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RE: 3 week leave - 7/2/2009 9:43:39 AM
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rcjames
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, just that Some thinks ( thinking and beeing concerned is not wrong or gossip) The pastor may be unhappy and want to move on.
Sorry, but you are either a mind reader, or this is gossip in the purest form. Making up and starting rumors is gossip, and also being a trouble maker and the Bible address this very plainly;
(Tit 3:10) Warn troublemakers once or twice. Then don't have anything else to do with them.
It seems that this is an excellent opportunity to spend some time in prayer for the Pastor to enjoy himself, and return rested, full of the Spirit of God, and readey to deliver the Word.
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/2/2009 11:49:10 AM
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Bolt As what you said We could not every talk to each other to you i would be gossip,
Well tha few people tha have spoke to me are in pray and we will see as time goes on ,I would never share any infro to another preson that had been told to me in conf, That the way I am and Have alway been , That part of beening a pastor or any person that is given the Lord work, As fo some one asked Yes He has full pay with all his time off and any expenxe needed thats the way we have it write so The pastor does not have to worry for any reason on money He is well loved and cared for . That why I think some were suprised at the I am going a way and will see you in 3 week statement, He and the family have taken several vacation and the people have alway knew and cared as to not call call ,the one decon if neededs , we have and let the family have private time ,
As for some have stated is the pastor not any employe to the church?. called by God but Yet paided by men Just a question?
I have alway been in a church tht the pastor was bi.voc, so it didnot matter how much time the pastor took off, so I guess that why i was asking for commints.
I know the Lord will provite for us as the church as He has in the past or Give us as in my famly the church home we need to be in ! Wed night was great and all of the normal menber were in the place and we had a normal wed night service, It was just as some one was missing and we all missed having our pasor with us, (I do know where the pastor,he asked for infro on the place, and know the family is enjoying the time ,but was told about it in conf, and will not pass it on even if was asked )
Again thanks for the Helpful advice,
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/2/2009 12:06:28 PM
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The reason this is not gossip is that you have presented a 'general case' -- even though you have given particulars, since anonymity is retained there is no issue of gossip. We are at arm's length and have no knowledge or acquaintance of the people involved -- and, as we 'comfort' you, we are advising you to leave off your speculation and trust in God. We are not engaging in speculation with you.
If you are a leader within your group, then you need to expand your definition of gossip to include, "Speculating out loud with others as to the possible particulars of a third party's personal decisions or private business." And then watch for that and shut it down as you would the other half of gossip, with which you are familiar.
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/2/2009 12:58:36 PM
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rcjames
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The reason this is not gossip is that you have presented a 'general case' -- even though you have given particulars, since anonymity is retained there is no issue of gossip. We are at arm's length and have no knowledge or acquaintance of the people involved -- and, as we 'comfort' you, we are advising you to leave off your speculation and trust in God. We are not engaging in speculation with you.
Not gossip on the forums, but sure is gossip among the Church folks doing the "Thinking", "guessing", and "Vain imaginations".
Making up stuff, and thinking up stuff and then talking about it is the absolute definition of gossip.
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/2/2009 1:06:40 PM
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I think a large part of gossip is to ask-" would you say the same thing if the person were standing right there with you?"
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/3/2009 3:38:56 PM
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7- But yes I do feel pastor/youthpastor (as mind HD is) Life etc is a open book for people to read,
I'm curious why you feel this way. Why single out pastors for being open books? Are we not all ministers, evangelists, etc?
Sure, they may have a higher standard, but it is not your job to snoop and observe their private lifes on your own.
Should they have to bring you a report of what they did every night, what tv shows they watched, who they talked to and what about, etc?
Maybe it should be like the Truman Show and you just keep a video camera on them at all times.
Why your Pastor and not Church goers??? If you want your Pastor's life to be and open book then yours should be also.
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Bolt As what you said We could not every talk to each other to you i would be gossip,
Well tha few people tha have spoke to me are in pray and we will see as time goes on ,I would never share any infro to another preson that had been told to me in conf, That the way I am and Have alway been , That part of beening a pastor or any person that is given the Lord work, As fo some one asked Yes He has full pay with all his time off and any expenxe needed thats the way we have it write so The pastor does not have to worry for any reason on money He is well loved and cared for . That why I think some were suprised at the I am going a way and will see you in 3 week statement, He and the family have taken several vacation and the people have alway knew and cared as to not call call ,the one decon if neededs , we have and let the family have private time ,
As for some have stated is the pastor not any employe to the church?. called by God but Yet paided by men Just a question?
I have alway been in a church tht the pastor was bi.voc, so it didnot matter how much time the pastor took off, so I guess that why i was asking for commints.
