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bob97 -> Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 1:01:04 AM)

Oh Boy...look what's coming to town and I think they are right on the button...we are almost there now.


http://watchmannewsletter.typepad.com/news/2009/06/cash-to-become-extinct-as-chips-take-off.html

Bob



MrFribbles -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 2:53:51 AM)

...So? People freaked out when credit cards came into the majority of the populace, and we're still here. These chips don't require the worship of any false deity, just as owning a credit card didn't.



Retrobyter -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 8:48:59 AM)

Shabbat shalom, MrFribbles.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

...So? People freaked out when credit cards came into the majority of the populace, and we're still here. These chips don't require the worship of any false deity, just as owning a credit card didn't.


Right, but I think what Bob and others are worried about is that this is just one more step that will make it easier for the second beast (the false prophet) to control people to force them to worship that false deity, the first beast. (Rev. 13:11-17) That's all; just one step closer.

In the Messiah's love,

Roy



bob97 -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 10:51:34 AM)

MrFribbles...you have a buck in you hand today and no one can take that away from you unless you decide to spend it. On the other hand if all you have is a credit in some government computer you have no real control over it at all. There is a difference.

Today you can bury your money in the back yard...tomorrow the government can bury your credit in a place you'll never find it.

Bob



MrFribbles -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 1:47:24 PM)

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you have a buck in you hand today and no one can take that away from you unless you decide to spend it.


Or unless the government decides to devalue that buck to the point that it's nothing but a flimsy piece of cotton paper. A dollar bill has next to no value to it in and of itself; its value comes from the government saying it has value.

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On the other hand if all you have is a credit in some government computer you have no real control over it at all. There is a difference.


I don't see one. Since, to my knowledge, my government hasn't taken any of my money (except the money I legally allow them to through taxes, of course), I don't see any more chance of my money being magically whisked off some computer than the value of my cash suddenly vanishing.



bob97 -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 2:12:51 PM)

Your faith in the secular world far exceeds mine brother...I hope you are right.[8|]

Bob



MrFribbles -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 2:52:28 PM)

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Your faith in the secular world far exceeds mine brother


I don't have much faith at all in the secular world. But I do have faith in Matthew 6:25-34. Since our society operates on currency, I don't think God will allow all of it to get sucked into a cyber black hole. And even if it does, so what? God will still look after us.



bob97 -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 3:12:41 PM)

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so what? God will still look after us.


Don't get me wrong...I'm not worried about it in the least, my God will provide. It is just an update of where we are heading.

I'm just one to see the glass half full when it comes to secular governments. Governments that have lost the moral guidance of Gods precepts, governments that operate based on greed and what ever it takes to stay in power.

Bob



stellaluna -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 9:11:10 PM)

If it makes anyone feel better, cash had left my life (in favor of my Visa debit) for several years. Then I moved to NYC...where everyone wants "cash only." [8|]



SonicStudent -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 9:12:48 PM)

Hi Bob bro'

Very interesting post there my friend. I do understand why Mr.Fribbles and many others say things like "oh folks got convinced the end times were all but upon us when credit cards came out" etc.
However, (and I say this with respect) we can be so disgruntled with past claims that proved to be nothing, and so negative in regard to the next possibility because of those failed claims, that in our scepticism we either miss the real thing when it is upon us, or at least miss the stepping stones that are leading to it.
Because one day it will be the real deal, and at some point, whatever it ends up being, it will require our acceptance and allegiance too a world government opposed to God and His kingdom principles by its very nature. By accepting the governing laws and trading rules, you become a citizen and in allowing and accepting you all but worship.
Just as God seals His children at the point of faith and acceptance, I believe so will Satan want to do the same.

I personally don't see the introduction of the credit card way back as not significant. Reason being, it was a 1st step in preparing or conditioning minds into cashless society.

The World Bank and the Fed Reserve aren't lending money out to a troubled world because it has a huge heart. They want the nations in debt to gain control of those nations. Once they've dished out enough debt to the power nations, they are in control, because, whoever you are in debt too, you are the slave of. Then, when the debt is universal, pull the plug, call in the debt owed, with interest, and the whole world financial structure collapses like a pack of cards! The only option left open to the nations then is accept the then 'New Order', brought in by the very people that caused the collapse.

The report says within ten years cash could be out, which I think is a fare timeline under current conditions. However, I personally believe, if these Elite Power men wanted too, they could speed even that up if they indeed manipulate the market and cause another crash and call in previous ridiculous debts from the current crisis. We all know the Fed Reserve have done this in the past, and unless I'm wrong, I have not seen any signs of them repenting.

