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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/14/2009 10:32:50 AM
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GraceyGirl
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Cut and dried maybe, but the media is making quite the darling out of the pastor who was interfering.
There's an article on one of the police sites that I read where officers are furious. The statement made several times was that if this guy wasn't a preacher, it wouldn't be an issue.
Interestingly, I did a search for the parent church, or fellowship of this little gathering, and there isn't one. The COG International denies any affiliation with them.
Kind of out there on a limb. . .
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/14/2009 12:57:40 PM
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Child4Jesus
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I cannot really respond to the he said-she said details, but I do wonder when people are going to be smart enough not to pry when someone is pulled over or being questioned by police. That is inviting trouble because the officer then has to divide attention, and that can be deadly.
I'm a NYPD officer and it is ridiculous how oblivious people can be. You see two officers or one on a car stop, you DO NOT go over to them and start asking questions. You are causing a distraction and like WesP said, it can be deadly. Why deadly? I don't know who I'm stopping. This guy could be wanted for murder or just a law abiding citizen who did a traffic infraction. I also don't know who this is that is coming up to me. Also don't put you hands on the officer because they cause his sense alarm to go up.
I have had people come up to me trying to ask questions while I am outside the car talking with the person in the car. I have had people walk between the car stopped and the marked squad car. I have had people come up to the window of my car while I am on the stop. What these people are thinking I don't know.
In this case it seems many mistakes where made here. That Pastor should NOT have gone over to the Officers while they here trying to effect an arrest. I'm putting cuffs on someone then you come over to me and start touching me, my thinking is that you are trying to prevent me from arresting this person. Guess what? I can now arrest you for obstructing governmental authority.
The advice I can give to all in here is that if you see a friend or family member getting arrest do not interfere in anyway, shape or form. Wait until the person is place in the back of the squad car and then ask your questions. Don't be rude or put you hands on any of the officers. That is a mistake. You can always find out information later on.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/14/2009 1:01:40 PM
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Child4Jesus
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I guess the OP has a problem with police, the title points in that direction anyway. The congregants were not attacked, the police used pepper spray when they were approached by 30+ people. The pastor would not have been tased had he not chosen to interfere in police business.
If I am on a car stop and I am being approached by 30+ people, I am calling for back up and getting my baton and mace out. Even if there are children there I don't care. A child cannot get my gun out of the holster?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/14/2009 1:05:40 PM
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Child4Jesus
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Some people have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.
The officer did his job correctly - people need to learn to respect them. And learn that they have no clue about their procedures and tactics.
I could not agree more with you.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/14/2009 1:20:17 PM
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Child4Jesus
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They hardly bum rushed in. They didn't even leave church property, and heck, they were pentecostal worshippers who have been trained to respect the authorities that be. Perhaps a community affairs course would be good for all police officers, as well.
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Their training failed. If a MOB of people approach an officer who is in the middle of arresting one of their members he has every reason to be suspicious of their intentions. I understand that the officer's safety is second in your mind but that doesn't make that view correct.
I'm not sure the OP is not getting this. NEVER EVER approach an officer when he is affecting an arrest. Definitely NEVER EVER EVER then come back with a MOB of people. What were they planning on doing? To the cop his alarm meter when from 0-100. These people really should have known better and must know better.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/14/2009 1:34:33 PM
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Child4Jesus
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Well, the media seems to be taking the side of the community pastor in this case. This should be a very interesting trial, to say the least.
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Mainstream media taking a side against the police? WOW! What a shock, someone fan me...
I'm so shocked to. I almost fainted when the OP made that statement.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/14/2009 1:50:02 PM
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Child4Jesus
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And tell me.. which law enforcement agency did you work for and for how many years?
Do you even have a military background?
Heck, have you ever even been in a fight or a victim of a crime?
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No. But the police are public officials paid for by taxpayers and answerable to the public.
If your taxes pay my salary, you are free to comment on my job as a programmer if my errors send people to the hospital. How much did you pay in taxes last year?
Ah and here it is. I pray your salary. You have to answer to me. I pay your salary so I have to right to walk over to you and starting questioning you when you are performing your duty. I pay your salary so I the right to push you and go get a mob of people.
I for one am a NYPD officer. If I was in the same situation as this cop, the pastor would have been arrested. In nyc only Sgts and above carry tasers. My options would have been to call for back-up when 30+ people are approaching me and my partner. I have a question for you. What would you suggest I do when being approached by 30+ people when I just hand a confrontation with one person who put his hands on me, he leaves, then a MOB is approaching me?
This Pastor made a mistake. He saw a car stop. Instead of standing aside he approached the Officer who apparently hand to calm him down for whatever he did. The officer was affecting an arrest on said Pastor who pushed the cop, went back into the church and return with 40 plus people. Again what where they trying to do?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/14/2009 2:14:04 PM
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Child4Jesus
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Because of course to a criminal a police officer in uniform is the same as a civilian walking down the street. get over yourself, you're not viewed the same.
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Of course we are. The only difference is that I am viewed as a potential victim of a mugging and someone who probably doesn't have a weapon.
Your ignorance astounds me. Some minorities see me, a black police officer and you kknow what they call me? Uncle Tom, sell out, etc. I arrest a black person or tell a group of people causing trouble to move along I'm doing it because they are black. What? No fool I am arresting you because you have a warrant or you just committed a crime. Police officers are seen as the enemy. Gangs all over initiate by murdering police officers.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/14/2009 2:35:16 PM
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Child4Jesus
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Another story that you posted complains that an off duty cop in a hit and run case didn't get a breathalyzer for four hours BUT THE OFF DUTY COP WAS STILL HELD ON $2 MILLION BAIL.
This happens to regular citizens too. Not getting breathalyzed until hours upon hours later.
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