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The Mouth of God - 7/4/2009 6:34:31 PM
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LiveZoe
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Deuteronomy 8:3 and Matt 4:4
Jesus responds to Satan with the famous phrase: "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God"
My question is: What was Deut. 8:3 and Jesus referring to? The entire Bible? Just the recorded words of Jesus and the prophets? Or is it all of that and a bag of chips? What I mean to say is...
Jesus is the bread that came down from heaven. He is the manna, the supernatural bread spoken about in Deut. 8:3. His Holy Spirit speaks to us from the Father so are the words that proceed out of the mouth of God those which the Holy Spirit speaks to us as well as all that is in the bible?
Sounds good to me.
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RE: The Mouth of God - 7/4/2009 7:25:37 PM
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"Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God"
If we use The Word of God them it can save us from the evil one For Jesus is the Word and if we abide in Him then he can abide in us and protect us from our enemies.
This also takes us to the armor of God Ephesians 6:13 Hope this helps..... love Jane
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RE: The Mouth of God - 7/4/2009 10:45:20 PM
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Yes, all of the above. Remember the audience; it was(is)Satan immediately and history past(as far back in dimension when Satan was created)and the eternal future. God's(Jehovah's)mouth is surety, righteous and glory. His judgment falls only to one found wanting for His Son atonement.
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RE: The Mouth of God - 7/5/2009 11:55:02 AM
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LiveZoe
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I think you're spiritualizing it too much when you say this: quote:
Jesus is the bread that came down from heaven. He is the manna, the supernatural bread spoken about in Deut. 8:3.
Why do I say that? Because in that passage, the bread isn't enough. "Man doesn't live by bread alone." So saying that is Jesus is suggesting that Jesus isn't sufficient. 
"Every word that proceeds from the mouth of God" would be the Scriptures, all of them. "All Scripture is God-breathed" - from His mouth - therefore it's more than just Jesus' words.
I think the words the Holy Spirit speaks to us is part of this, but one must use a lot of discernment to determine that it IS the Holy Spirit, and whether those words are for the individual only or for a group.
If you read Deut 8:3 you will see that Moses is speaking about regular bread as opposed to manna from Heaven. So when Jesus presents Himself as the Bread that came down from Heaven, He is saying that He is like the manna that came from God, not the earthly bread that comes from man. (Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." NIV John :34)
Jesus is the Word that became flesh. So I think it's safe to say that He is the Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. So God speaking to us through Him can be what we live off of. The connection Jesus and God had while He walked the earth is something that we can also have because of His sacrifice.
I agree with you about using discernment. The only way we will now the voice of God is to immerse ourselves in the bible. That is where we find the language of God and who He is. But also He reveals Himself through His creation. When we ask Him why He made certain things in certain ways, He may show us more of His motivations and therefore more of Himself. The more we get to know Him the more we know His voice.
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RE: The Mouth of God - 7/5/2009 12:16:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: LiveZoe
Deuteronomy 8:3 and Matt 4:4
Jesus responds to Satan with the famous phrase: "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God"
My question is: What was Deut. 8:3 and Jesus referring to? The entire Bible? Just the recorded words of Jesus and the prophets? Or is it all of that and a bag of chips? What I mean to say is...
Jesus is the bread that came down from heaven. He is the manna, the supernatural bread spoken about in Deut. 8:3. His Holy Spirit speaks to us from the Father so are the words that proceed out of the mouth of God those which the Holy Spirit speaks to us as well as all that is in the bible?
Sounds good to me.
Deu 8:3 So He humbled you, allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, that He might make you know that man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD.
Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' [fn] "
My understanding is that our Lord Jesus is talking about all Scripture, the whole Bible.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness,
Hope this helps.
Edwin.
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RE: The Mouth of God - 7/5/2009 1:14:16 PM
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When it says every word that proceeds from the mouth of Adonai, It means just that every word. The question then becomes how does one know when something is comong from Adonai's mouth. Deut. 8:3 was at the beginning of Moshe's farewell address. This tells us that Moshe' was telling us that Adonai has taken away the "onions and leeks" of eygpt in order to prepare us for the diet that He provides. In other words we are not to sell ourselvesfor a mess of pottage, but feast on the fat of the land that Adonai provides. That is an analogy for the teaching's of the nations. When we come to Adonai, we often need to set aside much if not all that we have learned before, so that we can build a sound foundation on Adonai's principles. This is what Moshe' is doing in the book of Deuteronomy. He was going through the things that Adonai had revealed then up to that point. Following that everyting would be compared to that to establish if it is from the mouth of Adonai.
