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ORIGINAL: stampinlady

What in the world does this have to do with the OP and anything in this thread?

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I am fully aware that God has set rules for the church and how to deal with sin,

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but this isn't what were talking about.

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AND no one can make another repent.

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ORIGINAL: doinkdom

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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe
I fully understand the Scripture I mentioned and I suggest you reread what I posted... God didn't confront Peter, Paul did... So Paul, a man USED BY GOD, was the means that led to Peter repenting... The church is to remove a person who will not repent first and foremost in hopes the person repents. That is the body of Christ, men/women, being the INSTRUMENT BY WHICH GOD WORKS SOMETIMES means that hopefully leads one to repentance GRANTED ONLY BY GOD... We don't make anyone repent, but it's not simply God's job TO USE WHOM HE CHOOSES as you first posted... It's in fact the job of the body, and at time bothers and sisters in Christ, as Paul did with Peter on a one one basis...TO LOVING CONFRONT, REPROOF, ETC.

I know I'm going to regret this...

but I corrected changed your statement above to reflect what stampinlady and myself might agree with. Scripture references below.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

2 Timothy 2:25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,

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ORIGINAL: doinkdom

God uses men to do His will...but the source is still God, not man.

like I said...

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ORIGINAL: doinkdom

I would agree...it's the justifying of negative comments about the dead by saying you are trying to spur someone onto repentence that led to all that.

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ORIGINAL: Mr.Dawgfan

It would be like me saying out of spite. Steve McNair deserved what he got. But that would be cold of me. In spite of the circumstances.

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ORIGINAL: Consecrated2God

This isn't about Michael Jackson per se, but about the deaths of the sinful in general. The Michael Jackson thread did get me to thinking about it again, but the same pattern has come up when other people have died or have been facing death. I remember similar comments being posted when Saddam Hussein was executed--that it was wrong to talk bad about him now that he was gone and that we should be said and pray for his family.

Does the Bible say that it is wrong to speak ill of the dead?

Is it worse to say something negative about a person after they are gone, or while they are still alive? I would think when they were dead it wouldn't matter anymore.

When they are dead, their fate is settled, one way or the other, so I'd think prayers at that point are pretty futile.

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ORIGINAL: Consecrated2God
If not the Bible, from where does the idea that we mustn't speak ill of the dead come?

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The Latin phrase de mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est is usually shortened to de mortuis nil nisi bonum or sometimes just nil nisi bonum. It is variously translated as "No one can speak ill of the dead," "Of the dead, speak no evil," or, more literally, "Let nothing be said of the dead but what is good."

This expression is used in modern parlance with two nearly contradictory significances. In legal contexts, it refers to the principle of British, American, and other legal systems that defaming a deceased person is not actionable. In colloquial contexts, it indicates that it is socially inappropriate to say anything negative about a (recently) deceased person.

The first recorded use of the phrase is by Diogenes Laertius in The Lives and Opinions of the Eminent Philosophers, where he attributes it to Chilon.

Another appearance in literature comes from Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s "Player Piano." Vonnegut uses the term in reference to a person who is being excluded from the group in power, rather than a deceased person.

A cinematic use appears early in the film, Lawrence of Arabia, during T. E. Lawrence's funeral scene. Two characters are looking at a bust of Lawrence and one, a clergyman, says, "Well, nil nisi bonum, but does he really deserve a place in here?" referring to St. Paul's Cathedral where the scene takes place.