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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 1:59:51 PM
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Allegedly interfere. The only things both sides agree on are that an overweight and non-threatening pastor was tazered and that a Church was pepper sprayed.
No the interference was not alleged, even the pastor stated that he approached the officer to question what was going on, which is interfering with a lawful traffic stop. It is interfering with the official duties of a policeman.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:00:52 PM
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So you are saying that the AG would allow a fool to make it all the way through seminary and become a pastor? Was he foolish for believing he wouldn't get tasered for stepping outside to see what was going on?
He was a fool to believe that he would not suffer consequences when the officer told him to step away and he didn't.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:01:39 PM
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blessedinnyc
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Allegedly interfere. The only things both sides agree on are that an overweight and non-threatening pastor was tazered and that a Church was pepper sprayed.
No the interference was not alleged, even the pastor stated that he approached the officer to question what was going on, which is interfering with a lawful traffic stop. It is interfering with the official duties of a policeman.
Really. Most people haven't gotten the memo on that. If he gets in the way of the officer, that's one thing, but if he stays on church property and asking questions, that's quite another.
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He was a fool to believe that he would not suffer consequences when the officer told him to step away and he didn't.
Well, what happened at that point is a matter of contention.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:02:08 PM
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So you are saying that the AG would allow a fool to make it all the way through seminary and become a pastor?
Well, they welcomed Benny Hinn with open arms... 
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:02:38 PM
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Actually, you make an exceptionally good point here. Where we live, HOMEOWNERS taxes pay the salary of public officials. A lot of times, the people who are griping about the way they are or are not being served aren't even homeowners.
Exactly, ironically it is usually the people that don't pay taxes, let alone property taxes.. that make the biggest stink about things. People that actually SUCK UP tax dollars and resources.
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Just because police are public servants does not mean they are servants to you, or to the people they serve. They serve the greater good. Not the individual opinion. If you don't like whats happening in your community - VOTE. Vote on how tax dollars are being spent. . .provided your a tax payer.
Something some people seem to forget... cops are not above the law, correct. But they are also not below the law.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:04:26 PM
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ironsharpensiron
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If he gets in the way of the officer, that's one thing, but if he stays on church property and asking questions, that's quite another.
It really doesn't matter where the traffic stop was being initiated at; interfering with a police officer is...interfering with a police officer...
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:05:13 PM
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Exactly, ironically it is usually the people that don't pay taxes, let alone property taxes.. that make the biggest stink about things. People that actually SUCK UP tax dollars and resources.
Should that make a difference? I put about twice as much into the system as I get out, and I think a guy on welfare has just as much right to complain as I do. If he and others don't want police in their neighborhood, they should be allowed to wait until they want the police back.
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Something some people seem to forget... cops are not above the law, correct. But they are also not below the law.
They operate under the law as does everyone else. If a police officer breaks the rules while doing his job, that is just as much a problem as if anyone else does so.
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It really doesn't matter where the traffic stop was being initiated at; interfering with a police officer is...interfering with a police officer...
Matthew
You're absolutely right, and asking the police what's going on FROM YOUR OWN PROPERTY is not interfering. And again, where's the dash cam?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:05:41 PM
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If he gets in the way of the officer, that's one thing, but if he stays on church property and asking questions, that's quite another.
It really doesn't matter where the traffic stop was being initiated at; interfering with a police officer is...interfering with a police officer...
Matthew
Well, apparently it's NOT interfering is you're one of those holy "pentecostals." Then, you're completely justified.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:08:54 PM
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blessedinnyc
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Well, apparently it's NOT interfering is you're one of those holy "pentecostals." Then, you're completely justified.
So conservative evangelical leaders are wrong? Wouldn't this pastor indicative of a larger trend of arrogance among the evangelical leadership? I simply can't buy that. Religious conservatives are some of the most humble people I know and they could never be wrong on issues involving the gov't.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:09:12 PM
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Okay...so let's say the officer asked the pastor to step back, and the pastor continued to interfere...the officer asks him again, probably more forcebly, to step away. The pastor still refuses to listen...What, blessedinny, should the officer do?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:10:05 PM
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So you are saying that the AG would allow a fool to make it all the way through seminary and become a pastor? Was he foolish for believing he wouldn't get tasered for stepping outside to see what was going on?
There are some really terrific Pentecostal preachers, but there are also a few fools among them. If you've watched the news during the last 2 or 3 decades you probably could name some of them for us.
Only a fool would lead a mob to confront a lone policeman, I don't care who or what he is.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:10:09 PM
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blessedinnyc
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Okay...so let's say the officer asked the pastor to step back, and the pastor continued to interfere...the officer asks him again, probably more forcebly, to step away. The pastor still refuses to listen...What, blessedinny, should the officer do?