Mark



bob97 -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 9:33:34 PM)

Hi Mark...good to see ya.

Yes...debt is the key, who ever owns the receivables of the world has control; who eats and who starves, who stays warm and who freezes to death. [&o]

Bob



SonicStudent -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 9:51:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bob97

Hi Mark...good to see ya.

Yes...debt is the key, who ever owns the receivables of the world has control; who eats and who starves, who stays warm and who freezes to death. [&o]

Bob


So very true. But more than this, I have come to believe and see that this is the very plan of a very powerful group of elites, and rather soon too. To purposefully bring th nations to their knees by means of debt owed, by calling it back in at a given time, then through the calapse this will cause, which will make the Wall Street crash and the great depression look like Billy loosing his piggy bank, and bringing in their new one world system, which the world will accept, because the other option will be too unbareable. The world might even see the New World Order as a kinda saviour, not knowing that they'd been working to bring this about for over 100 years, so they'll believe the lie!



MrFribbles -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 10:48:31 PM)

SonicStudent,

Where in Scripture does it say that a cashless society is a precursor to the end-times?



Retrobyter -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 11:21:52 PM)

Shalom, MrFribbles.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

SonicStudent,

Where in Scripture does it say that a cashless society is a precursor to the end-times?


Again, you're right; it doesn't, BUT it would make it easier to fulfill Rev. 13. How else is one going to control who can buy or sell what worldwide? The world is a MUCH bigger place than most understand, especially in religious circles. We talk so glibbly about "God so loved the world" that we neglect to think about just how big the world is!

Therefore, the real power behind what Mark is saying is that the whole world would be much easier for one man to control if we were to exist in a worldwide cashless society. While the Scriptures do not say that such a society must exist first, it is ONE possibility that certainly could quickly bring on the fulfillment of Rev. 13.

In the Messiah's love,

Roy



MrFribbles -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 11:31:33 PM)

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it would make it easier to fulfill Rev. 13. How else is one going to control who can buy or sell what worldwide?


We don't know what the economic or world system is going to look like when the End comes. Empires have risen and fallen since Christ's time on earth; who's to say that the entire smorgasbord of ways of life as we know it all over this planet won't be radically different before it all comes to a close?

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it is ONE possibility that certainly could quickly bring on the fulfillment of Rev. 13.


Sure it is. But people have been banking on possibilities for the past 2,000 years, with a 0% rate of success is accurately discerning them as signs of an impending (and by impending, I mean no more than 25-50 years from the time the certain thing comes onto the scene) Return.
I'll admit it's a possibility, but not that it's somehow the possibility.



bob97 -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/4/2009 11:45:55 PM)

MrFibbles…the skeptic will never see it coming. Admittedly those of Christ might not be in jeopardy but even they could buy into something unwanted which could cost them dearly.

Bob



Retrobyter -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/5/2009 2:05:36 AM)

Shalom, Mark.

quote:

ORIGINAL: SonicStudent

Hi Bob bro'

Very interesting post there my friend. I do understand why Mr.Fribbles and many others say things like "oh folks got convinced the end times were all but upon us when credit cards came out" etc.
However, (and I say this with respect) we can be so disgruntled with past claims that proved to be nothing, and so negative in regard to the next possibility because of those failed claims, that in our scepticism we either miss the real thing when it is upon us, or at least miss the stepping stones that are leading to it.
Because one day it will be the real deal, and at some point, whatever it ends up being, it will require our acceptance and allegiance too a world government opposed to God and His kingdom principles by its very nature. By accepting the governing laws and trading rules, you become a citizen and in allowing and accepting you all but worship.
Just as God seals His children at the point of faith and acceptance, I believe so will Satan want to do the same.

I personally don't see the introduction of the credit card way back as not significant. Reason being, it was a 1st step in preparing or conditioning minds into cashless society.

The World Bank and the Fed Reserve aren't lending money out to a troubled world because it has a huge heart. They want the nations in debt to gain control of those nations. Once they've dished out enough debt to the power nations, they are in control, because, whoever you are in debt too, you are the slave of. Then, when the debt is universal, pull the plug, call in the debt owed, with interest, and the whole world financial structure collapses like a pack of cards! The only option left open to the nations then is accept the then 'New Order', brought in by the very people that caused the collapse.

