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Lapidoth -> Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/26/2009 4:44:55 PM)

I was channel hopping last night and ran across
Grant Jeffries. I can only tolerate his circle of friends
for a few moments at a time, but he was explaining
the "last trump."

Naturally the explanation is born from his doctrines.

He says it's one of two silver trumpets.

The "first" trumpet calls everyone to get ready.
The "last" trumpet calls everyone to go.
He says the trumpets of Revelation have nothing to
do with the "last trump."

So, I write him off explaining away others ideas to
re-enforce his own.



Qtman -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/26/2009 4:50:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

I was channel hopping last night and ran across
Grant Jeffries. I can only tolerate his circle of friends
for a few moments at a time, but he was explaining
the "last trump."

Naturally the explanation is born from his doctrines.

He says it's one of two silver trumpets.

The "first" trumpet calls everyone to get ready.
The "last" trumpet calls everyone to go.


Well he is mistaken. He left out the one for get ready. It should be between the first and the last.



Lapidoth -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/26/2009 4:55:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Qtman

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

I was channel hopping last night and ran across
Grant Jeffries. I can only tolerate his circle of friends
for a few moments at a time, but he was explaining
the "last trump."

Naturally the explanation is born from his doctrines.

He says it's one of two silver trumpets.

The "first" trumpet calls everyone to get ready.
The "last" trumpet calls everyone to go.


Well he is mistaken. He left out the one for get ready. It should be between the first and the last.


There you go, 1) get ready 2) get set 3) "go" (rapture)



navyblueret -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/26/2009 5:27:58 PM)

Wrong, wrong, wrong! One for the money, two for the show, three to make ready and four to go. I don't know how many times I said, or heard that over my minimal lifetime [:D] That always worked until that little old lady asked where the beef was. Pooof, Great saying, BBQ'd.

Grant Jeffries said: "The "first" trumpet calls everyone to get ready.
The "last" trumpet calls everyone to go. "?? The only place I know of that owns what is called the 'Last Trump' is Yom Teruah (Rosh Hashanah), and there are 99 blown before the 'Last' Trump. That is a whole lot of 'False Starts,' in my book. Ha[;)] Nice try Mr. Grant Jeffries, but no 'cigar.'

In Messiah. Arley



Retrobyter -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/26/2009 11:42:09 PM)

Shabbat shalom, Arley.

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ORIGINAL: navyblueret

Wrong, wrong, wrong! One for the money, two for the show, three to make ready and four to go. I don't know how many times I said, or heard that over my minimal lifetime [:D] That always worked until that little old lady asked where the beef was. Pooof, Great saying, BBQ'd.

Grant Jeffries said: "The "first" trumpet calls everyone to get ready.
The "last" trumpet calls everyone to go. "?? The only place I know of that owns what is called the 'Last Trump' is Yom Teruah (Rosh Hashanah), and there are 99 blown before the 'Last' Trump. That is a whole lot of 'False Starts,' in my book. Ha[;)] Nice try Mr. Grant Jeffries, but no 'cigar.'

In Messiah. Arley


Yes, you're right about Yom Teru'ah. There are four basic shofar blasts:

1) The Tekiah which is a short blast,
2) The Shevarim which are three short blasts (distinct from the first),
3) The Teruah which is 9 quick succession tones, and
4) The Tekiah haGadolah which is a long, loud blast.

These are done in a particular order on Yom Teru'ah to make the total of 99 blasts blown on the shofar before the final Tekiah haGadolah, the "Last Trump."

Shofars were used to call all Isra'el together for assemblies, to signal the beginning of a holiday, to call to battle, and to warn of impending doom. The last reason is like our air-raid sirens. THIS is the shofar that I believe is mentioned in the Revelation, especially for the main 7 that warn of judgment. It's a warning siren, much like our sirens warning of tornados and other foul weather, and considering that the first five are warning of meteorite strikes, one could even yell, "INCOMING!"

