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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 10:01:21 PM
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blessedinnyc
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That is not what you believe, stop lying. 
No- I'm one of the random sheep that appears on this board. If a strong majority of voters agree on certain policies, they MUST be utterly delusional.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/2/2009 10:03:16 PM
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FAIL
This is getting boring.. I am reminded of "don't feed the trolls...'
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/3/2009 8:34:05 AM
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Google police state and do a similar search on youtube. Caution: The rabbit hole goes deep. Say bye bye to liberty if we don't address this corruption at the highest levels.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/3/2009 8:43:23 AM
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How does always believing a police officer over a bunch of civilians jive with the oft-stated justification for unfettered 2nd amendment rights that guns are needed to allow the public to protect themselves from an over-reaching government?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/3/2009 9:52:00 AM
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Here is an excerpt from the Houston Chronical on the incident;
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According to Smiley, an officer was talking with a motorist in the church parking lot when he ran a registration check and discovered the man had no car insurance.
Moran approached the officer and began yelling at him, demanding to know why a member of his congregation had been stopped, the police chief said.
“He said we were on private property and wanted us off the property,” Smiley said. “He was pretty aggressive.”
When Moran refused an order to leave, the officer told him that he was under arrest. Moran pushed the officer as he tried to handcuff him, Smiley said, and fled inside the church.
Moran later came out with a group of about 40 people who surrounded the officer, Smiley said. The officer, fearing for his safety, used pepper spray to disperse the crowd.
When backup officers tried to make the arrest, Smiley said Moran pushed another officer, who used his Taser to subdue him.
From this report it seems to me that the authorities were well within their rights, and the Pastor was way out of line.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/3/2009 10:46:59 AM
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Here is an excerpt from the Houston Chronical on the incident;
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According to Smiley, an officer was talking with a motorist in the church parking lot when he ran a registration check and discovered the man had no car insurance.
Moran approached the officer and began yelling at him, demanding to know why a member of his congregation had been stopped, the police chief said.
“He said we were on private property and wanted us off the property,” Smiley said. “He was pretty aggressive.”
When Moran refused an order to leave, the officer told him that he was under arrest. Moran pushed the officer as he tried to handcuff him, Smiley said, and fled inside the church.
Moran later came out with a group of about 40 people who surrounded the officer, Smiley said. The officer, fearing for his safety, used pepper spray to disperse the crowd.
When backup officers tried to make the arrest, Smiley said Moran pushed another officer, who used his Taser to subdue him.
From this report it seems to me that the authorities were well within their rights, and the Pastor was way out of line.
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RC
That can't be, the cop is an evil man and he was out to get the pastor.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/3/2009 11:37:47 AM
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Actually, you make an exceptionally good point here. Where we live, HOMEOWNERS taxes pay the salary of public officials. A lot of times, the people who are griping about the way they are or are not being served aren't even homeowners.
Exactly, ironically it is usually the people that don't pay taxes, let alone property taxes.. that make the biggest stink about things. People that actually SUCK UP tax dollars and resources.
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Just because police are public servants does not mean they are servants to you, or to the people they serve. They serve the greater good. Not the individual opinion. If you don't like whats happening in your community - VOTE. Vote on how tax dollars are being spent. . .provided your a tax payer.
Something some people seem to forget... cops are not above the law, correct. But they are also not below the law.
If you rent, part of your rent goes to pay property taxes. You do not have to be a homeowner to pay property tax.
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Here is an excerpt from the Houston Chronical on the incident;
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According to Smiley, an officer was talking with a motorist in the church parking lot when he ran a registration check and discovered the man had no car insurance.
Moran approached the officer and began yelling at him, demanding to know why a member of his congregation had been stopped, the police chief said.
“He said we were on private property and wanted us off the property,” Smiley said. “He was pretty aggressive.”
When Moran refused an order to leave, the officer told him that he was under arrest. Moran pushed the officer as he tried to handcuff him, Smiley said, and fled inside the church.
Moran later came out with a group of about 40 people who surrounded the officer, Smiley said. The officer, fearing for his safety, used pepper spray to disperse the crowd.
When backup officers tried to make the arrest, Smiley said Moran pushed another officer, who used his Taser to subdue him.
From this report it seems to me that the authorities were well within their rights, and the Pastor was way out of line.
Thanks
RC
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If this were true and the pastor had pushed him, why wouldn't the officer tase him then, when he DIDN'T have the congregation out there?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/3/2009 11:40:06 AM
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From this report it seems to me that the authorities were well within their rights, and the Pastor was way out of line.
I'll reserve judgment until I see the dashcam. Neither cops nor pastors are above bending the truth to suit their own agenda.
-Dan.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/4/2009 2:36:27 PM
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If you rent, part of your rent goes to pay property taxes. You do not have to be a homeowner to pay property tax.
If you ask the people who collect the taxes who pays it's the homeowner... Using the above logic whoever pays the renter a wage or gives them the money for the rent is paying the property taxes....
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/4/2009 3:08:49 PM
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rcjames
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If this were true and the pastor had pushed him, why wouldn't the officer tase him then, when he DIDN'T have the congregation out there?