The report says within ten years cash could be out, which I think is a fare timeline under current conditions. However, I personally believe, if these Elite Power men wanted too, they could speed even that up if they indeed manipulate the market and cause another crash and call in previous ridiculous debts from the current crisis. We all know the Fed Reserve have done this in the past, and unless I'm wrong, I have not seen any signs of them repenting.

Mark


Right you are! I have heard all of this before, but it's always a good idea to remind oneself of the underlying reasons for our economic problems.

Prov 22:7
7 The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.
KJV

Debt IS the key, as Bob said. Perhaps, they took a lesson from Pharaoh during Yosef's rise to power:

Gen 47:13-26
13 There was no food, however, in the whole region because the famine was severe; both Egypt and Canaan wasted away because of the famine. 14 Joseph collected all the money that was to be found in Egypt and Canaan in payment for the grain they were buying, and he brought it to Pharaoh's palace. 15 When the money of the people of Egypt and Canaan was gone, all Egypt came to Joseph and said, "Give us food. Why should we die before your eyes? Our money is used up."
16 "Then bring your livestock," said Joseph. "I will sell you food in exchange for your livestock, since your money is gone." 17 So they brought their livestock to Joseph, and he gave them food in exchange for their horses, their sheep and goats, their cattle and donkeys. And he brought them through that year with food in exchange for all their livestock.
18 When that year was over, they came to him the following year and said, "We cannot hide from our lord the fact that since our money is gone and our livestock belongs to you, there is nothing left for our lord except our bodies and our land. 19 Why should we perish before your eyes — we and our land as well? Buy us and our land in exchange for food, and we with our land will be in bondage to Pharaoh. Give us seed so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate."
20 So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh. The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh's, 21 and Joseph reduced the people to servitude, from one end of Egypt to the other. 22 However, he did not buy the land of the priests, because they received a regular allotment from Pharaoh and had food enough from the allotment Pharaoh gave them. That is why they did not sell their land.
23 Joseph said to the people, "Now that I have bought you and your land today for Pharaoh, here is seed for you so you can plant the ground. 24 But when the crop comes in, give a fifth of it to Pharaoh. The other four-fifths you may keep as seed for the fields and as food for yourselves and your households and your children."
25 "You have saved our lives," they said. "May we find favor in the eyes of our lord; we will be in bondage to Pharaoh."
26 So Joseph established it as a law concerning land in Egypt — still in force today — that a fifth of the produce belongs to Pharaoh. It was only the land of the priests that did not become Pharaoh's.
NIV

In any case, yes, Obama is just another puppet while the REAL money barons are behind the scenes pulling all the strings! It's just a sad thing to live through this and watch the downfall of the USA as we quickly become a socialist state.

While I love the USA and am loyal to it, my first loyalties are to the Messiah of Elohiym and to the Kingdom that He will establish upon His return.

Don't you find it interesting that Yeshua` has always been called "Mashiach" ("Messiah") and not "Melek?" or in Greek, "Christos" ("Christ") and not "Basileus?" or in English "Anointed" ("Rubbed" with oil as a sign of selection to be King) and not "King?" Only in the prophecies is He called a "King!" While He was in His natural body before His death and resurrection, His title was ALWAYS "Christos," although He was certainly SUPPOSED to be "King!" Only when He was sentenced to death did they mockingly call Him the "King of the Jews."

A kingdom requires three things: One who has the right to be king, a realm over which that king might preside, and willing subjects who would answer to him as their king. Two of these elements were found while Yeshua` was here during His first coming. He was there with the God-given right to be King, being anointed by the Ruach HaQodesh (the Holy Spirit) at His baptism, and there was a realm over which He could have reigned, haEretz Yisra'el (the Land of Isra'el). Unfortunately, the willing subjects were not to be found. No one with the authority of the nation Isra'el stepped up to anoint Him as THE NATION'S King! Only on an individual basis could would-be subjects declare their loyalty to the Messiah.

Of course, all of this was part of God's omniscient plan to include the Goyim (Gentiles) as His would-be subjects.

On the other hand, the "church" (as though it were some sort of entity of its own) has NEVER been a replacement for Isra'el as God's Kingdom! THAT little piece of fiction started in the late 200s to the mid 300s A.D.

Now, I brought all that up to lay the foundation for this: The parables of Matthew 13 are about the KINGDOM! That's not to say that these are parables about the "church" nor are they parables about the present age at all!

