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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 1:35:31 AM
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ironsharpensiron
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I saw the article earlier today as well. I thought it was kinda cool.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 1:46:55 AM
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Cool? Something in my spirit is not right with this at all. Why would we need an OLD Bible? Look at this if you get a chance, I believe this is not Biblical at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09DApUAK234
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 1:58:47 AM
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I love history, especially old books. I find them intriguing. There might be issue with some of the writings in these pages, but it is an interesting find.
And it being divied-up and scattered abroad; why is/was that?
It is a remarkable find.
That was what I meant by 'kinda cool.' I guess I should have explained more...
There are so many mysteries, and this is but one; imagine the discussions that will spring forth as a result of these pages. Discussions that will lead people to the Truth, to our Lord Jesus.
There is a reason for everything. In this day and age, with the internet, and these pages digitalized...it should prove to be very interesting indeed.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 1:59:53 AM
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Why would we need an OLD Bible?
Oh, so our Bibles got more inspired by God as time went on? Nifty.
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Look at this if you get a chance, I believe this is not Biblical at all.
The only differences they could find were a small handful in Mark, and none of the changes would lead to any significant doctrinal issues (except for snake handlers). They ignore that the other 3 Gospels have powerful resurrection, ascension, etc., stories in them.
As someone who has studied Koine Greek for a number of years, I find this incredibly fascinating - though very hard to read. ALLCAPSNOSPACESANDNOPUNCTUATIONMAKESFORAHARDREAD, don't you think?
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:05:03 AM
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Why would we need an OLD Bible?
Oh, so our Bibles got more inspired by God as time went on? Nifty.
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Look at this if you get a chance, I believe this is not Biblical at all.
The only differences they could find were a small handful in Mark, and none of the changes would lead to any significant doctrinal issues (except for snake handlers). They ignore that the other 3 Gospels have powerful resurrection, ascension, etc., stories in them.
As someone who has studied Koine Greek for a number of years, I find this incredibly fascinating - though very hard to read. ALLCAPSNOSPACESANDNOPUNCTUATIONMAKESFORAHARDREAD, don't you think?
I'm sorry, I am kinda lost but I think I understand, your being humorous right? lol um yeah the last word is awesome.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:09:35 AM
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I believe this is not Biblical at all.
Just out of curiosity...wouldn't you think an 'old' Bible would be closer to the original texts than a 'newer & revised' Bible..?
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:10:28 AM
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your being humorous right?
Sort of, yes. I don't understand your animosity towards old Bibles. This is our heritage. I don't think anyone is suggesting that this replace the Bibles sitting on our shelves. It's just an oppertunity to experience the word of God that was available to our brothers and sisters of centuries past.
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the last word is awesome.
That's really what it's like, too. I was trying to read John 1:1, and I got to "In the beginning was the Word," and then I had to stop.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:11:06 AM
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I love history, especially old books. I find them intriguing. There might be issue with some of the writings in these pages, but it is an interesting find.
And it being divied-up and scattered abroad; why is/was that?
It is a remarkable find.
That was what I meant by 'kinda cool.' I guess I should have explained more...
There are so many mysteries, and this is but one; imagine the discussions that will spring forth as a result of these pages. Discussions that will lead people to the Truth, to our Lord Jesus.
There is a reason for everything. In this day and age, with the internet, and these pages digitalized...it should prove to be very interesting indeed.
Matthew
Ah...I see. Some AWESOME points you just made, I hear you now. This world is getting more and more interesting as time goes by that I just feel lost in all of it. I am on guard for everything lol.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:12:59 AM
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I believe this is not Biblical at all.
Just out of curiosity...wouldn't you think an 'old' Bible would be closer to the original texts than a 'newer & revised' Bible..?
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Not sure lol.....Good point I suppose? I trust in Jesus Christ as the way the truth and the life and will stay with that, I just know that in the Bible it does say not to add or take away from the Bible.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:14:06 AM
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I am on guard for everything lol.
It's good to be guarded...although I must say, do not guard yourself so much that you do not hear the voice of the Lord. If you are to engrossed in finding the false in everything, you might miss an opportunity.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:20:23 AM
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I just know that in the Bible it does say not to add or take away from the Bible.
