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The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/12/2009 2:43:26 AM
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aslouie
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090711/pl_politico/24790
I guess my suspicions of the more conservative/moderate-leaning Blue Dog caucuses are starting to affirm everything I've been keeping politically astute of! 
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/12/2009 10:43:30 AM
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Maybe the "Blue Dog" Democrats will actually do what the Republicans should have been doing. Offer viable opposition instead of politically charged nonsense. Criticism is not a bad thing. However, the Republicans have not really been an effective opposition. They have spent way too much time on personal sniping and mudslinging and not on thoughtful and useful criticism.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/12/2009 11:55:31 AM
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Maybe the "Blue Dog" Democrats will actually do what the Republicans should have been doing. Offer viable opposition instead of politically charged nonsense. Criticism is not a bad thing. However, the Republicans have not really been an effective opposition. They have spent way too much time on personal sniping and mudslinging and not on thoughtful and useful criticism.
Not to mention the fact that they have not proposed viable solutions but rather have taken the stance of opposing the solutions that have been proposed.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/12/2009 12:13:29 PM
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It's time common sense on both sides aisle rule --- and as "The People" it's our job whether through elections, paying attention, whatever means we encourage said behavior.
Far too long, the apathy, self interest, and flat-out greed has allowed BOTH sides of the aisles to run this country into the ground -- it's not to late to correct but if we don't "pay attention" NOW it will be too late.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/12/2009 5:03:12 PM
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Not to mention the fact that they have not proposed viable solutions but rather have taken the stance of opposing the solutions that have been proposed.
Do you really consider the proposals by Obama and his faithful to be "Solutions"?
I really hope not.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/12/2009 5:45:29 PM
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Do you really consider the proposals by Obama and his faithful to be "Solutions"?
At least they have a proposal. Seems like the discussions are intra-party not inter-party.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/13/2009 1:02:02 PM
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Not to mention the fact that they have not proposed viable solutions but rather have taken the stance of opposing the solutions that have been proposed.
This is one thing that both parties have in common.
Democrats obstructed when not in power.
It's time that we put Americans in office and not politicians.
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It's time common sense on both sides aisle rule --- and as "The People" it's our job whether through elections, paying attention, whatever means we encourage said behavior.
Far too long, the apathy, self interest, and flat-out greed has allowed BOTH sides of the aisles to run this country into the ground -- it's not to late to correct but if we don't "pay attention" NOW it will be too late.
seems the people think like the politicians.
It's really hard to get the people to agree with the Constitution
instead of their political party. Kinda like getting people to agree
with the Bible over their religious party.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/13/2009 1:07:38 PM
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I guess my suspicions of the more conservative/moderate-leaning Blue Dog caucuses are starting to affirm everything I've been keeping politically astute of!
These guys have been around for a while now. I think I first heard of them about 15 years ago.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/13/2009 4:17:23 PM
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This is one thing that both parties have in common.
Democrats obstructed when not in power.
It's time that we put Americans in office and not politicians.
+1000
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/13/2009 5:02:23 PM
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It borders on inanity to hear people criticize the GOP for not offering any solutions. The solution is for government to get out of the way and let the American people solve their own problems.
We the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect Union...
Perhaps Conservatives need to remember that WE ARE the government. We elect 'em to serve US. Some of us even work for the government on one level or another. Maybe if you'd stop assuming that the government is in the way (when in fact it is some of the people who are whining about the government) we could get back to that preamble and make it work.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/13/2009 5:44:24 PM
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We the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect Union...
Perhaps Conservatives need to remember that WE ARE the government. We elect 'em to serve US. Some of us even work for the government on one level or another. Maybe if you'd stop assuming that the government is in the way (when in fact it is some of the people who are whining about the government) we could get back to that preamble and make it work.
I agree they are elected to serve us and more importantly, represent us, but, not to put to technical a spin on it, we aren't the government. In fact, that is why we elect 'them' so we don't have to be the government. The government is of us, for us, by us, but it ain't us. And that is very important because what this age desperately needs is a definitive sepearation between the political and personal. A few things can be solved politically - and a few things must be done by a human governments. But our society has suffered greatly from placing on government a burden that should be the pervue of the individual, the family, and the community. Maybe a few blue dog Democrats see this; one can pray.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/13/2009 6:05:51 PM
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Well, of course, this puts the lie to the constant clamoring around here that all Democrats are socialists. It's also a little surprising to see people praising politicians who, if they were in the Republican party, would be scathingly attacked as worthless RINOs. I guess desperate times (for the Republican Party) calls for desperate measures.
The reality is that there have always been moderates in both parties -- neither party has ever been a uniform bloc politically, otherwise you would never see Democrats representing conservative districts or Republicans representing liberal districts, which happens all the time.
