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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:20:42 PM
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earthless
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There are about as many weapons and dangerous people on the trading floor as there are coming out of an inner-city pentecostal church. You really need to get over yourself.
I never knew the trading floor was full of Glocks and Beretta's and members of the Latin Kings, Gangster Disciples, etc..
The only getting over of anything that needs to get done is your utter disdain for law enforcement and your victim mentality.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:21:59 PM
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There are some really terrific Pentecostal preachers, but there are also a few fools among them. If you've watched the news during the last 2 or 3 decades you probably could name some of them for us.
They already did in post #65...Ted haggard was one of them... 
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:22:18 PM
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Dude, unless the pastor is grabbing the pen, he can finish writing the ticket. I work on a very noisy floor, but I can still program, which some might say requires as much or more concentration than writing a ticket.
The officer would not be able to finish because he is now keeping an eye on the pastor; he doesn't know this man or what he is capable of doing. It has nothing to do with noise, but with safety in mind ~~ for both himself and the person he has stopped.
Matthew
People come up to other people and yell all the time. It doesn't mean they have a weapon or pose any sort of threat. There was a huge (verbal) fight two desks down from me the other day. Some egos got bruised, but nobody had to be arrested.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:23:15 PM
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because I don't have an ego.
Responding to every single post made in this thread and using asinine remarks to simply cause an uproar? Nah, no ego involved.
But of course the no-ego in you will prevent you from not having to have the last word.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:23:30 PM
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If religious conservatives are always right on these issues, how could they be wrong with the police?
I'd like to know where they are 'always right' on issues when it comes to a policeman doing his job...
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:23:36 PM
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"American citizens have the right to expect reasonable protection from the officers in their county.
That sounds a xenophobic county police going on to me, protecting only US Citizen and not the public (including foreigners, tourists, etc who happens to be in the area also..) in general. But what do I know...maybe I'm confusing justice being blind and police being blind in their duties?
Another thing that I dont get is that the whole episode is still "allegations"...I guess not much is fact yet..need investigation. Why the officer did not call for back up? Is it true that he went banging at church door and than spray the people inside or the people came outside and than the officer sprayed them? I guess I am watching too much detective series but details are very important.
Anyways..
I find very sad that some/many communities do not know and get aquaintance with their police officers. Everybody would gain much by strenghtening their communities. When I go church on sundays the police offices directing traffic around are the same ones, familiar faces.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:23:55 PM
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We all know that your IT job does not have you as a target for gun shots, knives, attacks. As noisy as it may get in your Dilbert'esque office, as noisy as your keyboard may clank and creak, as noisy as your non-optical mouse's trackball may squeal and not respond.. your life is not in danger while you're in your cube.
There are about as many weapons and dangerous people on the trading floor as there are coming out of an inner-city pentecostal church. You really need to get over yourself.
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You could probably call in Top Flight Security to remove me from your old 15" CRT. No. I would probably just ignore you because I don't have an ego.
and you over YOURSELF. What you don't seem to get is that despite sharp letter openers and cutthroat up & coming traders, you don't live in the same world that some of us do. Ever been pinned to a building with a knife to your throat for you SNEAKERS????? Ever been shot at b/c you wear a badge? When I was a paramedic I was - we wore badges that identified us as city employees. Some idiot shot at me b/c he thought i was a cop like earthless.
The reality is that those of us who serve on the front lines - whether overseas or stateside - have a VASTLY different job than folks who work in an office or in cyber reality. If some pastor comes walking up to me and won't back away when I say to, you can bet the farm I'm going to COMPELL him to do so with force.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:24:25 PM
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I never knew the trading floor was full of Glocks and Beretta's and members of the Latin Kings, Gangster Disciples, etc..
The only getting over of anything that needs to get done is your utter disdain for law enforcement and your victim mentality.
I have no disdain for law enforcement. I have serious disdain for abuse of power on the taxpayer dime. Nobody gets searched going up to the trading floor; they could be just as easily carrying a weapon as a pentecostal pastor coming out of worship service.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:26:08 PM
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People come up to other people and yell all the time. It doesn't mean they have a weapon or pose any sort of threat. There was a huge (verbal) fight two desks down from me the other day. Some egos got bruised, but nobody had to be arrested.
Because of course to a criminal a police officer in uniform is the same as a civilian walking down the street. get over yourself, you're not viewed the same.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:26:14 PM
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and you over YOURSELF. What you don't seem to get is that despite sharp letter openers and cutthroat up & coming traders, you don't live in the same world that some of us do. Ever been pinned to a building with a knife to your throat for you SNEAKERS????? Ever been shot at b/c you wear a badge? When I was a paramedic I was - we wore badges that identified us as city employees. Some idiot shot at me b/c he thought i was a cop like earthless.
The reality is that those of us who serve on the front lines - whether overseas or stateside - have a VASTLY different job than folks who work in an office or in cyber reality. If some pastor comes walking up to me and won't back away when I say to, you can bet the farm I'm going to COMPELL him to do so with force.
Then again, why are we trying to police neighborhoods that do not want to be policed?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:27:17 PM
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Because of course to a criminal a police officer in uniform is the same as a civilian walking down the street. get over yourself, you're not viewed the same.
