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Fritzpw_Admin -> How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/26/2009 9:12:47 AM)

I think few people can argue that Michael Jackson was a musical legend. But how did he influence contemporary Christian music?



iluvatar -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/26/2009 9:25:24 AM)

Michael Jackson influences secular pop, which is then cloned by "Christian" pop.

-Dan.



mapachito13 -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/26/2009 9:37:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: iluvatar

Michael Jackson influences secular pop, which is then cloned by "Christian" pop.

-Dan.


There are only a few Christian bands that could be considered groundbreaking (U2, Beanbag, Project 86 and P.O.D. quickly come to mind) and they are usually ignored by the CCM fans once they become popular in the secular realm. I agree, Dan, CCM music is, most of the time, the follower of what's going on in the secular arena.

I can't name which CCM artists were influenced by MJ but I am sure there are more than a few.



uncabeeil -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/26/2009 10:06:20 AM)

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I can't name which CCM artists were influenced by MJ but I am sure there are more than a few.
I think you'll find a lot more contemporary Gospel artists that MJ influenced than you will CCM. Folks like Mandisa, George Huff, Reuben Studdard, Mary Mary, and Out of Eden were more likely influenced by him since they have a heavier R&B influence. I don't hear much MJ in acts like Casting Crowns, Mercy Me, Jeremy Camp, Nicole Nordman, etc. Maybe as far as videos go he had a bigger influence in CCM, but I don't watch videos so I don't really know.



stellaluna -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/26/2009 11:03:30 AM)

I agree with Bill.

But inasmuch as Micheal influenced the video industry, he influenced all music.



humbleinspirit -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/27/2009 12:48:41 AM)

MJ may have helped Amy Grant get her mainstream start.



More_Cowbell57 -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/28/2009 10:23:42 AM)

Use of MIDI sequencing and heavy keyboard dominance was an industry-wide sweep driven by availability of new technology, not one man's clever implementation of it. Everybody was exploring new territory with the new tools



humbleinspirit -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/28/2009 2:17:15 PM)

Come to think of it, I am very sure that Jon Gibson really got help from MJ as well. He was one of the very first R&B Pop stars for CCM. He even helped get MC Hammer his start too!



Astek -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/29/2009 4:46:20 AM)

I'd say Jackson's major influence was less on the Gospel side or on the country/soft Rock side of CCM and more on the pure Pop side. Acts like Stacie Orrico, Rachael Lampa, Zoegirl and even Rebecca St James.

The style Jackson's innovated was an R & B/Soft Rock fusion at a fast action packed pace.



PHmosh1 -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/29/2009 7:41:49 AM)

I would imagine that Family Force 5 would count Michael Jackson as an influence.



wareaglekd -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/29/2009 9:34:19 AM)

I would think that he mostly influenced individuals, but not necessary the genre as a whole.

Just a bit of trivia, in case you didn't know - the song "Gone to Soon" that has been made famous through the Caylee Anthony funeral & heard often on Nancy Grace, was written by Michael Jackson. I assume this song may be common at many funerals, including Christian. Michael wrote the song for the funeral of Ryan White, the boy that died from AIDS due to a blood transfusion. It's a beautiful song & shows another side to Michael's talent. So, we can probably say that even particular songs written by him, but not necessarily performed by him have reached the CCM genre. k



dctalkgirl -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/29/2009 11:26:35 PM)

I'm not quite sure on this one, I will have to think first.



Stratplayer -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (6/30/2009 3:59:43 PM)

I think that Michael Jackson has influenced and inspired a host of musicians all accross the spectrum. But there is nobody that I can think of that sounds like him. He was unique. Perhaps if he had gone into producing, you'd hear that "Michael Jackson sound". Prince, for example, gave us the Minneapolis sound through acts such as The Time, The Family, Jessie Johnson and varous artists that he produced or that had some association with him. Even R. Kelley (yeah, I know but....) has had an influence in R&B and Urban gospel via tracks he produced for Trinity 5:7 and his inspirational hit "I Believe I Can Fly".

I never really considered myself a Michael Jackson fan and when I was growing up, the guys used to have some good laughs at his expense....mostly revolving around his perceived homosexuality - the girls loved him though. I knew this one girl in my class that would beat you donw to a pulp if you talked bad about her baby. But we all loved his music and his dancing. It wasn't untill a few years ago that I really startred to appreciate his music and like the rest of the world, I'm just in shock that he died. Michael was a timeless figure; the fact that he was 50-years old was like "wow; he's really that old?".

RIP, Michael - thanks for the music and the memories.



Astek -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (7/1/2009 3:11:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Stratplayer

I think that Michael Jackson has influenced and inspired a host of musicians all accross the spectrum. But there is nobody that I can think of that sounds like him. He was unique. Perhaps if he had gone into producing, you'd hear that "Michael Jackson sound". Prince, for example, gave us the Minneapolis sound through acts such as The Time, The Family, Jessie Johns and varous artists that he produced or that had some association with him. Even R. Kelley (yeah, I know but....) has had an influence in R&B and Urban gospel via tracks he produced for Trinity 5:7 and his inspirational hit "I Believe I Can Fly".

