
- Why do these Transformers have stupid, localized accents? Ghetto car robots speaking urban and having gold teeth? Yikes.
- Sam gets blasted by shrapnel, only to revive after a completely unnecessary mush scene and an out-of-nowhere THIS IS YOUR DESTINY vision? Mmm-kay.
- EVERYTHING BLOWS UP AGAIN



solomonsprayer -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (6/29/2009 8:00:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ManimalX

Transformers 2: If it is possible for a movie to be worse than Transformers 1 and Terminator: Salvation, this is it. They should have renamed it "Transformers 2: Restraining Megan Fox's Ugly Fake Boobs While While She Wears Retardedly Unrealistic Skimpy Outfits In Ultra Slo-Mo". Save your $.

After the stupid Transformers 1, I swore I would never go see a sequel. Well, I went to see it to my everlasting shame. What a poorly written piece of over-sexualization and vulgar language packaged into a $100 Million+ special effects package. The only redeeming qualities were excellent special fx and some sympathetic characters (hint: not LaButt or NotAFox)

I feel several degrees stupider after seeing this poor excuse for a sci-fi flick. (See, I now even use words like "stupider"...)



Might you elaborate on what made the movie so bad? I haven't seen it yet.

Are there sex scenes? If so, I might want to avoid. Was the action good/bad? Was the story good/bad? Was the acting good/bad?......

I personally have mixed feelings about Shia Lebauaeof (spelling?) ....I liked him when he was less of a star and appeared in movies as a kind of likeable nice naive teen. He seemed to have a innonence that was endearing and fun to watch. Now that he's super big-budget I have liked him less. I think he's in too many movies and also doesn't always fit the part.

I wasn't a fan of the storyline in Transformers 1, but I did like the action. The acting, though, was horrible in the first one IMO.

Are you saying the story, acting, and action are worse in Transofrmers 2? ....The action looked cool in previes, but without a good story or acting I think it'd be pointless and unsatisfying.

I also have mixed feelings about Ms. Megan Fox. I think he's got some of the acting and looks qualities I liked in Shia when I first saw them on screen. She seems like a nice and innocent person with a good nature, but then I feel Hollywood oversexualizes her and makes her into a kind of stereotypical "dumb blonde" (even though she's not blonde) kind of girl/character. ...At that point, it can really make the characters really annoying. I hope that's not the case with Transformers 2, but I will wait a while to see it. I'm not that excited and can wait until DVD perhaps. I'd rather see GI JOE. [8D]



everythingat -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (6/29/2009 10:02:49 PM)

After seeing Shia say he would have sex with his mother if she wasn't his mother, I think I can pass on just about anything else he will ever star in.

The first one stunk. Why should this one be any different? Star Trek was the action movie of the summer to beat, and so far...everyone has failed miserably.



rawr.ben -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (6/30/2009 3:22:59 AM)

I just like robots *shrugs*



ManimalX -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (6/30/2009 3:34:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rawr.ben

I just like robots *shrugs*


Ditto. Which is why it royally stinks (edited for TOS purposes) when folks take one of the BEST robot stories EVER and turn it into crass, sexualized elephant poo (edited for TOS purposes).

Ewww.... [sm=icon_smile_dead.gif]



solomonsprayer -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (6/30/2009 5:21:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: everythingat

After seeing Shia say he would have sex with his mother if she wasn't his mother, I think I can pass on just about anything else he will ever star in.



I looked it up. Shia later says that he was just sort of giving his mom "props." ....Like making her feel good by saying she's sexing and that he'd go for her if she wasn't his mom. ...

Having said that, I saw that he said he was raised very liberally and saw his mother and her friends naked at times when he was young. ...That is really weird. ...

I know Shia clarified the sex with mom stuff, but it's still creepy to say the least. A normal person with a physically attractive parent wouldn't say what he said, even if joking or not compltely serious. ...It's just way too odd. A normal person might say "My mom is very pretty...." ..Or even "My mom is attractive/hot"......but NOT that they'd hook up with their own mother.

I also vaguely remember reading that Megan Fox is bi-sexual and has had lesbian relationships? .....True?......(too lazy to check )........If so, that's a bit weird for both Shia and Megan, LOL.



nuclear_sidewalk -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (6/30/2009 7:53:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer

I also vaguely remember reading that Megan Fox is bi-sexual and has had lesbian relationships? .....True?......(too lazy to check )........If so, that's a bit weird for both Shia and Megan, LOL.