Of course we are. The only difference is that I am viewed as a potential victim of a mugging and someone who probably doesn't have a weapon.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:27:59 PM
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People come up to other people and yell all the time. It doesn't mean they have a weapon or pose any sort of threat
Again, the officer does not know the man, and does not know what he is capable of. part of the officers training you mentioned in the first pages of the thread... 
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:28:08 PM
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and you over YOURSELF. What you don't seem to get is that despite sharp letter openers and cutthroat up & coming traders, you don't live in the same world that some of us do. Ever been pinned to a building with a knife to your throat for you SNEAKERS????? Ever been shot at b/c you wear a badge? When I was a paramedic I was - we wore badges that identified us as city employees. Some idiot shot at me b/c he thought i was a cop like earthless.
The reality is that those of us who serve on the front lines - whether overseas or stateside - have a VASTLY different job than folks who work in an office or in cyber reality. If some pastor comes walking up to me and won't back away when I say to, you can bet the farm I'm going to COMPELL him to do so with force.
Then again, why are we trying to police neighborhoods that do not want to be policed?
B/C there are always people there who DO want the help of law enforcement, no matter how overrun it is with crime.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:28:11 PM
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I never knew the trading floor was full of Glocks and Beretta's and members of the Latin Kings, Gangster Disciples, etc..
The only getting over of anything that needs to get done is your utter disdain for law enforcement and your victim mentality.
I have no disdain for law enforcement. I have serious disdain for abuse of power on the taxpayer dime. Nobody gets searched going up to the trading floor; they could be just as easily carrying a weapon as a pentecostal pastor coming out of worship service.
My guess is that if the officer suspected the preacher was coming at him with a gun, the preacher would not have faired as well as he did. Just a guess...
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:28:31 PM
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Nobody gets searched going up to the trading floor; they could be just as easily carrying a weapon as a pentecostal pastor coming out of worship service.
But wait.. just a few weeks ago you claimed the gun control laws in NYC work and are needed. How could any trader or office worker in your building even have a gun? That's preposterous!
Not possible, everyone in NYC knows that they cannot have a gun if they're not the police. C'mon, blessedinnyc.. you know only the police have weapons.
It's just not possible, your life is not danger up there from guns. We all know the cities with gun-control laws have no gun violence.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:29:34 PM
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People come up to other people and yell all the time. It doesn't mean they have a weapon or pose any sort of threat
Again, the officer does not know the man, and does not know what he is capable of. part of the officers training you mentioned in the first pages of the thread...
Matthew
And the whole point is that you don't actually use deadly force until you have serious reason to believe they might be capable of killing someone.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:30:45 PM
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NOBODY USED DEADLY FORCE.
Deadly stupidity. . .the jury's still out on that one.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:31:22 PM
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And the whole point is that you don't actually use deadly force until you have serious reason to believe they might be capable of killing someone.
Using a taser is not using deadly force.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:31:39 PM
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But wait.. just a few weeks ago you claimed the gun control laws in NYC work and are needed. How could any trader or office worker in your building even have a gun? That's preposterous!
Not possible, everyone in NYC knows that they cannot have a gun if they're not the police. C'mon, blessedinnyc.. you know only the police have weapons.
If this happened in NYC, I would be outraged. My simple point is that the trading floor is no different than the street. If you can make it to the street with a deadly weapon, you can obviously make it inside the building with one.
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It's just not possible, your life is not danger up there from guns. We all know the cities with gun-control laws have no gun violence.
We certainly have less. One would hope this would not happen in NYC. The officers are better trained, have less than Texas-sized egos, and there are much fewer guns to worry about.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:32:28 PM
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Would a bullet to the knee have been less deadly?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:32:57 PM
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NOBODY USED DEADLY FORCE.
Deadly stupidity. . .the jury's still out on that one.
'Bout says it all...
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:33:29 PM
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Would a bullet to the knee have been less deadly?
Exactly, that's the same kind of deadly force which isn't supposed to be used unless someone is threatening someone else's life.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:34:08 PM
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A mob scenerio in my opinion would be a reason to use pepper spray. The pastor had no business talking to the police nor the people pulled over while things were going on regardless if the person pulled over was a member or not. And, the pastor was 100% wrong in bringing the congregation outside.
Had the pastor not made the decisions he did, he would not have been tazed.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:34:23 PM
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But wait.. just a few weeks ago you claimed the gun control laws in NYC work and are needed. How could any trader or office worker in your building even have a gun? That's preposterous!
Not possible, everyone in NYC knows that they cannot have a gun if they're not the police. C'mon, blessedinnyc.. you know only the police have weapons.
If this happened in NYC, I would be outraged. My simple point is that the trading floor is no different than the street. If you can make it to the street with a deadly weapon, you can obviously make it inside the building with one.
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It's just not possible, your life is not danger up there from guns. We all know the cities with gun-control laws have no gun violence.
We certainly have less. One would hope this would not happen in NYC. The officers are better trained, have less than Texas-sized egos, and there are much fewer guns to worry about.
If that was true, we wouldn't have an off-duty officer getting shot dead by a uniformed officer while chasing a car thief down the street.
Again...the hole...stop digging...
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