Finally, here's some of Yeshua`s parables about the Kingdom WHICH IS YET TO COME:

Matt 13:31-33,44-46
31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
...
44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
KJV

These are parables about Yeshua` and HIS ability to be greater than haMelek Shlomo (King Solomon) in His finances. People will be clammoring to enter His Kingdom because HIS Kingdom will be the wealthiest in the world!

In the Messiah's love,

Roy



tony.nz -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/5/2009 5:43:40 AM)

quote:

I don't see one. Since, to my knowledge, my government hasn't taken any of my money (except the money I legally allow them to through taxes, of course), I don't see any more chance of my money being magically whisked off some computer than the value of my cash suddenly vanishing.


This seems rather naive. The value of your cash could only disappear, if through catestrophic economic failure, every other persons cash did likewise. On the other hand, it is very easy for money to be "whisked off some computer", and it doesn't require any magic. Simply some person with either authorised or unauthorised access to your bank's computer system.

The thing that concerns me, that is very different to the introduction of credit cards, is the suggestion that it will not be possible to purchase certain items with cash. That is taking things to a new level, because then it is indeed possible not only to control people through electronic data systems, but to monitor them also.

Now, while I would certainly grant you that it is by no means provable that there is an intention to control and monitor people through the banking system in this manner, I would however say that the potential is self evident. One could say that it would be entirely plausable even now for this to occur, since most people do not use a great deal of cash, tracking the individuals use of a credit or cash card effectively would track their movements, since people use very little cash. What is proposed here would simply make that process somewhat more effective. And, it would be very easy to stop someone being able to "buy and sell" - simply put a hold on their bank account. Without cash - what could you do?

Of course you say, but what proof is there, that there is such a plan to use the system for evil? Does there need to be proof? Does not the history of humanity teach us that evil plans and schemes it's way to control others? What if a person like Hitler came along in the 21st century? He could simply have closed every Jew's bank accounts, no need to worry about sending the SS around to rob their possessions. Simply, the potential for such abuse should worry every person in society - not just Christians. But it seems to be accepted as just the relentless march of technology.

But still, there is no proof of any evil plan behind this procession to a cashless society. Unless you consider the Word of God evidence to put before the court, your honor.

Rev 13:16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no-one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

You can quite rightly point out that this is not proposing putting a mark on anybody's hand or forehead. Nevertheless, it does appear to me to be a step towards this, which would be the next logical step. Scripture must be fulfilled, it's your choice as to whether to put your head in the sand.

quote:

SonicStudent,

Where in Scripture does it say that a cashless society is a precursor to the end-times?


It is not a precurser to end times, but a symptom of it. As the above makes clear, it is one of the tools used by the Deceiver to attempt to stamp his control over the world.



Retrobyter -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/5/2009 9:58:10 AM)

Shalom, Tony.
quote:

ORIGINAL: tony.nz

quote:

I don't see one. Since, to my knowledge, my government hasn't taken any of my money (except the money I legally allow them to through taxes, of course), I don't see any more chance of my money being magically whisked off some computer than the value of my cash suddenly vanishing.


This seems rather naive. The value of your cash could only disappear, if through catestrophic economic failure, every other persons cash did likewise. On the other hand, it is very easy for money to be "whisked off some computer", and it doesn't require any magic. Simply some person with either authorised or unauthorised access to your bank's computer system.

The thing that concerns me, that is very different to the introduction of credit cards, is the suggestion that it will not be possible to purchase certain items with cash. That is taking things to a new level, because then it is indeed possible not only to control people through electronic data systems, but to monitor them also.

Now, while I would certainly grant you that it is by no means provable that there is an intention to control and monitor people through the banking system in this manner, I would however say that the potential is self evident. One could say that it would be entirely plausable even now for this to occur, since most people do not use a great deal of cash, tracking the individuals use of a credit or cash card effectively would track their movements, since people use very little cash. What is proposed here would simply make that process somewhat more effective. And, it would be very easy to stop someone being able to "buy and sell" - simply put a hold on their bank account. Without cash - what could you do?

Of course you say, but what proof is there, that there is such a plan to use the system for evil? Does there need to be proof? Does not the history of humanity teach us that evil plans and schemes it's way to control others? What if a person like Hitler came along in the 21st century? He could simply have closed every Jew's bank accounts, no need to worry about sending the SS around to rob their possessions. Simply, the potential for such abuse should worry every person in society - not just Christians. But it seems to be accepted as just the relentless march of technology.

But still, there is no proof of any evil plan behind this procession to a cashless society. Unless you consider the Word of God evidence to put before the court, your honor.

