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AMLee -> Let me just say this (6/27/2009 10:41:15 PM)

All of these "numbers" and "dates" and "signs" are pure nonsense. If God wanted us to know the exact date and time He would have told us but He didn't....He didn't even tell his own Son! And what does it matter....if your heart is right with God you shouldn't have a problem. And besides, none of us are promised tomorrow. You just might die before any of this comes to pass!



MrFribbles -> RE: Let me just say this (6/27/2009 11:12:02 PM)

Before people come on here and give every reason under the sun for why you're 1) misguided, 2) wrong, or 3) both, I just wanted to say I completely agree with you



yohannan -> RE: Let me just say this (6/27/2009 11:22:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AMLee

All of these "numbers" and "dates" and "signs" are pure nonsense. If God wanted us to know the exact date and time He would have told us but He didn't....He didn't even tell his own Son! And what does it matter....if your heart is right with God you shouldn't have a problem. And besides, none of us are promised tomorrow. You just might die before any of this comes to pass!

When there is a red light, people know that it is a sign to stop because even if they didnt have the training in what was meant, they would notice the behavior of other peoples as they respond to the signs. This is keeping order for God is a God of order is written.



MrFribbles -> RE: Let me just say this (6/27/2009 11:29:26 PM)

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When there is a red light, people know that it is a sign to stop because even if they didnt have the training in what was meant, they would notice the behavior of other peoples as they respond to the signs. This is keeping order for God is a God of order is written.


Then people have been stopping at green lights for the past 2,000 years.



musicboss11 -> RE: Let me just say this (6/28/2009 12:48:28 AM)

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All of these "numbers" and "dates" and "signs" are pure nonsense. If God wanted us to know the exact date and time He would have told us but He didn't....He didn't even tell his own Son! And what does it matter....if your heart is right with God you shouldn't have a problem. And besides, none of us are promised tomorrow. You just might die before any of this comes to pass!

I quite agree!



ManimalX -> RE: Let me just say this (6/28/2009 3:43:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AMLee

All of these "numbers" and "dates" and "signs" are pure nonsense. If God wanted us to know the exact date and time He would have told us but He didn't....He didn't even tell his own Son! And what does it matter....if your heart is right with God you shouldn't have a problem. And besides, none of us are promised tomorrow. You just might die before any of this comes to pass!


I agree completely with the spirit of your post, but at the risk of proving Mr. Fribbles to be a prophet, I have a few nits to pick with it as well.

God didn't put "pure nonsense" into His Word, I think we can all agree on that. Numbers, dates and signs are all there for a reason, and will all be understood when the time is right for them to be.

The word "sign" in the Greek of the New Testament is semeion. According to Strong's (G4592):

quote:


1) a sign, mark, token
a) that by which a person or a thing is distinguished from others and is known
b) a sign, prodigy, portent, i.e. an unusual occurrence, transcending the common course of nature
1) of signs portending remarkable events soon to happen
2) of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God's


So when you have a passage such as Matthew 24:3 ("As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?"), and Revelation 12:1 ("And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars"), it IS actually communicating something that is useful, in this case "a sign portending remarkable events soon to happen".

While those signs are important for every believer to be familiar with, it doesn't do much good to become fixated on them, because they are primarily meant for the folks who will actually be around to witness them. When Christians who are familiar with God's Word begin to see those signs, I believe it will be pretty clear to them in a way it will never be until events those signs correspond with begin to happen.

So as you can see, I agree with you to an extent, but I won't go so far as to say that numbers, dates, and signs are "pure nonsense". They are important for us to be familiar with to the extent that we can be familiar with them, so that we are not caught unawares when the time comes for their mysteries to unfold.

As it is written: "Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers." - 1st Corinthians 14:22

Just my $.02 (adjusted for inflation and Obamanomics).



cow451 -> RE: Let me just say this (6/29/2009 5:03:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lelseep

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ORIGINAL: AMLee

All of these "numbers" and "dates" and "signs" are pure nonsense. If God wanted us to know the exact date and time He would have told us but He didn't....He didn't even tell his own Son! And what does it matter....if your heart is right with God you shouldn't have a problem. And besides, none of us are promised tomorrow. You just might die before any of this comes to pass!

When there is a red light, people know that it is a sign to stop because even if they didnt have the training in what was meant, they would notice the behavior of other peoples as they respond to the signs. This is keeping order for God is a God of order is written.


So where do redlight cameras fit in, Grasshopper?



yohannan -> RE: Let me just say this (6/29/2009 5:31:35 PM)

These signs are the redlight camera.

It provides for us a snapshot of what might be happening to those that could be cited for ignoring a sign as some kind of entertainment show, instead. At least believe on the account of the signs is written. There would a greater accountability is the tale of these two cities called Bethsaida and Corazin who had miraculous and the Teachings on the Mount and the miraculous provision of the fishes and loaves for non adherence to the attainment of the keeping with repentance that bears good fruits.

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ORIGINAL: cow451

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ORIGINAL: lelseep

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ORIGINAL: AMLee

All of these "numbers" and "dates" and "signs" are pure nonsense. If God wanted us to know the exact date and time He would have told us but He didn't....He didn't even tell his own Son! And what does it matter....if your heart is right with God you shouldn't have a problem. And besides, none of us are promised tomorrow. You just might die before any of this comes to pass!