In the Messiah's love,

Roy



yohannan -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/27/2009 5:44:48 PM)

The number of the trumpets for the fulfillment of the Feast of the Trumpets is 7 as written as trumpets and 7 bowls of the Seventh Seal of the Great Tribulation period of 1215 days; if there is a leap year; this includes the Armageddon battle of the return of the gathered elect from the four corners of earth in raptura caught up to meet Him and Resurrection of any that were resting in the dust(not all will rest, for some will be changed in the gathering as Moses and Elijah and Apostles and elders etc and Martyrs) and the ends of Heaven as written to fight the fallen allied powers and peoples to establish The Millennium Reign in battle armor Spiritual from God in the glory and To The Glory of God.

Where the unfolding events could be read in overall worldwide context:

WWI: trumpet 1
WWII: trumpet 2
WWIII: trumpet 3 where three is much more tribulation
gog and Magog war at Jerusalem after The Millennium Reign as written: trumpet 4

This is a fulfillment going forward unfolding as Joshua who is named as Yeshua was Commanded to encircle the city called Jerico 7 times blowing the announcement horn of the shofar or the Trumpet of the Judgment (decision in Jesus' court) bestowed upon the prefect construct city called ,in that day, a kingdom.

The walls were measured for protective qualities by the plumb line of the Prophets and were found to be torn down and given to another peoples to inhabit for a time is The Prophets, for the rivers were not at aqueduct found sufficient to maintain the wells in the city, for the benefit of the city as a whole is written. Not by 'might' which is to say not positions of the color of authority already bestowed and entrusted for it is given that those who are bestowed must prove to be faithful with that trust or stand in the valley for the decision, not by someones powers and guns, but by The Spirit of God.

Let the nations be gathered into the valley who had oppressed many with their ways in their to face the decision renderred, for what did they have concerning or against Me that they were entrusted with these decisions from before?

For didn't God already write Joel for Us and Jesus, that I had already rendered due things regarding some and I Will have Mercy upon those whom I will be Merciful to is written. And, these that were already rendered may find Mercy in My Court is the balance of things for they already faced situations is the completion balance consideration written in Joel. For some were written to sell men out into problems, these were proud about as though had a justification for undue oppressive behaviors towards some peoples; this is not the whole Testimony of the Prophets.

For the outward appearances of gaining the decision for Empire does not speak to the eternal reward at all times. For what can be exchanged for a persons benefits is written. What can be gained by selling men out to act proud about it and parade is a consideration as well, when ones very soul can be weighed about it. However, these Gardens must be maintained it is one of ancient wonders of the world called the hanging gardens of Babylon and these had chariot races and competitions on the wall as in Rome.

These waters were diverted for a really wicked Prince became king who dedicated himself to an evil prince in the spiritual, and the decision was rendered upon by God. The river was diverted and Persia was given their turn for Empire. The walls will be measured and the cisterns is the Prophets.

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ORIGINAL: navyblueret

Wrong, wrong, wrong! One for the money, two for the show, three to make ready and four to go. I don't know how many times I said, or heard that over my minimal lifetime [:D] That always worked until that little old lady asked where the beef was. Pooof, Great saying, BBQ'd.

Grant Jeffries said: "The "first" trumpet calls everyone to get ready.
The "last" trumpet calls everyone to go. "?? The only place I know of that owns what is called the 'Last Trump' is Yom Teruah (Rosh Hashanah), and there are 99 blown before the 'Last' Trump. That is a whole lot of 'False Starts,' in my book. Ha[;)] Nice try Mr. Grant Jeffries, but no 'cigar.'

In Messiah. Arley



TheosCentric -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/28/2009 6:55:21 AM)

I know of 7 trumpets mentioned in Revelation. Paul speaks of the last trump as being the one that the angel blows as Jesus is descending. If you examine the events after the 7th in Revelation, one will see that this can only be the same trump that Paul is speaking of.

14? uhuh..
3? uhuh..
99? uhuh..

7 trumpets, with us meeting with Jesus on the last



Ezra -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/28/2009 11:59:55 PM)

I know little or nothing about Grant Jeffries. However, I do know one thing which is that too many Christians are confusing and confounding the "last trump" mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:52 with the trumpet judgments of the book of Revelation.