Rev 13:16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no-one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

You can quite rightly point out that this is not proposing putting a mark on anybody's hand or forehead. Nevertheless, it does appear to me to be a step towards this, which would be the next logical step. Scripture must be fulfilled, it's your choice as to whether to put your head in the sand.

quote:

SonicStudent,

Where in Scripture does it say that a cashless society is a precursor to the end-times?


It is not a precurser to end times, but a symptom of it. As the above makes clear, it is one of the tools used by the Deceiver to attempt to stamp his control over the world.


Right you are! Another thing that's rather naïve about the first quote is that our dollar has been shrinking ever since we were taken off the gold standard. Through normal inflationary practices (raising one's prices in an attempt to gain more income from one's products and services cascading into others raising their prices) without any absolutes cause our dollar to shrink! For instance, for years the rule of thumb has been that "automobile prices double every twenty years." (I don't think that's necessarily true any more in our current economic dilemma.) Now, I know that's not the government but rather our society that has devalued our dollar, but they help make it possible. Furthermore, not all taxes are "legal" or "allowed" by the tax-payers. Many, MANY dollars of our tax money goes to pork-barrel spending! Concessions are made to many lobbyists promising them money that either isn't there yet (forcing taxes to be raised) or diverting money from other needs from which they, in turn, will have to raise taxes. Tariffs and levies are often raised by the government over which we have no control but will still affect our net incomes and spending! So, yeah, the government has a hand in the till.

By the way, you can only half the dollar so many times until its value falls below the original cent! I'm trying to remember, but it seems like it was in the late 80s when they were complaining that it cost the government more to make the penny than the penny was worth. Maybe someone else knows the actual year?

In the Messiah's love,

Roy



bob97 -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/5/2009 10:19:06 AM)

Without gold backing the dollar, what really does the dollar mean? It is only a tenuous value that someone establishes. Actually how much actual money do you have now…a few dollars in your pocket and the rest is currently contained in a computer somewhere? If you have savings, it is not real money, it is only a credit listed to your account that in reality you have no real control over. The only control that you have is a favor of the state and the integrity of the officials of the state.

Bob



eschatologist -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/5/2009 1:54:06 PM)

The main thing we're seeing here is another sign of the times. It's a sign that we're getting very close to the time of the very end when the antichrist will rise to power and take over the world and cause everybody to take his mark in their right hand or forehead. Nobody will be able to buy or sell anything without this mark. Before the introduction and invention of the computers, computer chips and credit cards most Christians who read these prophecies in Rev. 13 probably pictured the mark of the beast as some kind of tattoo on people's forheads or right hands which they would show to the store clerk to prove they were bonafide members of the one-world government and then they would pay for the items they wanted to buy with cash from their pocket.

But there are a few problems with this interpretaion of the mark of the beast being only a tattoo but with people still paying for things with cash. First of all it would be almost totally impossible for somebody to form a one-world government and be able to take over the world and control everybody as long as people can still use cash to buy and sell things. Why? Because corruption would be rampant. For example what would prevent a store owner from going ahead and selling a product to somebody who doesn't have the tattoo? After all, the store owner is in it for the money and why would he refuse to sell something and make money just because the person doesn't have the number 666 tattooed on his right hand or in his forhead? Even though it would be illegal to do it under the antichrist one-world government he would still do it if he felt he could get away with it. And everybody buying and selling things could get away with it as long as they can still use cash to buy and sell. For the most part, cash is untracable, but credit and debit cards can be traced and tracked. So can cell phones and just about every other electronic device. This is one of the reasons that the whole world is racing toward a cashless society. It gives governments more power and they will be able to track the movements of all their citizens. I heard it said that if the world becomes a cashless society, the entire illegal drug trade would come to a screaching halt. Drug dealers wouldn't be able to sell drugs on the street to kids if they couldn't do it with cash. If people are forced to use either credit or debit cards or a computer chip imbedded in their cells phones in order to buy and sell things, then all the drug makers in Columbia and Mexico and Afghanistan and Thailand and all the other places where they grow poppies will have to scrap their poppy farms and start growing something more legal but less lucrative. Not having the illegal drug trade to worry about would save governments billions of dollars annually. Crime as a whole would go way down, further saving billions of dollars. Bank robbers wouldn't be able to go in and rob banks by asking the teller to fill a bag with all the cash in the drawers, because there won't be any cash in the drawers. The same with robbers trying to steal from a convenience store or something. There won't be any cash in the cash register anymore, so there won't be anything to steal. There won't be any beggars on the street because people won't be able to give them money anyway since they won't have any cash in their pockets. And even if they did, the beggar wouldn't be able to use the cash to buy anything. These things are what is giving the governments of the world the incentive to try and make the world a cashless society. But the most sinister incentive is that it gives governments more power and control over their people. If you have a computer chip in your cell phone, and this is what you use to make financial transactions, then the government can virtually follow you around wherever you go. They'll know what kind of shops you go to, what your daily routine is, what kind of things you buy, etc. Everything that you do can be traced and tracked. George Orwell's book "1984" where "big brother" government is watching your every move can truly be fulfilled in a cashless society.

