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Are women not supposed to have short hair according to ... - 7/9/2009 8:54:09 PM   
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The main reason I ask this is basically because of the following:

Just to give a short sidenote about myself, I'm a single woman, I live modestly and faithfully. I'm also Indian and a huge part of being an Indian girl was having super-de-duper long hair (that also kinda depends on the kind of Indian culture you were brought up with, it can get real complicated beyond what I want to say :P). Nonetheless much of this borders on the line of idolatry, where your hair is equivalent to your beauty, and when we read the Bible, we can see that is not true. The way I see it, I am a Christian now and I can "cut" away those sinful ties.

Well, I didn't see any harm in cutting it, and I donated it. That was last year. My hair grew again and I decided to get another cut, mostly to prep myself for the mission trip I'm going on next month, and also for practical matters. I have a haircut that is similar to this:

http://www.short-hair-styles-magazine.com/images/short-girl-hairstyles-06.jpg

That's Sienna Miller with a short hairstyle. Granted, it a hairstyle I've never had before and will take some getting used to, but I've received loads of compliments from many women who tell me I look cute, stylish, etc. But to be honest, I didn't cut my hair to gain attention, I cut it for practical reasons. I also cut it because the last thing I should be concerned with is my own physical appearance and upkeeping long hair when I am working with impoverished children in India

Anyways-- I have received alot of flack from MEN. Of all people, I never would have thought. Some of the men go to my church, which is fairly conservative, and one guy told me how I was not supposed to "cut my 'crown of glory'" and as a single, Christian, young woman I was committing sin. Now I think this may be getting a little off-base-- throughout my Christian life I met and have seen a many young Christian woman with short hair of varying lengths. From what I could tell, their hair length did not have a direct impact on their genuineness of faith or the way they regarded others.

Then, I actually had one guy tell me how young women are "supposed" to have long hair to attract a husband, and then after you get married you have the freedom to cut your hair. That doesn't make sense to me either because if your hair was the thing that lured in your mate, don't you think they'd be a little upset if you just hacked it all off???

I went back to the Bible and re-read what Paul said. From what I understand, he was talking about not posing ourselves in a way that was equivalent to the prostitutes. How is cutting my hair short making myself a prostitute? I really don't get it. What irks me more is how so many of these men are now drawing undue attention to my physical appearance, making me worry more about the way I look when that is not something I desire to be concerned with. In fact, a good guy friend of mine saw a picture of me on facebook and wrote a very rude note on my wall! Apparently that infuriated him as well.

I have also received additional comments where one guy told me "it was nice to see long hair for a change, and now you just look like everyone else." Another guy from my young adults group at church said to me "your long hair made you look so exotic, but now you're just a regular midwestern girl"! What's wrong with that?!

I don't get it! What did I really do wrong?
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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/10/2009 12:13:21 AM   
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Then, I actually had one guy tell me how young women are "supposed" to have long hair to attract a husband, and then after you get married you have the freedom to cut your hair.


While I suppose much of this is open to discussion, I can absolutely say this has no foundation in Scripture.
Personally, as a man, I find no problem with women cutting their hair short. I think Paul's commands on this matter were defined by the culture of the time. Today, short hair on women has no negative connotations in most circles.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/10/2009 12:59:19 AM   
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Some men just prefer long hair Others do not, and they would never tell you that cutting your hair was a sin or that you needed long hair to attract a husband.

I have heard (but cannot prove it) that at the time Paul was writing prostitutes in pagan temples shaved their heads and that that was what he was referring to.

I think the hairstyle is very pretty, and will be much more practical than long hair on a missions trip. Plus, hair grows, so you can always grow it back later. Not a big deal if you ask me.

(And, FWIW, when I have long hair, it is Indian. I am Irish )

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/10/2009 3:50:36 AM   
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My hair is short. It looks better short. It is easier to take care of short. It wasn't a "crown of glory" when it was long. It was a mess.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/10/2009 5:06:17 PM   
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This is one of many things that is not well defined in the Scriptures. Therefore, one must look to community standards for clarification. By that I mean the community of believers. I would say that you need to seek the council of those in your immediate community. Do not be offended if some engage you in discussion on the matter, this is how communities decide such things. However, if someone does wish to be contentious, you can then appeal to the community for your justification. Regarding your going to india, it would be a matter to be decided by those who are sending you or the mission you will be working with.