Just because the word "trumpet" is used does not mean that it is speaking of the same event or the same trumpet in both places. So if we focus on the context of 1 Cor. 15:52 (which is the entire fifteenth chapter), we have no reason to connect "the last trump" with any of the trumpet judgments of Revelation.

"The last trump" is clearly related to the resurrection of believers who have died in Christ, and at the same time the transformation and translation of believers who are alive at the time when Christ returns for His saints. Since they are not subject to wrath, this trumpet has nothing to do with the trumpet judgments of God's wrath.

One may therefore call the "last trump" the call for all believers to be raised from the dead. But since "we shall not all sleep" it is also a call to all living believers at that time to rise with them to meet Christ in the air (1 Thess. 4:13-18). In this passage we read of "the voice of the archangel and the trump of God".



TheosCentric -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/29/2009 5:45:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ezra

I know little or nothing about Grant Jeffries. However, I do know one thing which is that too many Christians are confusing and confounding the "last trump" mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:52 with the trumpet judgments of the book of Revelation.

Just because the word "trumpet" is used does not mean that it is speaking of the same event or the same trumpet in both places. So if we focus on the context of 1 Cor. 15:52 (which is the entire fifteenth chapter), we have no reason to connect "the last trump" with any of the trumpet judgments of Revelation.

"The last trump" is clearly related to the resurrection of believers who have died in Christ, and at the same time the transformation and translation of believers who are alive at the time when Christ returns for His saints. Since they are not subject to wrath, this trumpet has nothing to do with the trumpet judgments of God's wrath.

One may therefore call the "last trump" the call for all believers to be raised from the dead. But since "we shall not all sleep" it is also a call to all living believers at that time to rise with them to meet Christ in the air (1 Thess. 4:13-18). In this passage we read of "the voice of the archangel and the trump of God".


But all that has to be seen through Darbian pre-trib rapture lenses first though... [8|]



bob97 -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/29/2009 10:39:32 AM)

If one wants to understand more about the trumpets of end times study Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.

Bob



TheosCentric -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/29/2009 11:00:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bob97

If one wants to understand more about the trumpets of end times study Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.

Bob


I think I'll stick with the Bible. Thanks.



bob97 -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/29/2009 1:40:16 PM)

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I think I'll stick with the Bible. Thanks.


You don't think that Gods feasts are biblical?

Bob



TheosCentric -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/29/2009 1:45:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bob97

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I think I'll stick with the Bible. Thanks.


You don't think that Gods feasts are biblical?

Bob


The ones in the Bible are. Not ones that come from Jewish traditions.



yohannan -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/29/2009 8:11:33 PM)

The Judean 'traditions' as you have mentioned have the flavor that their people were given and could be responded to with the same accorded other communities Holidays including the Christmas; which is not biblical; per se; in its origin but has its place in Prophecy as those who celebrate in this manner worldwide after all of the wickedness that the ten leaders had done to others who resisted taking the mark of the number of the name of the false prophet as a form of worshipping Mammon instead of The Bread of Life Manna in the Spiritual Word. For God Must be worshipped in Spirit and in Truth neither on this hill nor in this or that temple. For people will not, necessarily, have the eternal life by provisions of these natures alone. But I AM THE LIFE is written, every Word that comes from Me is The Life. In the beginning was The Word and The Word was with God and The Word was God, rejoicing in His Works in the beginning and His delight is on the law of The Lord and He meditates upon it day and night. I desire Mercy, not sacrifice is The Way. Blessed are the Merciful, for they will be shown Mercy (The Bema Seat).


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ORIGINAL: TheosCentric

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ORIGINAL: bob97

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I think I'll stick with the Bible. Thanks.


You don't think that Gods feasts are biblical?

Bob


The ones in the Bible are. Not ones that come from Jewish traditions.



Retrobyter -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/29/2009 10:17:19 PM)

Shalom, TheosCentric.