Matthew
Finish writing the ticket and leave. Not worth the time/effort unless he has serious ego issues.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:10:22 PM
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Religious conservatives are some of the most humble people I know and they could never be wrong on issues involving the gov't.
You're joking, right..?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:11:45 PM
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Finish writing the ticket and leave. Not worth the time/effort unless he has serious ego issues.
But how can he finish the ticket and leave if he is constantly having to stop because of the pastor..?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:12:30 PM
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blessedinnyc
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Religious conservatives are some of the most humble people I know and they could never be wrong on issues involving the gov't.
You're joking, right..?
matthew
No, I mean, from Pat Robertson to Dr. Dobson to all the other religious conservatives, they always get it right on issues from abortion to global warming to tax cuts to marriage. If religious conservatives are always right on these issues, how could they be wrong with the police?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:12:36 PM
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Religious conservatives are some of the most humble people I know and they could never be wrong on issues involving the gov't.
You're joking, right..?
matthew
Sounds to me the pastor has serious ego issues for getting involved in the first place.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:12:40 PM
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Should that make a difference? I put about twice as much into the system as I get out, and I think a guy on welfare has just as much right to complain as I do.
I don't. If I didn't pay for a meal, why would I have a right to go complain to the restaurant owner?
But that's a topic for a different thread.
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They operate under the law as does everyone else. If a police officer breaks the rules while doing his job, that is just as much a problem as if anyone else does so.
The point is they are not BELOW everyone else.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:14:05 PM
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blessedinnyc
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But how can he finish the ticket and leave if he is constantly having to stop because of the pastor..?
Matthew
Dude, unless the pastor is grabbing the pen, he can finish writing the ticket. I work on a very noisy floor, but I can still program, which some might say requires as much or more concentration than writing a ticket.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:15:05 PM
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earthless
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So conservative evangelical leaders are wrong?
Can conservative evangelical leaders be wrong? ABSOLUTELY.
No one is above reproach or not able to sin, etc..
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Wouldn't this pastor indicative of a larger trend of arrogance among the evangelical leadership? I simply can't buy that. Religious conservatives are some of the most humble people I know and they could never be wrong on issues involving the gov't.
All your sarcasm and drawing out tactics aside (because I know you're not too found of conservatives, period) you know darn well that no one is above anything. And no one here has claimed anyone is above anyone else.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:15:20 PM
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Allegedly interfere. The only things both sides agree on are that an overweight and apparently non-threatening pastor was tazered and that a Church was pepper sprayed.
blessedinnyc,
Why is it allegedly when it is the other side of the argument? You are arguing like you were right there in the midst and saw everything. Why won't you address the problems with your suppositions that I listed back on page 2 of this thread? Why do you think being on church property affects the argument?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:15:32 PM
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blessedinnyc
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The point is they are not BELOW everyone else.
They don't, and if you interfere with my job, I can't have you arrested.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:17:36 PM
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earthless
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Dude, unless the pastor is grabbing the pen, he can finish writing the ticket. I work on a very noisy floor, but I can still program, which some might say requires as much or more concentration than writing a ticket.
We all know that your IT job does not have you as a target for gun shots, knives, attacks. As noisy as it may get in your Dilbert'esque office, as noisy as your keyboard may clank and creak, as noisy as your non-optical mouse's trackball may squeal and not respond.. your life is not in danger while you're in your cube.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:18:44 PM
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They don't, and if you interfere with my job, I can't have you arrested.
You could probably call in Top Flight Security to remove me from your old 15" CRT.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:19:11 PM
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We all know that your IT job does not have you as a target for gun shots, knives, attacks. As noisy as it may get in your Dilbert'esque office, as noisy as your keyboard may clank and creak, as noisy as your non-optical mouse's trackball may squeal and not respond.. your life is not in danger while you're in your cube.
There are about as many weapons and dangerous people on the trading floor as there are coming out of an inner-city pentecostal church. You really need to get over yourself.
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You could probably call in Top Flight Security to remove me from your old 15" CRT. No. I would probably just ignore you because I don't have an ego.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:20:31 PM
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ironsharpensiron
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Dude, unless the pastor is grabbing the pen, he can finish writing the ticket. I work on a very noisy floor, but I can still program, which some might say requires as much or more concentration than writing a ticket.
The officer would not be able to finish because he is now keeping an eye on the pastor; he doesn't know this man or what he is capable of doing. It has nothing to do with noise, but with safety in mind ~~ for both himself and the person he has stopped.
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