When there is a red light, people know that it is a sign to stop because even if they didnt have the training in what was meant, they would notice the behavior of other peoples as they respond to the signs. This is keeping order for God is a God of order is written.


So where do redlight cameras fit in, Grasshopper?



ManimalX -> RE: Let me just say this (6/29/2009 6:36:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cow451

quote:

ORIGINAL: lelseep

When there is a red light, people know that it is a sign to stop because even if they didnt have the training in what was meant, they would notice the behavior of other peoples as they respond to the signs. This is keeping order for God is a God of order is written.


So where do redlight cameras fit in, Grasshopper?


Grasshopper....

Funniest post of the month!

[sm=yummy.gif]



Retrobyter -> RE: Let me just say this (6/29/2009 10:22:39 PM)

Shalom, MrFribbles.

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

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When there is a red light, people know that it is a sign to stop because even if they didnt have the training in what was meant, they would notice the behavior of other peoples as they respond to the signs. This is keeping order for God is a God of order is written.


Then people have been stopping at green lights for the past 2,000 years.


I don't know about stopping at green lights, but it takes them a while to get going after getting a green light! I'm constantly having to yell out, "It doesn't get any greener!"

Roy



cow451 -> RE: Let me just say this (6/30/2009 10:37:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ManimalX

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ORIGINAL: cow451

quote:

ORIGINAL: lelseep

When there is a red light, people know that it is a sign to stop because even if they didnt have the training in what was meant, they would notice the behavior of other peoples as they respond to the signs. This is keeping order for God is a God of order is written.


So where do redlight cameras fit in, Grasshopper?


Grasshopper....

Funniest post of the month!

[sm=yummy.gif]


Only people of a certain age would get the reference.



DoveMinistries -> RE: Let me just say this (6/30/2009 10:50:22 PM)

So since we are talking about time. A day to God is like a thousand years to us. right?

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Wow, That means Jesus has only been gone a couple of days!!!!

Revelation 3:11
" Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown."
Revelation 22:7
7 “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
Revelation22:12
12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work."
Revelation22:20
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

Puts a new prospective on it.

God Bless
R Dove



bob97 -> RE: Let me just say this (6/30/2009 11:25:35 PM)

And six days have passed since the garden...that means that we are ready for the day of rest...right?

Bob



MrFribbles -> RE: Let me just say this (7/1/2009 1:21:02 AM)

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And six days have passed since the garden...that means that we are ready for the day of rest...right?


Or billions and billions of years. Remember, the equation doesn't just go one way. A single earthly day is also like a thousand years. So interpreting the common Christian age of the earth as six days ignores half the verse.



WesP -> RE: Let me just say this (7/1/2009 10:15:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

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And six days have passed since the garden...that means that we are ready for the day of rest...right?


Or billions and billions of years. Remember, the equation doesn't just go one way. A single earthly day is also like a thousand years. So interpreting the common Christian age of the earth as six days ignores half the verse.


MrFribbles,

Using your logic, the world was created and inhabited by man, beasts, and vegetation in 6000 years. That is much closer to what is in the bible than what the science and origins folder says mostly. [sm=thumbsup.gif]

LOL!



Eutychus -> RE: Let me just say this (7/1/2009 4:49:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cow451

quote:

ORIGINAL: ManimalX

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ORIGINAL: cow451

quote:

ORIGINAL: lelseep

When there is a red light, people know that it is a sign to stop because even if they didnt have the training in what was meant, they would notice the behavior of other peoples as they respond to the signs. This is keeping order for God is a God of order is written.


So where do redlight cameras fit in, Grasshopper?


Grasshopper....

Funniest post of the month!

[sm=yummy.gif]


Only people of a certain age would get the reference.

Or someone in Alabama with my last name.
[8D]



DoveMinistries -> RE: Let me just say this (7/1/2009 8:49:08 PM)

The Bible tells the end in the begining and the begining in the end. Bob you are closer than you think. We are all about to enter into rest. In a blink, the twinkle of an eye, we will be transformed.

God Bless
R Dove



jjbird -> RE: Let me just say this (7/4/2009 7:15:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DoveMinistries

So since we are talking about time. A day to God is like a thousand years to us. right?

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Wow, That means Jesus has only been gone a couple of days!!!!

Revelation 3:11
" Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown."
Revelation 22:7
7 “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
Revelation22:12
12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work."
Revelation22:20
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

Puts a new prospective on it.

God Bless
R Dove




Just because the bible says that a day is like a thousands years does not mean that a day is exactly a thousand years.

It is an expression.....not literal



supernova1976 -> RE: Let me just say this (7/6/2009 11:56:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AMLee

All of these "numbers" and "dates" and "signs" are pure nonsense. If God wanted us to know the exact date and time He would have told us but He didn't....He didn't even tell his own Son! And what does it matter....if your heart is right with God you shouldn't have a problem. And besides, none of us are promised tomorrow. You just might die before any of this comes to pass!