Yes, I believe so. That's a big reason why I don't like her. I'm pretty sure she's one of those girls who does these things to appear hotter to worldly guys, or otherwise get attention.



todd_t -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (6/30/2009 7:36:42 PM)

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Transformers 2: If it is possible for a movie to be worse than Transformers 1 and Terminator: Salvation, this is it. They should have renamed it "Transformers 2: Restraining Megan Fox's Ugly Fake Boobs While While She Wears Retardedly Unrealistic Skimpy Outfits In Ultra Slo-Mo". Save your $.


I actually thought "Salvation" wasn't half-bad, but I'm hearing awful things about "Transformers 2," even from fanboys. But it's a Michael Bay film. Should anyone expect anything less?

The man is a Hollywood gold mine, and talented cameraman, but an awful director and storyteller.

In short, Bay cut his teeth doing TV commercials, and that's all his movies look like - although I think "The Rock" is okay, and "Armageddon" a movie that's so bad, it's sometimes fun to watch.



jazzact13 -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (7/2/2009 3:45:30 PM)

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- An "ancient" Transformer... and he has a metal beard? Really?


Hey, that was probably me favorite character in the movie. Bollux!! And the part about his father being the first wheel was funny, too.



RubySparkles -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (7/3/2009 6:23:49 PM)

**********SPOILERS***********

I liked the girl decepticon, wasn't expecting that. I didn't get the point of the massive robot made of three cars.

The last 30 minutes were less than thrilling so I kept dozing off despite the noise.

Megan Fox could have a great career as a model.



billbaileybfafan -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (7/5/2009 5:19:27 PM)

The biggest thing that surprised and saddened me about this film was the adult content. The first had a couple of bad words and a little adult themed content, but this one was chocked full of it.
There was lots of bad language in it.
The mom eating the pot brownies, the dogs doing the nasty, the little robot truck doing the same to Megan Fox's leg. The human transformer period, and most of all the foul mouthed ghetto twins.
When you take a kid's cartoon and turn it to a movie, you really ought to think about the audience that the name will draw.



todd_t -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (7/6/2009 11:40:00 AM)

I finally knuckled under and saw it yesterday. I thought it was okay - not great, but not too memorable.

In other words, vintage Michael Bay.



Tinkerbell_ -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (7/6/2009 11:56:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BillBaileyBFAFan

The biggest thing that surprised and saddened me about this film was the adult content. The first had a couple of bad words and a little adult themed content, but this one was chocked full of it.
There was lots of bad language in it.
The mom eating the pot brownies, the dogs doing the nasty, the little robot truck doing the same to Megan Fox's leg. The human transformer period, and most of all the foul mouthed ghetto twins.
When you take a kid's cartoon and turn it to a movie, you really ought to think about the audience that the name will draw.

I will say that they are geared towards the target audience. My children had never heard of Transformers until the movies came out. I'm the one who grew up on them, and I'm the one who wanted to see the movie more than they did.



jodavi -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (7/6/2009 2:37:54 PM)

'saw it yesterday and it was just one of those summer popcorn flicks. A lot of explosions and such...worth watching in a big screen.



ik3900 -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (7/6/2009 5:05:35 PM)

The gratuitous sexual overtones were not what I was expecting and since I went to see the film with my dad I felt pretty uncomfortable at times. Superbad and American Pie are some of my favourite films but you know what to expect with them and I wouldn't watch them with my parents. I was caught a bit off guard by Tr2 (my own fault really). The humping dogs were especially vile.

That said, I did enjoy the film overall. Good action and effects. I would have preferred a little less Baywatch though.



billbaileybfafan -> RE: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (7/6/2009 7:55:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tinkerbell_

quote:

ORIGINAL: BillBaileyBFAFan

The biggest thing that surprised and saddened me about this film was the adult content. The first had a couple of bad words and a little adult themed content, but this one was chocked full of it.
There was lots of bad language in it.
The mom eating the pot brownies, the dogs doing the nasty, the little robot truck doing the same to Megan Fox's leg. The human transformer period, and most of all the foul mouthed ghetto twins.
When you take a kid's cartoon and turn it to a movie, you really ought to think about the audience that the name will draw.

I will say that they are geared towards the target audience. My children had never heard of Transformers until the movies came out. I'm the one who grew up on them, and I'm the one who wanted to see the movie more than they did.


My kids love the Transformers cartoons, and there are new ones on tv now also, but I do agree that the original show was my generation!!! and I loved the show.



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