I and those in my community have our own views and not all of us agree on a specific standard. This has not become a contentious matter, so there has been no need to set a hard and fast community standard. However, one of our standards is freedom of speech. If someone wishes to question my clothing or my beard they are free to do so. We are encouraged not to take the casual questioning personally and try to reassure one another that such casual inquiries are not meant to imply biblical principle, but are meant to foster learning and self examination.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/10/2009 5:14:30 PM   
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I think women should cut their hair no shorter than the measurement the Bible provides for them.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/10/2009 8:22:45 PM   
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1 Corinthians 11 is where the idea comes from. It is why I do not cut my hair and why I wear a covering. It is also the basis of all the female hat-wearing that eventually died out mid-20th century. In other parts of the world, many Christian women still cover thier heads for praying. I have seen a few Indian women pulling the ends of their sari's over thier heads during corporate prayer, actually.

However, if a person doesn't have a conviction from the Biblical basis, and just thinks it's one of those "supposed to's" of Christian culture for no particular reason, it's not really a conviction, and it's kind of silly to insist on.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/10/2009 9:12:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lea84

The main reason I ask this is basically because of the following:

Just to give a short sidenote about myself, I'm a single woman, I live modestly and faithfully. I'm also Indian and a huge part of being an Indian girl was having super-de-duper long hair (that also kinda depends on the kind of Indian culture you were brought up with, it can get real complicated beyond what I want to say :P). Nonetheless much of this borders on the line of idolatry, where your hair is equivalent to your beauty, and when we read the Bible, we can see that is not true. The way I see it, I am a Christian now and I can "cut" away those sinful ties.

Well, I didn't see any harm in cutting it, and I donated it. That was last year. My hair grew again and I decided to get another cut, mostly to prep myself for the mission trip I'm going on next month, and also for practical matters. I have a haircut that is similar to this:

http://www.short-hair-styles-magazine.com/images/short-girl-hairstyles-06.jpg

That's Sienna Miller with a short hairstyle. Granted, it a hairstyle I've never had before and will take some getting used to, but I've received loads of compliments from many women who tell me I look cute, stylish, etc. But to be honest, I didn't cut my hair to gain attention, I cut it for practical reasons. I also cut it because the last thing I should be concerned with is my own physical appearance and upkeeping long hair when I am working with impoverished children in India

Anyways-- I have received alot of flack from MEN. Of all people, I never would have thought. Some of the men go to my church, which is fairly conservative, and one guy told me how I was not supposed to "cut my 'crown of glory'" and as a single, Christian, young woman I was committing sin. Now I think this may be getting a little off-base-- throughout my Christian life I met and have seen a many young Christian woman with short hair of varying lengths. From what I could tell, their hair length did not have a direct impact on their genuineness of faith or the way they regarded others.

Then, I actually had one guy tell me how young women are "supposed" to have long hair to attract a husband, and then after you get married you have the freedom to cut your hair. That doesn't make sense to me either because if your hair was the thing that lured in your mate, don't you think they'd be a little upset if you just hacked it all off???

I went back to the Bible and re-read what Paul said. From what I understand, he was talking about not posing ourselves in a way that was equivalent to the prostitutes. How is cutting my hair short making myself a prostitute? I really don't get it. What irks me more is how so many of these men are now drawing undue attention to my physical appearance, making me worry more about the way I look when that is not something I desire to be concerned with. In fact, a good guy friend of mine saw a picture of me on facebook and wrote a very rude note on my wall! Apparently that infuriated him as well.

I have also received additional comments where one guy told me "it was nice to see long hair for a change, and now you just look like everyone else." Another guy from my young adults group at church said to me "your long hair made you look so exotic, but now you're just a regular midwestern girl"! What's wrong with that?!

I don't get it! What did I really do wrong?


If that's what qualifies as doctrine and morality in your church, I'd find a new church.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/10/2009 9:47:58 PM   
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When Paul wrote this it was the custom in Corinth for prostitutes to be either bald or have very short hair because they wore different types of wigs. So, if you saw a woman in the street with either no or very little hair, you knew she was probably a prostitute. The admonition here was to a specific group about a specific thing, but the general principle is the real command - ladies who name Christ as their Lord and Savior should not look like prostitutes as it dishonors them and God.