I'm confused- God is Jesus, Jesus is God- so if Jesus Christ is returning, don't you think "he" who is "the son", knows about it?



cosmiceyes -> RE: Let me just say this (7/6/2009 12:45:23 PM)

I was thinking the same thing. I believe though, that there are sects of christians that do believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three separate entities. I believe that they're all the same as the one God.



bob97 -> RE: Let me just say this (7/6/2009 1:43:44 PM)

Did you ever wonder what the meaning of 1 Corinthians 15:28 means?

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.
27 For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him.
28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 (ASV)

Bob



yohannan -> RE: Let me just say this (7/6/2009 3:40:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jjbird

quote:

ORIGINAL: DoveMinistries

So since we are talking about time. A day to God is like a thousand years to us. right?

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Wow, That means Jesus has only been gone a couple of days!!!!

Revelation 3:11
" Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown."
Revelation 22:7
7 “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
Revelation22:12
12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work."
Revelation22:20
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

Puts a new prospective on it.

God Bless
R Dove




Just because the bible says that a day is like a thousands years does not mean that a day is exactly a thousand years.

It is an expression.....not literal



Amen. The equation would be any 'variable' quantity for A, B, C, D, E, X, where the times and seasons are written that it is not for us to know for these are set Sovereignly by The Almighty.

This would described as epoch or age which is the word that is written, or the days of Noah or the day which would be a 'relatively' set quantity according to The Express Will of God's Plans and Purposes.

Until the end of the age of the fallen state of the sinful natures of the inner being becomes the time for The Resurrection and The Life of the new earth created with all things new in the new age(s) to come.

One would find it somewhat difficult, from an Archeological perspective, to have all of the holistic substance of the requirements of science, to one degree or another, to account for happenings that were not experienced directly and changes that were happened for a certain peoples for the winds and the temperatures are not directly perceivable to the senses afterward. Except We were given the Prophecy of Genesis, for the good persons bring up good things out of themselves that they had as treasure stored up from the past and the present.

Things that are, in fact, good will be called otherwise is written in these days. For one can test to find what is the good and pleasing and perfect will all things to hold onto what is acceptable and without finding fault as a motivation would be the circumsizion of Abraham. And this was the weighing to take place for Word Prophecy Testimony in Paul for other Prophets to discern was written. For the One who hears Me, hears you is written. For many may have experienced the temporary conference of the gifting in the days of Moses as written and Jesus shows us that these who rebelled concerning His decision for Moses were to come among and profess that 'they' had 'performed' miracles and such but they cannot be accepted for their deeds were evil is written. Therefore, one would take pride in one person over another is written as the favoritism not to approve of with regards to these things Spiritual. Yet, The Lord Gave to one person 5 talents (which if is likened unto a talent of gold a large amounting to about 150 years of day laborers wages at one dinari minimum wage for one days work). I Will Give to each according to what was done is written. Or how is it that you are jealous when it is My Own Money which I Will do with My Money what I have wanted is written in giving the smaller amount to the Ones who were found trustworthy with what they had, instead of doing nothing of worth with it? For I Will take from worthless Egypt is written and the Glory of the nations will be brought into the House of God. For what is worthwhile to pursue in this life when the next awaits one to account for some things? Therefore, when the time was come, God struck all of the crops of Egypt; except the flax which was not in season; with Locust plagues. For they had ignored the deliverance that God sent to Pharoah through His servant Joseph and their agreement for his people to dwell in the land of Goshen. We see, then, that there is a time for everything is Solomon including a time for plagues and Powerful reminders of The Wonders of God. For I Will Work My Wonders in Egypt is written.

For God Provides is written and The Lord Our Provision and Inheritance. Those given certain trust must prove faithful with those things. Yet, the widow gave more out of her personal livelihood is written. A good measure will be poured out into you lap and overflowing to others when given the Good Gifts and The Gift of God.



DoveMinistries -> RE: Let me just say this (7/6/2009 7:04:36 PM)

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

quote:

Just because the bible says that a day is like a thousands years does not mean that a day is exactly a thousand years.


To God that is what it is and what it mean's. And to go on, do you believe then that God did all is work in six days, or is it an expression not literal?

Peter say's do not forget this one thing. Wonder why, he would think it is important enough to remember?

God Bless
R Dove



Reform_Dave -> RE: Let me just say this (7/6/2009 10:43:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DoveMinistries

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

quote:

Just because the bible says that a day is like a thousands years does not mean that a day is exactly a thousand years.


To God that is what it is and what it mean's. And to go on, do you believe then that God did all is work in six days, or is it an expression not literal?

Peter say's do not forget this one thing. Wonder why, he would think it is important enough to remember?

God Bless
R Dove

I dont think that for God one day is literally a thousand years. I think it speaks to the fact that since God operates out of eternity, where time has no meaning because there is no time, one day has no more significance than a thousand years, or even a million.



WesP -> RE: Let me just say this (7/7/2009 8:36:33 AM)

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I dont think that for God one day is literally a thousand years. I think it speaks to the fact that since God operates out of eternity, where time has no meaning because there is no time, one day has no more significance than a thousand years, or even a million.


Agreed.



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