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jazzact13 -> alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/2/2009 4:13:28 PM)

I saw a poster at the local theater recently. It was for the coming Alice in Wonderland, where Tim Burton and Johnny Depp team up to make another beloved story into a creepy, brightly colored, cinematic nightmare. Here's the pic that was on the poster.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm323782656/tt1014759

Sometimes I can only wonder what these people are thinking.



uncabeeil -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/2/2009 4:24:45 PM)

I know what they're thinking. Two words: Cha ching.

But I never really though Alice's Adventures was all sweetness and light, either. That's a pretty twisted little tale and Burton and Depp are perfectly suited to it. You've actually got me curious, now.



jodavi -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/2/2009 5:01:33 PM)

'saw this a week ago and actually looking forward to this movie.



stellaluna -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/2/2009 7:00:12 PM)

Are you kidding? Tim Burton and Johnny Depp are perfect for Alice in Wonderland--a wonderful hallucinatory adventure. [:D]



themoodyexperience -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/2/2009 7:58:53 PM)

They have had a pretty good track record....Charlie & The Chocolate Factory not withstanding.



jodavi -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/2/2009 8:57:27 PM)

They also did Edward Scissorhands, Corpse Bride and Ed Wood.



todd_t -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/2/2009 9:24:52 PM)

There was a video game a while back called "American McGee's Alice" about Alice returning to Wonderland at age 16 following the death of her parents in a house fire.

As a result, Wonderland is corrupted by Alice's guilt, as she blames herself for her parents' death and proceeds level by level to a final confrontation with herself (as embodied by The Red Queen).

I wonder if Burton borrowed a few pages from that story.

I'm not sure if I like the makeup job on Johnny Depp as the Hatter, though. Looks a little too Joker-ish for my taste.



Tinkerbell_ -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/2/2009 11:16:06 PM)

I'm not a fan of Tim Burton at all, but if he can do this dark tale justice I may just be intrigued enough to watch it.



Adrenalinejunkie -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/3/2009 11:19:55 AM)

I would really love to miss this one...



_Cinderella_ -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/6/2009 4:17:38 AM)

I do not like Tum Burton or Johnny Depp, so I have no plans to see anything either of them make.



PHmosh1 -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/6/2009 7:54:22 AM)

This might be interesting.

You never know with Tim Burton, though. He's alway been hit-or-miss in my opinion.



everythingat -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/6/2009 1:18:55 PM)

I think what they're doing with it is definitely appropriate.

Most people haven't actually read these old children's books, but have seen the movies...whether it's Disney, etc. and have an idea in their head of what they should be. Wizard of Oz was messed up. The Tin Man had a spell cast on him when he was human, causing him to cut off all of his limbs. Peter Pan was depressing, Wendy would hold him as he had awful nightmares and he was such a lonely person. The movies make these stories all cheerful, when in reality...they're kinda the opposite.



angie4God -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/6/2009 2:31:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

Are you kidding? Tim Burton and Johnny Depp are perfect for Alice in Wonderland--a wonderful hallucinatory adventure. [:D]


I agree! I'm sooo looking forward to this! Can't wait to tell DH!

I've grown up seeing a few versions of Alice in Wonderland and I can't wait to see what Tim Burton has in mind for it.

On a side note: Does anyone remember this one musical version of Alice in Wonderland that was shown as a mini-series many years ago on NBC - in the 80's I think. It had a bunch of celebrities, John Stamos, Ann Jillian, Carol Channing and a bunch of others. Loved that one.



angie4God -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/6/2009 2:33:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: everythingat

I think what they're doing with it is definitely appropriate.

Most people haven't actually read these old children's books, but have seen the movies...whether it's Disney, etc. and have an idea in their head of what they should be. Wizard of Oz was messed up. The Tin Man had a spell cast on him when he was human, causing him to cut off all of his limbs. Peter Pan was depressing, Wendy would hold him as he had awful nightmares and he was such a lonely person. The movies make these stories all cheerful, when in reality...they're kinda the opposite.


So true. I thought of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Alot of people said the one with Johnny Depp seemed closer to the book.



stellaluna -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/6/2009 2:34:25 PM)

That's true. I think Disney was the king of homogenizing fairy tales and wrapping them up in pretty little bows.



friend2every1 -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/6/2009 9:32:08 PM)

Well, it will probably be a lot like Coraline. "Coraline" was the first "dark" PG movie. It probably was so dark that it could have been an R film!



stellaluna -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/6/2009 9:39:37 PM)

I didn't see the movie, but Coraline the book is quite disturbing. I can't imagine that the movie would be much different, unless it was totally Disney-ized.