Actually, it says not to take away or add to Revelation. But that's a discussion for another thread. Who's to say that people who came later didn't add an extra ending on to Mark, to make it match up with the other Gospels?
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:20:25 AM
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I am on guard for everything lol.
It's good to be guarded...although I must say, do not guard yourself so much that you do not hear the voice of the Lord. If you are to engrossed in finding the false in everything, you might miss an opportunity.
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Do you believe the voice of the Lord is in the codex?
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:21:51 AM
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Do you believe the voice of the Lord is in the codex?
I don't believe the voice of the Lord is in any physical object. It resides, well, in God. But if you're asking if God can speak to people using the Codex? Sure.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:25:16 AM
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I don't believe the voice of the Lord is in any physical object. It resides, well, in God. But if you're asking if God can speak to people using the Codex? Sure.
MrFribbles, you said that much better than I would have. My thoughts as well.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:26:54 AM
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This could have very well been rescripted in a way to confuse the teachings of the bible, something we don't need right now. And I get what you're saying, I'm skeptical of this myself. And why was it just discovered now? I haven't read it so I think I will sometime. I do remember not long ago, an article about dead sea scrolls that were supposedly found.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:28:22 AM
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Do believe that God would want us to be reading the codex to find answers?
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:29:16 AM
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ironsharpensiron
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Actually, it has been around (found) for quite a while. The 'scholars' have only just gathered the pages together, digitalized them, and put them online for all to see.
My question though...why were the pages scattered abroad to begin with..?
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:31:06 AM
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Do believe that God would want us to be reading the codex to find answers?
I don't think He'd necessarily want every single Christian reading it, no. It's not somehow better than our modern Bibles. But I also don't think He's sitting up in Heaven worried about some of His children reading it, either. It's still His word.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:39:19 AM
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Not sure if there's truth to it or not as I have not read through it. What I do know is that real knowledge, no matter what text it comes from should be contained. There are philosophical and new age beliefs and doctrines that I read about. All knowledge though, is very essential for growth.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 2:50:37 AM
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ironsharpensiron
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All knowledge though, is very essential for growth.
Very well stated. Knowledge is power...
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 4:01:38 AM
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I suppose the question to ask oneself is: What is the Bible?
I see it as a collection of writings, written by different people, over differing periods in time. Some of it is fact and some of it is not.
Let me quickly explain: some of it is opinions, some of it just songs/psalms, and some of it is just memories, gathered through interviews and word of mouth, and written down for future generations.
Is the Bible complete?
We don't know. There may well be writings written by unknown people, (say a disciple of Christ) which have never been found. So its completeness is in as much as what has been found and what has been compiled into the book we call the Bible.
Thus the Bible is in essence a book of Faith. Writings inspired by God, through His people, for us to read and learn and to believe in good Faith.
Whether you think Codex fits in or out of what we consider to be the Bible is up to you. At the end of the day, if it does not contradict the Word of God then it is most probably inspired by God. Faith will be the test.
One more thing: God did not stop speaking when the Bible was written or when its collection of writings were found and collated into a book.
He is still speaking NOW to many people all over the world. There are many books written today which are inspired by God and are in effect the Word of God.
They are not included in the Bible - but that does not make them any less relevant.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 6:33:41 AM
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This text comes from a time when the cannon was not universally agreed upon. (to some degree it still is not) So the fact that there are extra "books" included is not a big deal. There were a LOT of those in the first few centuries of the church.
Does any one know WHICH version of Mark 16 this manuscript has? (I know of 3 variants) I assume it is not the longest version included in modern versions.
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RE: Codex? - 7/7/2009 6:49:45 AM
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I noticed several "additional" books that I have never heard of before! 4 Maccabees? I only knew of 2! Didn't even see jubilees in there....I wish I could read them, but I guess I'll have to wait for the translations!
I think it's interesting. I do see the objections to it based (this is only my opinion here) on how we are taught to view the Bible. We should exercise judgment based on the Spirit rather than our own sense of knowledge...
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