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RE: Is It Okay to Read Books in Which The Author Uses S... - 7/2/2009 4:40:31 PM   
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RE: Is It Okay to Read Books in Which The Author Uses S... - 7/6/2009 10:48:48 PM   
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Teche: You're speaking of showing restraint in language and quoting Mark Twain, who, aside from being my distant cousin, was an avowed agnosticand died quite angry with the whole religious community. His hjilosophy inhabits his work even if swear words don't

which doesn't change the fact that it's a great quote...

while i agree with the various posters who brought up the fact that we must be led by the spirit in this, i also think it important to note that the various verses quoted often refer to the heart behind the words/ text. i'm thinking that there can be as much carnality/ fleshiness behind someone exclaiming "oh sugar!" as anyone uttering your favourite (or not) four-letter word. sometimes those "vulgar" words might actually express something clearly and succinctly (though i also agree that there are times we can choose better words (as i explain to my children). nevertheless, we are talking about books here, and fictional characters, not people. i wonder if daniel and his cohorts, who were knowledgeable in all the literature of the babylonians, ever happened upon cursing or vulgar language. what about moses? paul read outside the strictures of pharisaical teaching. how did they reconcile that learning/ reading with their religious beliefs? perhaps there are allowances here for one's call within the cultural context?

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RE: Is It Okay to Read Books in Which The Author Uses S... - 7/16/2009 4:58:00 PM   
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I guess the sliding scale is on the word "vulgar". For instance, as a commercially published writer (former CBA, now ABA), I've had interaction with CBA houses for years. One house states it's vulgar if a man and a woman go swimming together (in swimsuits), while another wouldn't even blink at that...but you'd better not have a character mutter, "oh, he**" (even the bad guy). Each house has drawn its own boundaries as to where "vulgaity" lies. In the end we all have to let the Holy Spirit guide us.


Excellent real life example. A long while back in a thread about what makes "bad" words "bad", I and others made the point that "profanity" is really in the eye of the beholder, and is a very transitory and fickle thing. Some words are "bad" in some places while being very benign in other places. What makes a word "bad" varies from society to society, so it is basically petty to insist on a rigid definition.

If we all want to be honest here, we will admit that a lot of what constitutes "bad" words is mired in religious tradition, and yes legalism. The TOS of this very site are testament to that fact. Restrictions are placed on some completely normal words such as a very benign substitution for the word "dung". Why? Because there are a lot of sheltered bubble Christians who have been conditioned to be offended.

I guess to me it is all about communication, and sometimes there are certain words that are just much more suited to communicating thoughts and emotions. One of my favorite examples is from the recent Star Trek movie, the scene where Kirk meets old Spock in the ice cave. Kirk could have said "No way" or "I don't believe you", but what he actually said was much more appropriate.


I truly do not understand what's going on here. I agree with you again!!!

Back to the topic, someone pointed to a scripture about not using harsh words. "I hate you" can be just as harsh as any curse words that may be out there.

SuspenseWriter also brought up a good point about different publishers having different definition of what they consider vulgar. I, for one, have no plans to ever submit work to any "Christian" lines of books because the rules are so restrictive about what can or can't happen in them. That's not to say that I'm all for obscenity and the like, but to me, those books always feel so watered down and even lifeless. The writers are so hampered by rules that they haven't a hope of creating a real character because none of us are perfect, but those characters have to be.

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