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ORIGINAL: TheosCentric

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ORIGINAL: bob97

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I think I'll stick with the Bible. Thanks.


You don't think that Gods feasts are biblical?

Bob


The ones in the Bible are. Not ones that come from Jewish traditions.


NEWS FLASH! The ones in Jewish traditions ARE the ones in the Bible! They speak Hebrew; they read Hebrew; they can understand the Tanakh (the Old Testament) about God's feasts MUCH better than we can! Now, they may not know that those feasts are representative of the Messiah and His Comings, but they KNOW how to observe them!

We could learn a lot about the feasts from the Jews!

In the Messiah's love,

Roy



bob97 -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (6/30/2009 12:13:32 AM)

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Jewish traditions


I think there is much to learn from Jewish tradition because God has instructed the Jews to pass on their tradition from one generation to the next.


Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. 19And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 20And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates: 21That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth. Deuteronomy 11:18-21 ( KJV )

Lets not think that we have all the knowledge locked up...

Bob



Lapidoth -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (7/1/2009 4:36:21 PM)

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I know little or nothing about Grant Jeffries.


One doesn't have to know him, just that he uses the same Darby handbook.
And continually has to rewrite and/or tweak the doctrines to stay afloat.

As our Hebraic Heritage has been lost, it's not a wonder that so few even
know anything about the "trumpets, etc." and that makes it easy for Grant
Jeffries and the like to just say whatever they want to keep up their philosophy.

Once I decided to "stick with the Bible" then the Heritage comes back and
things are much more clearer. I'm shouted down, but that's okay, I was using
the Darby handbook for decades myself.

May the LORD keep and bless us one and all.



deborlie -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (7/2/2009 10:53:43 PM)

quote:

However, I do know one thing which is that too many Christians are confusing and confounding the "last trump" mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:52 with the trumpet judgments of the book of Revelation.

Just because the word "trumpet" is used does not mean that it is speaking of the same event or the same trumpet in both places. So if we focus on the context of 1 Cor. 15:52 (which is the entire fifteenth chapter), we have no reason to connect "the last trump" with any of the trumpet judgments of Revelation.

"The last trump" is clearly related to the resurrection of believers who have died in Christ, and at the same time the transformation and translation of believers who are alive at the time when Christ returns for His saints. Since they are not subject to wrath, this trumpet has nothing to do with the trumpet judgments of God's wrath.

One may therefore call the "last trump" the call for all believers to be raised from the dead. But since "we shall not all sleep" it is also a call to all living believers at that time to rise with them to meet Christ in the air (1 Thess. 4:13-18). In this passage we read of "the voice of the archangel and the trump of God".


My vote is with Ezra. I've been wanting to say what he has pointed out for a long while now.

bj



yohannan -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (7/3/2009 3:16:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: deborlie

quote:

However, I do know one thing which is that too many Christians are confusing and confounding the "last trump" mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:52 with the trumpet judgments of the book of Revelation.

Just because the word "trumpet" is used does not mean that it is speaking of the same event or the same trumpet in both places. So if we focus on the context of 1 Cor. 15:52 (which is the entire fifteenth chapter), we have no reason to connect "the last trump" with any of the trumpet judgments of Revelation.

"The last trump" is clearly related to the resurrection of believers who have died in Christ, and at the same time the transformation and translation of believers who are alive at the time when Christ returns for His saints. Since they are not subject to wrath, this trumpet has nothing to do with the trumpet judgments of God's wrath.

One may therefore call the "last trump" the call for all believers to be raised from the dead. But since "we shall not all sleep" it is also a call to all living believers at that time to rise with them to meet Christ in the air (1 Thess. 4:13-18). In this passage we read of "the voice of the archangel and the trump of God".


My vote is with Ezra. I've been wanting to say what he has pointed out for a long while now.

bj


This trumpet would be the first trumpet of the Revelation and at the Armageddon the elect will return to fight the peoples who followed the false prophet who implemented the mark of the number of his name as a form of worship claiming to be greater than any God and blaspheming and saying unheard of things concerning the God Most High for 42 months along with the ten worldwide rulers as written.