If a woman reads this and does not cut her hair to glorify God, then she does it to glorify God. If a woman keeps her hair short and glorifies God, then God is still glorified. Neither is right, neither is wrong. Again, the key issue here is modesty and separation from the things and ways of the ungodly.

So if you like your hair short, keep it short. If anyone tells you any differently then smile and pray for them.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/10/2009 9:58:01 PM   
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lea84, Shalom.

You say you donated your hair. I hope it was to provide wigs for cancer patients, or to someone with scalp disease, that prevents hair growth. That would, IMO, be to your glory, and thus to God's glory, if done in His name.

Right, or wrong, I agree with Dan, and add: Men who want to determine how long a woman's hair must be for her to be beautiful, would not stop the power of control, with just the hair, but the woman's entire lifestyle, and being. The Bible, of course, is the best, and only rule for length you need.

Allow me one additional bit of advice: Be comfortable with yourself, in Jesus, and no 'man,' nor 'woman,' can fault you, upon peril of judgment.

Oh, yes, Nice hair-do done on your hair. My first Navy haircut was much shorter. Yeee-Haaa!! (Now that was ugly)

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/10/2009 10:47:23 PM   
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I did cut it and donate it to Locks for Love-- who else would I have been donating it to? From what I know, you can't even sell hair, the only thing you can really do with it is donate it, at least that's the way it is in the Midwest from what I can tell.

When I was at church and also at the Young Adult meeting, the two pastors leading the group did not say a single word of reprimand to me about cutting my hair. In fact, all they said was "oh wow nice cut" and that was about it. Not a single person in authority or leadership has taken me aside to talk about it. I go to a mainly American-Caucasion Lutheran church where that is not the focus. Now, if I were to be going to a church that was run by an Indian community, the story may not be the same...but that's not where I go. And even other members of the church who were Indian and saw me just waved hi and didn't give me a weird look, shocked looks, or anything of the sort. Then again, many people did know that I was planning on cutting it again.

The missions trip that I am going to is a nondenominational Christian-lead group. I have read the "Code of Conduct" information and nothing in there noted whether or not cutting one's hair as a woman was bad, against proper behavior, or the sort. In fact, when I first met with my lead counselor, the main things she stressed was being modest, not indulging in drunken behavior, don't have premarital sex, don't "date" while on the missions unless a person there is my spouse/betrothed, and to be respectful.

But what I'm wondering is whether or not this makes me a "bad" Christian. Capuccino mentioned how her reasoning for not cutting her hair and using a head covering is based off of the scripture regarding long hair. I AM really wondering if I have done something really bad...
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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/10/2009 10:56:48 PM   
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I did cut it and donate it to Locks for Love-- who else would I have been donating it to? From what I know, you can't even sell hair, the only thing you can really do with it is donate it, at least that's the way it is in the Midwest from what I can tell.

When I was at church and also at the Young Adult meeting, the two pastors leading the group did not say a single word of reprimand to me about cutting my hair. In fact, all they said was "oh wow nice cut" and that was about it. Not a single person in authority or leadership has taken me aside to talk about it. I go to a mainly American-Caucasion Lutheran church where that is not the focus. Now, if I were to be going to a church that was run by an Indian community, the story may not be the same...but that's not where I go. And even other members of the church who were Indian and saw me just waved hi and didn't give me a weird look, shocked looks, or anything of the sort. Then again, many people did know that I was planning on cutting it again.

The missions trip that I am going to is a nondenominational Christian-lead group. I have read the "Code of Conduct" information and nothing in there noted whether or not cutting one's hair as a woman was bad, against proper behavior, or the sort. In fact, when I first met with my lead counselor, the main things she stressed was being modest, not indulging in drunken behavior, don't have premarital sex, don't "date" while on the missions unless a person there is my spouse/betrothed, and to be respectful.

But what I'm wondering is whether or not this makes me a "bad" Christian. Capuccino mentioned how her reasoning for not cutting her hair and using a head covering is based off of the scripture regarding long hair. I AM really wondering if I have done something really bad...