I never really considered myself a Michael Jackson fan and when I was growing up, the guys used to have some good laughs at his expense....mostly revolving around his perceived homosexuality - the girls loved him though. I knew this one girl in my class that would beat you donw to a pulp if you talked bad about her baby. But we all loved his music and his dancing. It wasn't untill a few years ago that I really startred to appreciate his music and like the rest of the world, I'm just in shock that he died. Michael was a timeless figure; the fact that he was 50-years old was like "wow; he's really that old?".

RIP, Michael - thanks for the music and the memories.




lol You sure you didn't grow up with 90's Jackson? nah, you know about the Minneapolis sound, you had to grow up in the 80's. Guess you had a unique circle of friends. The 80's was the cult of Michael Jackson, most males and females alike were transfixed. It seriously almost got to the point of idolatry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBBLMpzLbkc


In my house it was "the devil's music" though.



mapachito13 -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (7/1/2009 10:49:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Astek

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stratplayer

I think that Michael Jackson has influenced and inspired a host of musicians all accross the spectrum. But there is nobody that I can think of that sounds like him. He was unique. Perhaps if he had gone into producing, you'd hear that "Michael Jackson sound". Prince, for example, gave us the Minneapolis sound through acts such as The Time, The Family, Jessie Johns and varous artists that he produced or that had some association with him. Even R. Kelley (yeah, I know but....) has had an influence in R&B and Urban gospel via tracks he produced for Trinity 5:7 and his inspirational hit "I Believe I Can Fly".

I never really considered myself a Michael Jackson fan and when I was growing up, the guys used to have some good laughs at his expense....mostly revolving around his perceived homosexuality - the girls loved him though. I knew this one girl in my class that would beat you donw to a pulp if you talked bad about her baby. But we all loved his music and his dancing. It wasn't untill a few years ago that I really startred to appreciate his music and like the rest of the world, I'm just in shock that he died. Michael was a timeless figure; the fact that he was 50-years old was like "wow; he's really that old?".

RIP, Michael - thanks for the music and the memories.




lol You sure you didn't grow up with 90's Jackson? nah, you know about the Minneapolis sound, you had to grow up in the 80's. Guess you had a unique circle of friends. The 80's was the cult of Michael Jackson, most males and females alike were transfixed. It seriously almost got to the point of idolatry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBBLMpzLbkc


In my house it was "the devil's music" though.


How would you describe the difference between 80's and 90's Jackson? His musical style, IMO, didn't change although he liked to do duets. His main difference was in his physical appearance as his skin became "paler" and his nose became narrower, and his bank account became emptier.



humbleinspirit -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (7/2/2009 7:59:44 AM)

One thing that MJ surely did influence was the Christian charity record that came out back in 1985? Remember The Cause (Christian Artists United to Save The Earth) "Do Something Now?"



uncgurl639 -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (7/4/2009 11:16:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PHmosh1

I would imagine that Family Force 5 would count Michael Jackson as an influence.

Yes they do.



friend2every1 -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (7/5/2009 10:07:55 PM)

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MJ may have helped Amy Grant get her mainstream start


This may be partially true, b/c she did have more provocative clothing in videos like Find a Way and Baby Baby. MJ did have a sense of fashion, I must say that. He also could have influenced the harder beats of her music in songs such as Wise Up, Love Can Do, Find a Way, Who To Listen To, Everwhere I Go, etc.

She probably saw a lot of his videos before she was in mainstream, to see how he dressed and stuff. She went along the lines of Well, I gotta find some way to make those sinners listen to me. Like the Bible says, Follow Me and I will make you fishers of men.

Luke 14:23 And the LORD told his servant, "Go to the roads and paths! Urge the people to come to My house. I want it to be full."

Amy Grant did plenty of that. That's what we all should be doing, MAKING unbelivers LISTEN to us. That is a clear command from the Bible.



wareaglekd -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (7/6/2009 11:12:48 AM)

Perhaps that should be done outside the Staples Center tomorrow. The idol in MJ has been been moved higher than it ever was while he was alive. Looks like a lot of fans treat him like he's a savior or something. Rev. Sharpton's sermon yesterday was like that too. There are a lot of lost MJ fans! k



Astek -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (7/13/2009 6:08:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wareaglekd

Perhaps that should be done outside the Staples Center tomorrow. The idol in MJ has been been moved higher than it ever was while he was alive. Looks like a lot of fans treat him like he's a savior or something. Rev. Sharpton's sermon yesterday was like that too. There are a lot of lost MJ fans! k




lol Nah, nowhere near what it was in his prime (as in that clip i posted earlier) but yeah, idolatry just the same.



Astek -> RE: How did Michael Jackson Influence CCM? (7/13/2009 6:18:40 AM)

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How would you describe the difference between 80's and 90's Jackson? His musical style, IMO, didn't change although he liked to do duets. His main difference was in his physical appearance as his skin became "paler" and his nose became narrower, and his bank account became emptier.



Well I was talking about the difference in the attitude toward him in the 80's vs the 90's.

As for your question, I'd say stylistically he changed with every album. Thriller was a mainly an upbeat R & B album with a little Rock and disco influence. Bad was more of a Pop-Rock album, and Dangerous (in the 90's) played on the whole "New Jack Swing" style that was popular at the time


Bad, Dangerous, Invincible lol there was nowhere else for him to go with his next album except for "omnipotent".



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