I know the Lord will provite for us as the church as He has in the past or Give us as in my famly the church home we need to be in ! Wed night was great and all of the normal menber were in the place and we had a normal wed night service, It was just as some one was missing and we all missed having our pasor with us, (I do know where the pastor,he asked for infro on the place, and know the family is enjoying the time ,but was told about it in conf, and will not pass it on even if was asked )
Again thanks for the Helpful advice,
My employer does not know everything about me. Why shloud they??? There are a whole of things that have absoultely nothing to with my skills as a Preschool Teacher. Do you tell you employer EVERYTHING???
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/3/2009 4:13:46 PM
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A question which I hope is related to this current thread (for anyone who cares to answer);
Does your church have pastoral cover in place for the duration of the pastors leave, or do they expect him to respond to issues that arise should he be around, and if so is this fair on the pastor and his familiy?
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/3/2009 6:22:33 PM
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A question which I hope is related to this current thread (for anyone who cares to answer);
Does your church have pastoral cover in place for the duration of the pastors leave, or do they expect him to respond to issues that arise should he be around, and if so is this fair on the pastor and his familiy?
At our Church, the Elders are quite capable of taking care of the Church, as a matter of fact they are Pastors in training for the Church plants that we do. It is not uncommon for me to be a congregant and let them do the services from time to time; they also are capable of doing all the other Pastoral duties.
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/4/2009 1:57:26 PM
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Our elders are also able to carry on in the absence of our pastor.
I am sorry, but we have several members at our church that are as concerned as you about
the goings on of our church. I think we all have those members who like to take care of the staff.
What is your role in the church? You mention ministry, then you mention that the pastor inquired
of you some information...are you by chance the church secretary, or please not his personal assistant?
Please be very careful when speculating or speaking out against God's men...we are warned
very specifically of this is God's word!
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/5/2009 11:07:48 AM
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hjemerson
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Frist let me resay I am not gossiping (just wanted to know what some of you though and how it was done at your church) I have and will not say any thing about the pastor or his family ,that i have and would not said if he was standing be side me!!! Second I Do be live our life are a open book to all when in the service of the Lord Paided or not . Sorry My life is open and I do feel this is the Way it should be if you are going to work in the church, MY opinon, Not ! not perfect but when people see and know things in the open you can serve, It is drigfferent than working in the general public. Also yes I tell my employer every thing I do not have things to hide> Sorry that just the way I am and Have never had a problem with it, I have had many well careing jobs and never had any thing to hide, I have worked with special need people and up to state case worker so in most part I would not been able to hide any thing, as the same when in church staff etc, AS for Pastor asking me for infor , It was as a friend in a place and ideal of some place, Yes I am on staff as a Non paided Youth worker My HD is the worship.Youth pastor so again Our life/home/pass/ is a very open book, Just the way we have alway been the hold 27 yrs of our marrage and in raising our girls to. I alway find out whan People hide things in the past to made life look goo now have not been honset with self,Lord and people they service, (It like the don"t ask Don"t tell.) THANK For all the commints! Things are going good and things are going well as it should be. Even in the pastor abstents,
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/5/2009 8:00:53 PM
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Frist let me resay I am not gossiping (just wanted to know what some of you though and how it was done at your church) I have and will not say any thing about the pastor or his family ,that i have and would not said if he was standing be side me!!! Second I Do be live our life are a open book to all when in the service of the Lord Paided or not . Sorry My life is open and I do feel this is the Way it should be if you are going to work in the church, MY opinon, Not ! not perfect but when people see and know things in the open you can serve, It is drigfferent than working in the general public. Also yes I tell my employer every thing I do not have things to hide> Sorry that just the way I am and Have never had a problem with it, I have had many well careing jobs and never had any thing to hide, I have worked with special need people and up to state case worker so in most part I would not been able to hide any thing, as the same when in church staff etc, AS for Pastor asking me for infor , It was as a friend in a place and ideal of some place, Yes I am on staff as a Non paided Youth worker My HD is the worship.Youth pastor so again Our life/home/pass/ is a very open book, Just the way we have alway been the hold 27 yrs of our marrage and in raising our girls to. I alway find out whan People hide things in the past to made life look goo now have not been honset with self,Lord and people they service, (It like the don"t ask Don"t tell.) THANK For all the commints! Things are going good and things are going well as it should be. Even in the pastor abstents,
That is you. Not everybody. You seem to be on the extroverted side while you Pastor may be more introverted. I don't tell my employer everything. My employer does not need to know everything. And I don't want or need to know everything about my Pastor.
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/5/2009 9:11:28 PM
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After a pastor has been at a church ten years, a three week time away is not unreasonable. Your pastor is human, and needs time to be alone with God, and time to seek His face. Pray for him, encourage him, and be a blessing, and quash any rumors immediately. They dishonor the Lord and can ruin the ministry of a godly man.
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RE: 3 week leave - 7/6/2009 11:44:41 AM
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TAHNK YOU! jeffshalomngus Yes I agree ! Thank you ! Fotr the postive feedback! Think apears to be going well!
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