Tinkerbell_ -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/7/2009 8:12:42 AM)

It wasn't. It was pretty dark.



Market42Fan -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/7/2009 11:21:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: angie4God

On a side note: Does anyone remember this one musical version of Alice in Wonderland that was shown as a mini-series many years ago on NBC - in the 80's I think. It had a bunch of celebrities, John Stamos, Ann Jillian, Carol Channing and a bunch of others. Loved that one.


CBS aired it in 1985 (may have been a repeat). I found a promo for it mixed among some local ads for the Rudolph special on my area's CBS affiliate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THlECJieCq4



Soxfan -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/8/2009 9:38:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: angie4God

quote:

ORIGINAL: everythingat

I think what they're doing with it is definitely appropriate.

Most people haven't actually read these old children's books, but have seen the movies...whether it's Disney, etc. and have an idea in their head of what they should be. Wizard of Oz was messed up. The Tin Man had a spell cast on him when he was human, causing him to cut off all of his limbs. Peter Pan was depressing, Wendy would hold him as he had awful nightmares and he was such a lonely person. The movies make these stories all cheerful, when in reality...they're kinda the opposite.


So true. I thought of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Alot of people said the one with Johnny Depp seemed closer to the book.


It was almost EXACTLY like the book, except for Wonka's flashbacks to hius childhood.

Roald Dahl hated the Gene Wilder version. His family was so happy when Burton made it more true to the book



Auben -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/8/2009 9:53:24 AM)

Eh. Burton's was darker (as Dahl's was also rather dark), but he didn't grasp that sense of wonder which pervades the book. While I'm not a huge fan of the Wilder version I felt he embodied the wonder of Willy Wonka better than Depp did (the focus being on Wonka's demons in the Depp version rather than his eccentricities and child-like faith that anything can happen).



SurpassingPeace -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/8/2009 11:20:39 AM)

I am looking forward to see this movie. Many people don't understand that most of our "children's" stories are anything but. Most of them of full of darkness, sexual themes, murder, political satire, and general mayhem. The original story of Sleeping Beauty wouldn't be fit to print on this site. Disney changed them into children's fluff. I can see where you would be shocked if you only had Disney as your guide rather than the original books/ stories.



serasvictoria -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/10/2009 3:39:40 AM)

Johnny Depp + Tim Burton = another movie I must add to my collection



aslouie -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/11/2009 8:23:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SurpassingPeace

I am looking forward to see this movie. Many people don't understand that most of our "children's" stories are anything but. Most of them of full of darkness, sexual themes, murder, political satire, and general mayhem. The original story of Sleeping Beauty wouldn't be fit to print on this site. Disney changed them into children's fluff. I can see where you would be shocked if you only had Disney as your guide rather than the original books/ stories.

Funny you mentioned it, 'cause when I first read and watched the anime, Jin Roh, it makes ample thematic use of the original German version of Little Red Riding Hood, which I'm told is much darker and violent than the Disney version; well that, and the little-known prologue where the titular heroine had to shed some iron suit she's forced to wear, before much of the story as we know it, takes place.



aslouie -> RE: alice in wonderland--the new nightmare (7/11/2009 8:27:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SurpassingPeace

I am looking forward to see this movie. Many people don't understand that most of our "children's" stories are anything but. Most of them of full of darkness, sexual themes, murder, political satire, and general mayhem. The original story of Sleeping Beauty wouldn't be fit to print on this site. Disney changed them into children's fluff. I can see where you would be shocked if you only had Disney as your guide rather than the original books/ stories.

Hmmm... were you also aware of this recently published book called (something like) The Bros. Grimm's Grimmest? It's filled with such adult subject matter one can't help but wondered how it was passed off as children's fare back in their day... but then again, one might say many of the fairy tales of yore were hardly or never meant to be family-friendly--given how the Europe of The Grimm Bros.' time, always had the specter of death around them, vis-a-vis, by war (Protestant vs. Catholic, Revolutionary period), by disease (if not Bubonic Plague, perhaps it's Cholera or worse), short life expectancy, and perhaps even the coming horrors that is/was The Industrial Revolution.



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