Yeshua is building on this principle by saying that He is the embodiment of the Tanach. If one looks at Yeshua in light if the Tanach, one can see He is indeed the Word for the mouth of Adonai. Also, if one looks at the Tanach as Yeshua interprets it, we see more clearly the actual word that has proceeded from the mouth of Adonai with less need for the guess work of determining how to fillin the gaps.
Now, Adonai might give us direct revelation. However, if we place personal revelation before the recorded Word, we risk ruining our "diet" by taking in the phyosophies of the nations and the adversary. So, we determine what the Word that proceeds from the mouth of Adonai is by comparing it to what has been previously established as Adonai's Word. Adonai is the same yesterday, today and forever. Therefore, His Word is consistant.
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RE: The Mouth of God - 7/5/2009 5:30:44 PM
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Hi Bluethread.
You ask,
"The question then becomes how does one know when something is comong from Adonai's mouth".
Might I suggest,
Jhn 7:17 If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or [whether] I speak on My own [authority].
Blessings.
Edwin.
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RE: The Mouth of God - 7/6/2009 1:24:15 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: pabrain
Hi Bluethread.
You ask,
"The question then becomes how does one know when something is comong from Adonai's mouth".
Might I suggest,
Jhn 7:17 If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or [whether] I speak on My own [authority].
Blessings.
Edwin.
This is an interesting verse to choose for discerning whether something comes from Adonai's mouth or not. In context this is how we are to judge whether the words of Yeshua are truly from the mouth of Adonai. (Jn 7:16) Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me." Now, is He saying that one must simply have a desire to do Adonai's will and wait for personal revelation or is He saying that Adonai's will has been revealed already and one must desire to live according to the will that has already been revealed?
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RE: The Mouth of God - 7/6/2009 6:49:14 AM
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pabrain
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Hi Bluethread.
As always it is a matter of context,
Jhn 7:14 Now about the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught.
Jhn 7:15 And the Jews marveled, saying, "How does this Man know letters, having never studied?"
Jhn 7:16 Jesus [fn] answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
Jhn 7:17 If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or [whether] I speak on My own [authority].
Jhn 7:18 He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.
What Yeshua is saying here is, If someone listening to what He is saying wants to know if the teaching is from ELOHIM, or a mere man, all they have to do is to desire the will of Him, and they will know instantly while still listening.
How they will know is not explained here, but might I suggest,
Luk 24:32 And they said to one another, "Did not our heart burn within us while He talked with us on the road, and while He opened the Scriptures to us?"
Every blessing.
Edwin.
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RE: The Mouth of God - 7/6/2009 1:33:59 PM
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In the Greek NT there are 2 primary words for 'word,' Logos and Rhema. The first refers to a word in the sense of an overall concept and the 2nd is a spoken word. Many call the written bible the Logos (John 1.1: in the beginning was the Logos...) and the rhema is what God personally speaks to you from the bible or by His Spirit. I am no Greek scholar so I must rely on others' teachings for that. The word used in Matt 4.4 is rhema, a spoken word.
G4487 ñ̔ç͂ìá rhēma
From G4483; an utterance (individually, collectively or specifically); by implication a matter or topic (especially of narration, command or dispute); with a negative naught whatever: - + evil, + nothing, saying, word.
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RE: The Mouth of God - 7/6/2009 2:06:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: pabrain
Hi Bluethread.
As always it is a matter of context,
Jhn 7:14 Now about the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught.
Jhn 7:15 And the Jews marveled, saying, "How does this Man know letters, having never studied?"
Jhn 7:16 Jesus [fn] answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
Jhn 7:17 If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or [whether] I speak on My own [authority].
Jhn 7:18 He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.
What Yeshua is saying here is, If someone listening to what He is saying wants to know if the teaching is from ELOHIM, or a mere man, all they have to do is to desire the will of Him, and they will know instantly while still listening.
How they will know is not explained here, but might I suggest,
Luk 24:32 And they said to one another, "Did not our heart burn within us while He talked with us on the road, and while He opened the Scriptures to us?"
Every blessing.
Edwin.
Very good answer. Combined with the input from Dave W. this appears to be what many refer to as "the new covenant", that is Adonai's Word written on our hearts. It is interesting that Yeshua says that those listening to Him should use this as a means to discern His authenticity. This is before "the giving of the Holy Spirit" and even before The Sacrifice. How is it that Yeshua can expect those listening to Him to have access to "the new covenant" as a means to test His teaching?
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