Please go back and read my post again. All is well.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/11/2009 9:19:40 AM   
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But what I'm wondering is whether or not this makes me a "bad" Christian. Capuccino mentioned how her reasoning for not cutting her hair and using a head covering is based off of the scripture regarding long hair. I AM really wondering if I have done something really bad...


No, you haven't. It is not a salvation issue. If you are not convicted about it, don't worry about it, the deed is done and you are not a bad person.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/11/2009 11:01:58 AM   
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But what I'm wondering is whether or not this makes me a "bad" Christian. Capuccino mentioned how her reasoning for not cutting her hair and using a head covering is based off of the scripture regarding long hair. I AM really wondering if I have done something really bad...


No, you haven't. It is not a salvation issue. If you are not convicted about it, don't worry about it, the deed is done and you are not a bad person.


This is what I was talking about. 3cap does as she does for the glory of God while not insisting you have to abide by her convictions. You do as you are/are not convicted and do not try to bring others under your conviction. God is glorified by all, we all are in fellowship with Christ and one another, and life is good.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/11/2009 9:21:14 PM   
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I did cut it and donate it to Locks for Love-- who else would I have been donating it to? From what I know, you can't even sell hair, the only thing you can really do with it is donate it, at least that's the way it is in the Midwest from what I can tell.


You have made someone who is undergoing chemotherapy very happy and provided something that will help her keep her dignity throughout a very tough time. I would think that is something that would glorify God. It is an act of sacrifice, maybe not a big sacrifice, but a sacrifice all the same.
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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/13/2009 3:45:12 AM   
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I did cut it and donate it to Locks for Love-- who else would I have been donating it to? From what I know, you can't even sell hair, the only thing you can really do with it is donate it, at least that's the way it is in the Midwest from what I can tell.


You have made someone who is undergoing chemotherapy very happy and provided something that will help her keep her dignity throughout a very tough time. I would think that is something that would glorify God. It is an act of sacrifice, maybe not a big sacrifice, but a sacrifice all the same.


This what is I try to tell people-- well, actually these guys who are making me feel more awful than I should be feeling. To be honest, cutting my hair wasn't a sacrifice at all-- in fact, I was more than happy to do it! Most people I talk to who cut their hair and donated were "yeah I had to do get a haircut, and I donated it (sigh)" or "ugh! I didn't want to cut so much off but that's the only way I could donate it". I didn't see it that way at all. Alot of people encouraged me to donate my hair because a few of them have been affected by cancer in some direct or indirect way. It wasn't a sacrifice at all, it was a gift I gladly gave away.

In this context, how do you distinguish between conviction and commandment? I have been noticing that it's issues such as this that make it tricky to really know what the Bible is trying to say. After all, why would Paul write it if he didn't mean for it to be commanded? Submission, getting married instead of burning in passion, etc. are all written and therefore followed, so how do you discern the difference? This is a hard issue for me because while the deed has been done-- these guys aren't making me feel any better about it.
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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/13/2009 8:49:56 AM   
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I did cut it and donate it to Locks for Love-- who else would I have been donating it to? From what I know, you can't even sell hair, the only thing you can really do with it is donate it, at least that's the way it is in the Midwest from what I can tell.


You have made someone who is undergoing chemotherapy very happy and provided something that will help her keep her dignity throughout a very tough time. I would think that is something that would glorify God. It is an act of sacrifice, maybe not a big sacrifice, but a sacrifice all the same.


This what is I try to tell people-- well, actually these guys who are making me feel more awful than I should be feeling. To be honest, cutting my hair wasn't a sacrifice at all-- in fact, I was more than happy to do it! Most people I talk to who cut their hair and donated were "yeah I had to do get a haircut, and I donated it (sigh)" or "ugh! I didn't want to cut so much off but that's the only way I could donate it". I didn't see it that way at all. Alot of people encouraged me to donate my hair because a few of them have been affected by cancer in some direct or indirect way. It wasn't a sacrifice at all, it was a gift I gladly gave away.

In this context, how do you distinguish between conviction and commandment? I have been noticing that it's issues such as this that make it tricky to really know what the Bible is trying to say. After all, why would Paul write it if he didn't mean for it to be commanded? Submission, getting married instead of burning in passion, etc. are all written and therefore followed, so how do you discern the difference? This is a hard issue for me because while the deed has been done-- these guys aren't making me feel any better about it.