Uriah -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (7/3/2009 12:29:12 PM)

I still haven't seen an adequate response to the things I have shown in the past regarding the last trumpet. Here it goes again:

First, the claim that the 7th trumpet and last trumpet cannot be the same because one book was written later does not hold water. It ASSUMES that the Corinthians knew nothing about trumpets in the last days. The fact that Paul refers only to the LAST trumpet can be counted as evidence that they understood there would be others first. Perhaps even 7! We just don't know.

Next, if you look at the passages Paul is quoting from in Isaiah, you will see THIS is where he gets the idea of a great trumpet (Is. 27:13). Now it just so happens that Isaiah declares that "in that day" the dragon will be punished!!! So we should stop pretending it is NOT at the end. Paul QUOTES this section regarding death being swallowed up!

Right before this passage Isaiah tells of dead men living again! Of course we can see at the 7th trumpet the dead are judged and His servants are rewarded. This requires a resurrection! For there to be a resurrection BEFORE this, we need multiple raptures, (first) resurrections, reward sessions, re-creations, inaugurations of reign etc.



yohannan -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (7/3/2009 8:38:43 PM)

The first resurrection (for not all will sleep is written and those under the Altar as to be absent from the body is to be present with The One who is OmniPresent (for was He not present when the rich man and lazarus was given in parable before both lazarus and the 'rich' man?) Who Will Be Who He Will Be or The One Who Will Be; asking Justice for the wrongful death and those transformed and 'catching up' or caught up to meet Him in the air of the Martyrs of the fifth seal event fulfillment of the fullness of the events leading up to the sixth seal following 44 1/2 months of the worldwide trial of the mark of the number of the name of the false prophet who implements this restricted form of commerce worship to himself will fulfill Isaiah's dry bones Prophecy as written and complete the Scepter division for Ephraim whereby the younger will rule over the elder as Prophesied through Joseph. This is so that this time culmination and all during the time of Jacob's trouble and struggles with peoples and God and evil forces of wickedness since Abel until Zechariah will come upon this Ephraim as a trial for they will sell one another into the problems to gain a siding advantage, at times as a wind in sign of the times, is written as the fulfillment of then they will hand one another over to the authorities and that family members would betray one another to the death, but those who stand firm in not taking the mark to the end unto patient endurance and faithfulness on their part in commitment to The One Who is Greater regardless of situational politics will be saved and all of those who call upon The Name of The Lord Will be saved is written in those days for they will come at the appointed time. These have struggled and have overcome the evil one are those that are to be among The Fathers as written. I write to you dear Fathers for you have overcome the evil one. (from across all time periods to that day and The Father is continuing His Good Work even in these very days.)

These are those written to be found worthy of counted among the first resurrection for they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death as Daniel and The Apostles and Meschach and Abednego (as the bed of the month of the birthstone would be a fulfillment for this color stone which is to becoming the black Sardonyx which contains the name On for Egypt or Onyx).

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ORIGINAL: Uriah

I still haven't seen an adequate response to the things I have shown in the past regarding the last trumpet. Here it goes again:

First, the claim that the 7th trumpet and last trumpet cannot be the same because one book was written later does not hold water. It ASSUMES that the Corinthians knew nothing about trumpets in the last days. The fact that Paul refers only to the LAST trumpet can be counted as evidence that they understood there would be others first. Perhaps even 7! We just don't know.

Next, if you look at the passages Paul is quoting from in Isaiah, you will see THIS is where he gets the idea of a great trumpet (Is. 27:13). Now it just so happens that Isaiah declares that "in that day" the dragon will be punished!!! So we should stop pretending it is NOT at the end. Paul QUOTES this section regarding death being swallowed up!

Right before this passage Isaiah tells of dead men living again! Of course we can see at the 7th trumpet the dead are judged and His servants are rewarded. This requires a resurrection! For there to be a resurrection BEFORE this, we need multiple raptures, (first) resurrections, reward sessions, re-creations, inaugurations of reign etc.