Maby the officer was just trying to keep the peace, and did not feel it necessary to escalate the force until the Pastor showed back up with a mob to support him in interferring in an official duty.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/4/2009 4:20:25 PM
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/4/2009 5:51:06 PM
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If you rent, part of your rent goes to pay property taxes. You do not have to be a homeowner to pay property tax.
cc: Section 8 Housing...
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/5/2009 1:34:27 AM
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If you rent, part of your rent goes to pay property taxes. You do not have to be a homeowner to pay property tax.
If you ask the people who collect the taxes who pays it's the homeowner... Using the above logic whoever pays the renter a wage or gives them the money for the rent is paying the property taxes....
Landlords pass on the property tax expense directly to the renter as part of the rent. What kind of business owner would they be if they didn't?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/5/2009 3:01:16 AM
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If you rent, part of your rent goes to pay property taxes. You do not have to be a homeowner to pay property tax.
If you ask the people who collect the taxes who pays it's the homeowner... Using the above logic whoever pays the renter a wage or gives them the money for the rent is paying the property taxes....
Landlords pass on the property tax expense directly to the renter as part of the rent. What kind of business owner would they be if they didn't?
Who get the bill? The owner... Who gets credit for paying for it? The owner...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/5/2009 9:33:09 AM
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rcjames
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Landlords pass on the property tax expense directly to the renter as part of the rent. What kind of business owner would they be if they didn't?
I really do not understand the concern, but if the Chruch owns the property there is no tax.
And in many jurisdictions if the rental property is used by a valid Chruch there is an exemption for the owner; for the time it is used as such.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/5/2009 12:57:38 PM
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If you rent, part of your rent goes to pay property taxes. You do not have to be a homeowner to pay property tax.
If you ask the people who collect the taxes who pays it's the homeowner... Using the above logic whoever pays the renter a wage or gives them the money for the rent is paying the property taxes....
Landlords pass on the property tax expense directly to the renter as part of the rent. What kind of business owner would they be if they didn't?
Who get the bill? The owner... Who gets credit for paying for it? The owner...
Funny how in my 18 years of renting my rent only raised up in years that witnessed big property tax hits in my area.
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cc: Section 8 Housing...
That would be the exception to the rent rule.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/5/2009 8:38:53 PM
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Funny how in my 18 years of renting my rent only raised up in years that witnessed big property tax hits in my area.
How many tax bills has the city and or county sent you for the property?
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/5/2009 10:25:51 PM
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I guess the OP has a problem with police, the title points in that direction anyway. The congregants were not attacked, the police used pepper spray when they were approached by 30+ people. The pastor would not have been tased had he not chosen to interfere in police business.
Are you kidding me? And the others on here saying that the police basically used good judgement, should be ashamed of yourselves. There is known fact that police use excessive force, and I'd say most times, unnecessarily. We are christians, supposedly on this site, and to say had the pastor not interferred... I just can't believe what I'm hearing. And these kinds of morals are just why the church is so messed up.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/5/2009 10:46:49 PM
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How many tax bills has the city and or county sent you for the property?
Just like any other service providing industry or specifically small business providing a service, my landlord isn't a taxpayer but a tax collector. If government raising taxes on small businesses or any business impacts the cost of doing business and forces them to pass those costs onto the customer it is the same for a landlord. My landlord provides a service and I pay for that service. Taxes that impact that service impact me just the same as taxes that impact my auto mechanic, the car rental company I just used, and the local pizza shop we like to eat at.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/6/2009 12:49:01 AM
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It's a good thing that the thing didn't go down in our city. The Police here shoot first, sort it out later. As usual, the officer is always found to be within the law and department guidlines and returned to duty.
This is not the city to mess with the po-po. What cha goin t do when they come for you, bad boys, bad boys. Sure all suspects are considered not guilty. Kind of hard to state your case when you've achieved room temperature.
The Wild West is alive. When LA was going cosmo, men still walked the streets with side arms, hence that famous song by Buck which asked the time honored question, "ever walk the streets of Bakersfield." Not lately because it's only 103* out there.
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/6/2009 1:42:15 AM
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Are you kidding me? And the others on here saying that the police basically used good judgement, should be ashamed of yourselves. There is known fact that police use excessive force, and I'd say most times, unnecessarily. We are christians, supposedly on this site, and to say had the pastor not interferred... I just can't believe what I'm hearing. And these kinds of morals are just why the church is so messed up.
So, you are agreeing that the pastor was in the right to interfere with a police officer..? Push the police officer..? Run into the church and bring out the congregation to confront the police officer..? And you're saying we're morally messed up..?
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RE: Texas Police shoot Pentecostal pastor with taser; a... - 7/6/2009 1:47:52 AM
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Are you kidding me? And the others on here saying that the police basically used good judgement, should be ashamed of yourselves. There is known fact that police use excessive force, and I'd say most times, unnecessarily. We are christians, supposedly on this site, and to say had the pastor not interferred... I just can't believe what I'm hearing. And these kinds of morals are just why the church is so messed up.
So, you are agreeing that the pastor was in the right to interfere with a police officer..? Push the police officer..? Run into the church and bring out the congregation to confront the police officer..? And you're saying we're morally messed up..?
Matthew
Well stated. It should only be a very radical situation in which a Christian physically interferes with a law enforcement officer. This wasn't one of those situations.
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