Have you ever considered that boys are just stupid? I'm a grown man, a husband, a father - even a pastor - and sometimes I can be stupid.

They are probably just making a very poor attempt at flirting with you.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/13/2009 9:06:47 AM   
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My precious daughter went through cancer, thus chemotherapy, and I was very grateful to whomever gave their locks so that my daughter could have some semblance of normalcy throughout that time, when everything about her seemed to be falling apart.

She is doing just fine now, all praise to G-d, to whom all the glory goes.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/13/2009 9:57:15 AM   
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lea, I'm really glad this is happening to you.

You are going to be a missionary. You are going to run into a lot of idiot pseudo-theology with a prooftext behind it and people trying to make it seem as if your personal holiness is compromised by a variety of your choices that seem inconsequential to you.

You are going to need a more solid foundation than allowing yourself to be mentally flop-flopping on these things when you should be focused on carrying forth the gospel.

If you are not sorry you cut your hair, and you do not believe that the Bible (when taken in context) forbids such a thing... then leave yourself alone about it.

It's fair enough to be interested in what 'the other side' thinks, and to be curious to understand their position on the matter... you may even find sense or conviction and change your mind -- but you don't have to. It's also fair enough to even choose (on some other issue you may encounter) to go along with it for the sake of credibility for the ministry you want to do.

What's a problem is when you are 'blown and tossed' by every wave of doctrine and every new idea or controversy of interpretation. You need to know your own mind -- and you do that by knowing both the Spirit within you and the Word that He has breathed (the Bible). Reading and prayer are your best plan for strength as you move forward on the mission God has called you to.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/13/2009 10:32:19 AM   
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I did cut it and donate it to Locks for Love-- who else would I have been donating it to? From what I know, you can't even sell hair, the only thing you can really do with it is donate it, at least that's the way it is in the Midwest from what I can tell.


You have made someone who is undergoing chemotherapy very happy and provided something that will help her keep her dignity throughout a very tough time. I would think that is something that would glorify God. It is an act of sacrifice, maybe not a big sacrifice, but a sacrifice all the same.


This what is I try to tell people-- well, actually these guys who are making me feel more awful than I should be feeling. To be honest, cutting my hair wasn't a sacrifice at all-- in fact, I was more than happy to do it! Most people I talk to who cut their hair and donated were "yeah I had to do get a haircut, and I donated it (sigh)" or "ugh! I didn't want to cut so much off but that's the only way I could donate it". I didn't see it that way at all. Alot of people encouraged me to donate my hair because a few of them have been affected by cancer in some direct or indirect way. It wasn't a sacrifice at all, it was a gift I gladly gave away.

In this context, how do you distinguish between conviction and commandment? I have been noticing that it's issues such as this that make it tricky to really know what the Bible is trying to say. After all, why would Paul write it if he didn't mean for it to be commanded? Submission, getting married instead of burning in passion, etc. are all written and therefore followed, so how do you discern the difference? This is a hard issue for me because while the deed has been done-- these guys aren't making me feel any better about it.



Greetings and peace in Jesus,
We are under grace and not law nor man's traditions. When you begin to realize that all that matters is how God feels about you and not any man/woman, you will then come to believe that what others say has no bearing on your walk because your righteousness in Christ is more than enough! People will always talk. Will you always listen to them? Or will you see how God feels about a thing? The apostle said, "We ought to obey God rather than men". AMEN! Listen, that hair cut is BEAUTIFUL. Short, chic and stylish. If people have a problem with that style, well that is their own self righteous, unGodly, hypocritical problems. Don't make their ignorant issues, your own. Let it slide. Don't begin to doubt what you already know to be true. Men will twist Scripture to fit their own agendas and feelings, attempting to make you feel bad how you look. God sees you as HIS wonderful child and when HE sees something that needs to be altered, HE will let you know, loud and clear. You are beating yourself up for ugly remarks made by insecure folk. There was only one person whom God spoke specifically regarding hair and it was SAMSON. Unless the LORD, in no uncertain terms, sends His Word via dreams, visions, or Scripture, you will know if what you have done displeases HIM. But I tell you the truth, God judges the inward man, the heart and your heart is truly enlarged. God is pleased that you have unselfishly taken up your cross and are serving the poor. For this, God is glorified. My suggestion, find a church that does not condemn for there is now no condemnation...amen? and surround yourself with those whose hearts are upright and who care about your inner man than how you look on the outside with all modesty and respect. Not worth being around negative people, they only cause one to begin to doubt and that is not of God. Girl, rock that hair, it is "tight", meaning it is gorgeous. God bless you and much love,

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/13/2009 11:45:04 AM   
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I have Victoria Beckham's cut and it is very easy to care for, flatters my countenance, and does not require a whole lot of work.