Retrobyter -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (7/4/2009 9:28:41 AM)

Shabbat shalom, Yochannan.

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ORIGINAL: yohannan

The first resurrection (for not all will sleep is written and those under the Altar as to be absent from the body is to be present with The One who is OmniPresent (for was He not present when the rich man and lazarus was given in parable before both lazarus and the 'rich' man?) Who Will Be Who He Will Be or The One Who Will Be; asking Justice for the wrongful death and those transformed and 'catching up' or caught up to meet Him in the air of the Martyrs of the fifth seal event fulfillment of the fullness of the events leading up to the sixth seal following 44 1/2 months of the worldwide trial of the mark of the number of the name of the false prophet who implements this restricted form of commerce worship to himself will fulfill Isaiah's dry bones Prophecy as written and complete the Scepter division for Ephraim whereby the younger will rule over the elder as Prophesied through Joseph. This is so that this time culmination and all during the time of Jacob's trouble and struggles with peoples and God and evil forces of wickedness since Abel until Zechariah will come upon this Ephraim as a trial for they will sell one another into the problems to gain a siding advantage, at times as a wind in sign of the times, is written as the fulfillment of then they will hand one another over to the authorities and that family members would betray one another to the death, but those who stand firm in not taking the mark to the end unto patient endurance and faithfulness on their part in commitment to The One Who is Greater regardless of situational politics will be saved and all of those who call upon The Name of The Lord Will be saved is written in those days for they will come at the appointed time. These have struggled and have overcome the evil one are those that are to be among The Fathers as written. I write to you dear Fathers for you have overcome the evil one. (from across all time periods to that day and The Father is continuing His Good Work even in these very days.)

These are those written to be found worthy of counted among the first resurrection for they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death as Daniel and The Apostles and Meschach and Abednego (as the bed of the month of the birthstone would be a fulfillment for this color stone which is to becoming the black Sardonyx which contains the name On for Egypt or Onyx).


WOW! What a mouthful! You are aware that you don't have to say all you know about a subject in one breath, right? If you won't mind a piece of advice, say ONLY what needs to be said to address an issue and leave the rest for replies if the conversation veers in that direction. That way, one doesn't have to sift through your response for the relevant points.

Are you also known as "lelseep?"

I'll only get the simple thing out of the way: That's NOT the origin of the word "onyx" or its compound "sardonyx." "Onyx" is from the Greek word "onux" which means "nail" as a "fingernail" and is so named because it is a stone that is striped in different colors as is the fingernail: white, pink and white, for instance. "SARDonyx" is a stone that is striped with yellow or orange-red stripes, coming from the other Greek term "sardios," which is a yellow to orange-red semiprecious gem. Sardonyx is NOT "black," although there IS a black onyx. Today, a "sardius" stone is just called "sard" and you can see one at a jeweler's shop. (You MIGHT even be able to find a sardonyx there, as well as the onyx!) Now, unless you can find proof that the Greek's word for "fingernail" came from the Egyptian god "On" somehow, you should change your definition.

In the Messiah's love,

Roy



ta_mosquito -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (7/4/2009 10:13:14 AM)

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Are you also known as "lelseep?"

Yes, he is. You can look back to his old posts and see his handle is changed.

FYI.



Retrobyter -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (7/4/2009 11:00:49 PM)

Shalom, ta_mosquito.

Thank you. 'Nuff said.

In the Messiah's love,

Roy



deborlie -> RE: Grant Jeffries Explains "Last Trump" (7/5/2009 2:10:47 PM)

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Just because the word "trumpet" is used does not mean that it is speaking of the same event or the same trumpet in both places.



1 Thes 4:16. For the Lord Himself will descend form heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

Question: Where do you get the 'last' trump out of the above verse? Is someone adding the word 'last', where there is no such word given in that verse?
Couldn't "the trumpet of God' be just that..... A trumpet of God?
For my learning, I am wondering how this can be assumed?

curious,

bj



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