This is actually what makes the prophecy in Rev. 13 such a remarkable prophecy.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to recieve a mark in their right hand, or in their forheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark,or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." (Revelations 13:16-17)

Here is a prophecy written 2,000 years ago that can only be fulfilled, literally, with today's modern technology in today's modern technological world. Which shows that our racing toward a cashless society is definitly a sign of the end, that the time of the very end and the rise of the antichrist is just around the corner. We don't have another 1,000 years or another 500 years or even antother 50. The rise of the antichrist and the great tribulation, followed by Jesus' second coming will probably happen in the lifetime of everybody reading this.

I'm not saying that the credit card or the debit card or a computer chip imbedded in your cell phone are the mark of the beast. but they are a precursor to it, and it's a sign of the times that is preparing the world and getting the final stage set for the for the soon rise of the Antichrist and the final showdown between good and evil, between God and the devil. The last days or the time of the end is actually a period of time that started with Jesus first coming and will end with His second coming. Everything that has happened in the world in the last 2,000 years, from the converting of the entire Roman empire to Christanity, to the dark ages , to the reformation, the age of learning, the industrial revolution, the colonial empires, the The communist revolutions that took over Russia and China and many other eastern nations, World wars I and II which established today's modern geopolitical climate, and the technological revolution of today's modern world which allows nations to work more closely together, using the internet to buy and sell and make financial transactions and now using these technological advances to try and create a cashless world, these are all signs of the times that prepared the world and are preparing the world for this final showdown. And now the curtain is about to be raised on the final act, which includes the rise of the antichrist, the great tribulation, and the second coming of Jesus. So you might as well get ready for it, because it's almost upon us.

Don't be of the croud of scoffers who Peter talked about, who said, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the Fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." (IIPeter 3:3-4)

We need to discern the signs of the times, as Jesus told us to.



bob97 -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/5/2009 2:12:44 PM)

Well said eschatologist.

By the way there will still be crime...it's call computer hacking, I'm sure even the AC cannot prevent that effort.

Bob



MrFribbles -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/5/2009 2:24:38 PM)

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Don't be of the croud of scoffers who Peter talked about, who said, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the Fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." (IIPeter 3:3-4)


Who on here has said they doubt that Christ is coming back, and that He could come back at any time?



eschatologist -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/5/2009 3:40:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

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Don't be of the croud of scoffers who Peter talked about, who said, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the Fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." (IIPeter 3:3-4)


Who on here has said they doubt that Christ is coming back, and that He could come back at any time?


Sorry, Mr. Fribbles, I didn't mean to insinuate that any specific person was in the class of the "scoffers" that Peter talked about. I wasn't pointing the finger at any specific person. I just wanted to mention that because, let's face it, there are quite a few people with the general attitude that "People have been saying these things about the signs of the times for thousands of years and it hasn't happened yet. So, why should we take these new signs as any indication that it's going to happen soon?" With my only intention being to make people aware that these are signs of the times that do prove that we are living in the time of the very end and that the soon coming of Jesus is definitly near, and that the ancient bible prophecies are definitly being fulfilled today before our very eyes.



MrFribbles -> RE: Cash to become extinct as chips take off (7/5/2009 3:46:17 PM)

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With my only intention being to make people aware that these are signs of the times that do prove that we are living in the time of the very end and that the soon coming of Jesus is definitly near, and that the ancient bible prophecies are definitly being fulfilled today before our very eyes.


And my problem with that is your repeated use of "definitely." People have been sure that they were living in the end times for the past 2,000, interpreting their modern-day signs just as you are.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I know that Christ can come back at any time, so you may well be right. But what will you do if the year 2,100 (not that I expect either of us will be around then, unless there are significant medical breakthroughs in the near future) rolls around and Christ hasn't returned?



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