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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:34:27 PM
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earthless
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My simple point is that the trading floor is no different than the street. If you can make it to the street with a deadly weapon, you can obviously make it inside the building with one.
But it's just simply not possible. NYC has strict gun control laws - no one but the police have guns.
Not possible!!!
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:34:51 PM
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I've become convinced after reading through this thread that Blessed is pulling everybody's leg - or at least was, in the beginning.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:35:14 PM
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have less than Texas-sized egos
So, what you are stating, is that people in Texas have big egos..? So, in effect, you are stating the pastor has a big enough ego to interfere with a policeman doing his job.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:36:18 PM
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blessedinnyc
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If that was true, we wouldn't have an off-duty officer getting shot dead by a uniformed officer while chasing a car thief down the street.
Again...the hole...stop digging...
That was in Harlem. The police don't do searches or even have the same kind of presence north of Central Park.
< Message edited by blessedinnyc -- 7/2/2009 2:43:14 PM >
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:38:41 PM
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But it's just simply not possible. NYC has strict gun control laws - no one but the police have guns.
Not possible!!!
Exactly, so this should not have to happen in NYC.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:40:01 PM
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Earthless - Granddaddy said that we should always persuade others to the truth.
However, Grandaddy said, "Only a fool argues with stupidity."
I thank YOU for your service, for setting the standards as a Godly member of law enforcement, and anytime you're down my way, I'll take you shooting at my favorite range.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:40:51 PM
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have less than Texas-sized egos
So, what you are stating, is that people in Texas have big egos..? So, in effect, you are stating the pastor has a big enough ego to interfere with a policeman doing his job.
Matthew
Exactly. The pastor may have made some mistakes, too. But conservatives are always right and have very small egos. Just take a look at the evil liberal Great One if you don't believe me. He is so arrogant for trying to work with others rather than the humble pentecostal pastor who humbly and wisely unilaterally interfered with a traffic ticket.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:41:58 PM
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Earthless - Granddaddy said that we should always persuade others to the truth.
However, Grandaddy said, "Only a fool argues with stupidity."
I thank YOU for your service, for setting the standards as a Godly member of law enforcement, and anytime you're down my way, I'll take you shooting at my favorite range.
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Earthless - Granddaddy said that we should always persuade others to the truth.
However, Grandaddy said, "Only a fool argues with stupidity."
I thank YOU for your service, for setting the standards as a Godly member of law enforcement, and anytime you're down my way, I'll take you shooting at my favorite range.
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Thanks for arguing with me for seven pages and validating that this argument isn't stupidity!
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:43:07 PM
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ironsharpensiron
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But conservatives are always right and have very small egos. Just take a look at the evil liberal Great One if you don't believe me. He is so arrogant for trying to work with others rather than the humble pentecostal pastor who humbly and wisely unilaterally interfered with a traffic ticket.
I guess you are pulling everyone's leg...good joke (not) ~ got a lot of people involved...
Matthew
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 2:44:46 PM
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Earthless - Granddaddy said that we should always persuade others to the truth.
However, Grandaddy said, "Only a fool argues with stupidity."
I thank YOU for your service, for setting the standards as a Godly member of law enforcement, and anytime you're down my way, I'll take you shooting at my favorite range.
Thank you for your kind words, God bless you.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 3:51:32 PM
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Boy this thread took of like a blaze of fire...................LOL
I didn't catch up but am sure racism is in there some where?
Since so many seem to have a liberal mindset I would
hate to even think about becoming a police officer.
When the smoke settles, maybe we will have some real evidence
of what happened. If the officer was wrong, he should be
disciplined, but from the hear say, seems like the whole thing
just blew up.
Since we're all just a bunch of spoiled selfish kiddies, I'd hate to
be an officer in today's world.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 4:45:36 PM
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You're absolutely right, and asking the police what's going on FROM YOUR OWN PROPERTY is not interfering. And again, where's the dash cam?
to distract the officer from his task is interfering and to approach to a distance where you could be perceived as a threat is STUPID
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 4:48:22 PM
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Dude, unless the pastor is grabbing the pen, he can finish writing the ticket. I work on a very noisy floor, but I can still program, which some might say requires as much or more concentration than writing a ticket.
So you would have no problem with a person standing within arms reach of your loaded firearm while your attention was focussed on away from them? You would not last long
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 4:49:42 PM
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Dude, unless the pastor is grabbing the pen, he can finish writing the ticket. I work on a very noisy floor, but I can still program, which some might say requires as much or more concentration than writing a ticket.
The officer would not be able to finish because he is now keeping an eye on the pastor; he doesn't know this man or what he is capable of doing. It has nothing to do with noise, but with safety in mind ~~ for both himself and the person he has stopped.
Matthew
Ding ding ding, we have another winner
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 4:52:04 PM
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People come up to other people and yell all the time. It doesn't mean they have a weapon or pose any sort of threat. There was a huge (verbal) fight two desks down from me the other day. Some egos got bruised, but nobody had to be arrested.
Once again you fail to recognize that policemen are often the focus of attacks and when they are present there is necessarily a loaded weapon present and they have a duty to maintain awareness of actions around that weapon at all times
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 4:54:28 PM
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I have no disdain for law enforcement. I have serious disdain for abuse of power on the taxpayer dime.
which is not the case here, the policeman was attempting to maintain awareness in a situation that a moronic pastor made into an altercation.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 4:55:45 PM
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You're absolutely right, and asking the police what's going on FROM YOUR OWN PROPERTY is not interfering.
"Police used a Taser on a pastor and pepper spray to disperse his congregants Wednesday after the pastor allegedly interfered with a traffic stop in the church parking lot."
Everyone was on church property because that is where the stop happened. That does not give the pastor permission to go interfere with the police. You cannot interfere with a cop who pulls someone over in your driveway either.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 4:56:17 PM
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And the whole point is that you don't actually use deadly force until you have serious reason to believe they might be capable of killing someone.
Good thing this officer didn't use deadly force either.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 4:58:45 PM
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Exactly, that's the same kind of deadly force which isn't supposed to be used unless someone is threatening someone else's life.
at what point would you allow a police officer to request that people step away from a LEGAL traffic stop? At what point do you from NYC believe that you would be able to give the officer in Texas permission to protect himself? Do you have any idea what the officer was experiencing as he attempted to restrain a struggling individual and he was approached by 30 people?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 9:41:59 PM
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So conservative evangelical leaders are wrong? \
Having fun with this silly mantra?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 9:48:59 PM
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So conservative evangelical leaders are wrong? \
Having fun with this silly mantra?
For some reason he believes we are all brain-washed sheep who pay heed to false teachers and false prophets.. and that we think they are never wrong.
Don't you know? He is the only "free-thinker" amongst so many of us closed-minded folk.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 9:57:29 PM
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blessedinnyc
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For some reason he believes we are all brain-washed sheep who pay heed to false teachers and false prophets.. and that we think they are never wrong.
Don't you know? He is the only "free-thinker" amongst so many of us closed-minded folk.
I would frame it the exact opposite way. Me and the other 99.5% of the country are the "sheep". The "free-thinkers", led by Limbaugh and the fundies, congregate here.
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