I love it. Hubby - well, he's ok with it, but he "prefers" long hair. I think it's a man thing

By the way - my crown of Glory is how the light of Christ shines through my life - not a wad of hair.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/13/2009 12:03:26 PM   
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In this context, how do you distinguish between conviction and commandment? I have been noticing that it's issues such as this that make it tricky to really know what the Bible is trying to say. After all, why would Paul write it if he didn't mean for it to be commanded? Submission, getting married instead of burning in passion, etc. are all written and therefore followed, so how do you discern the difference? This is a hard issue for me because while the deed has been done-- these guys aren't making me feel any better about it.


Good question.

Briefly, you have to understand the context of Paul's letters. Temple prostitues would cut their hair short. Nw the statement makes a little more sense if you understand what he is really trying to say: Don't look like a temple prostitute.

Translated into today's context it might look like this: Dress modestly, don't dress like a street walker.

The boys who are giving you a hard time may not understand this. They may have learned it from someone who was ignorant of the context of the statement. Or they may just have read the statement without asking someone what it meant. It took me years to unlearn some of the misinformation that I got as a teenager. Information that was inaccurate and ultimately damaging to my Christian walk.

I still say what you did was sacrificial and an act of love. Next time those boy start giving you a hard time, tell them what you did was a gift that you felt God wanted you to give.
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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/14/2009 4:04:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: steved57

You have made someone who is undergoing chemotherapy very happy and provided something that will help her keep her dignity throughout a very tough time. I would think that is something that would glorify God. It is an act of sacrifice, maybe not a big sacrifice, but a sacrifice all the same.


I do acknowledge that what is done is done and what has been done was a charitable act and guilty feelings do no good in this case. However, why would one say that providing a wig to a woman helps her "keep her dignity", if hair length does not matter. This supports the idea that hair length does matter.

Now, if we take all the factors mentioned into account, maybe we can come to a working principle. In context, Paul framed this issue in light of marrage. We have been told by some here that there was a practice of prostitutes shaving their heads at that time. Ha Torah speaks of not brading one's hair. Finally, we see the advise from Lemuel's mother in Proverbs 31.

Now, Paul speaks of short hair on a woman being disrespectful to her husband, and Lemuel's mother tells us what does bring honor to a husband. (vs 30) "Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting; but a woman who fears the Adonai is to be praised." So, since fearing Adonai is what matters, does hair length not matter at all? That does not appear to be the opinion of Lemuel's mother for she says in verse 23, "Her husband is respected at the city gate, where he takes his seat among the elders of the land." It appears, anything that she does that brings disrespect to her husband is not acceptable. Therefore, we know in part what it means to be a woman who fears Adonai.

In conclusion, hair length or anything regarding a woman's appearance is a matter of that which does not diminish the respect her actions bring to her husband and her husband's admoration for her.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/14/2009 5:40:37 PM   
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However, why would one say that providing a wig to a woman helps her "keep her dignity", if hair length does not matter. This supports the idea that hair length does matter.


You know, I had never thought of that. But you're right. I do think when we face the extreme, most women would acknowledge that hair length (just having hair!) really does matter to us.

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RE: Are women not supposed to have short hair according... - 7/14/2009 6:35:35 PM   
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I don't think the Lord's primary concern is hair length as long as we women have our heart in place and our focus on Him.

I also think it was a beautiful custom for women to have their hair long and it still is as long as it is taken care of to give a pleasant sight and not for the purposes of trying to desperately impress other people. There is nothing more ugly than a badly cut frizzy and maybe rarely washed 'crown' (seen it in the long version unfortunately). I find regular haircut gives me a feeling of health keeping the split ends to the minimum and my hair length is just above shoulder. I have some excess weight so longer hair doesn't convey good taste for me.
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