That's why advocates for party purity (Move On on the left and especially the Club for Growth on the right) sometimes end up damaging their own party's election prospects. At the moment, the call for purity is stronger on the right, but that will wane the longer they are in opposition as it did for Democrats in years past.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/13/2009 6:20:09 PM
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Well, of course, this puts the lie to the constant clamoring around here that all Democrats are socialists. It's also a little surprising to see people praising politicians who, if they were in the Republican party, would be scathingly attacked as worthless RINOs. I guess desperate times (for the Republican Party) calls for desperate measures.
The reality is that there have always been moderates in both parties -- neither party has ever been a uniform bloc politically, otherwise you would never see Democrats representing conservative districts or Republicans representing liberal districts, which happens all the time.
That's why advocates for party purity (Move On on the left and especially the Club for Growth on the right) sometimes end up damaging their own party's election prospects. At the moment, the call for purity is stronger on the right, but that will wane the longer they are in opposition as it did for Democrats in years past.
Well, we haven't seen any of the mythical blue dogs actually do anything to stop the socialist bus yet; I wouldn't start vaunting their existence until it is proved something more than an urban legend. Anyone checked snopes lately?
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/13/2009 7:31:29 PM
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I agree with Steved57. Obama does't need the Republicans but he does need the Blue Dog Democrats..He will have to compromise to get their support. It will enable them to tone down his agenda some which should be good news to Republicans.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/13/2009 9:12:22 PM
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I agree they are elected to serve us and more importantly, represent us, but, not to put to technical a spin on it, we aren't the government. In fact, that is why we elect 'them' so we don't have to be the government. The government is of us, for us, by us, but it ain't us. And that is very important because what this age desperately needs is a definitive sepearation between the political and personal. A few things can be solved politically - and a few things must be done by a human governments. But our society has suffered greatly from placing on government a burden that should be the pervue of the individual, the family, and the community. Maybe a few blue dog Democrats see this; one can pray.
Yes, we do have a democratic republic. From a tacit point of view our government derives its power from the people who vote (ie "us").
You're right not all things can be dealt with through the government. I believe that education should be a local/state decision. NCLB is a disaster. However, I do believe that some things do need a federal government to solve. Some issues, because they cross state borders, need the federal government to step in. I would like to suggest that health care is one of them.
In order for the federal government to operate at its best it needs both parties involved. There have been too many times in the past(and present) where the opposition party acted totally partisan without regard for solving problems. Right now it's the Republicans.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/14/2009 10:10:21 AM
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Yes, we do have a democratic republic. From a tacit point of view our government derives its power from the people who vote (ie "us").
You're right not all things can be dealt with through the government. I believe that education should be a local/state decision. NCLB is a disaster. However, I do believe that some things do need a federal government to solve. Some issues, because they cross state borders, need the federal government to step in. I would like to suggest that health care is one of them.
In order for the federal government to operate at its best it needs both parties involved. There have been too many times in the past(and present) where the opposition party acted totally partisan without regard for solving problems. Right now it's the Republicans.
Actually the Federal government was set-up in a way that actually encourages the various parties to counter each other. In fact, right now the Federal government is much too cooperative; this is damaging to individual liberty. Running the way it should, the Federal government should be comprised of various factions inhabiting various branches of goverment, whose vociferous efforts to counter each others activities have the overall effect of limiting the power of government all together. Our large, strong, central government with it's tentacles into every aspect of our life (even, amazingly, into the care of our own bodies) is a dangerous entity, and too akin to the tyranny our forefathers fought to limit. Smaller is better, local is better, personal is better; we need to head exactly the opposite direction this administration and congress is taking us.
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/14/2009 1:02:28 PM
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It borders on inanity to hear people criticize the GOP for not offering any solutions. The solution is for government to get out of the way and let the American people solve their own problems.
We the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect Union...
Perhaps Conservatives need to remember that WE ARE the government. We elect 'em to serve US. Some of us even work for the government on one level or another. Maybe if you'd stop assuming that the government is in the way (when in fact it is some of the people who are whining about the government) we could get back to that preamble and make it work.
I'm sorry, but this makes no sense at all. Read the preamble (I have it on my office wall). We have a gov't OF the people (elected representatives who are citizens, not a ruling class), BY the people (who established the Constitution) and FOR the people (to ensure our LIBERTY) . We elect representatives to do the things only government can do (military, foreign relations, some infrastructure, justice system, etc.). This is done to ensure our liberty, so WE can do what we can do to build a better society, free from government interference.
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Well, of course, this puts the lie to the constant clamoring around here that all Democrats are socialists.
Who said ALL Dems are socialists? Another straw man argument. The leaders of, and the special interests behind, the Democrat party are socialists and are leading the country that way, quickly. It's up to those 'moderate' dems who are not socialists to stand up to them and stop this. Hopefully they will, but history tells us that those who love the label 'moderate' accomplish little or nothing for the cause of liberty
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RE: The Rise of the (New?) Moderate Democrats(?) - 7/14/2009 1:33:25 PM
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Quite a few of the "new" moderate Dems are simply doing what they do to get reelected. Sinator Mary Landrieu is really good at playing conservative dem the closer it gets to election time.
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