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Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/21/2009 10:13:00 AM
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schtumpy
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George Tiller, who performed thousands of abortions since the '70's, was shot in Kansas this year.
Morally, did the man who killed him do the right thing?
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/21/2009 10:21:51 AM
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No...it was not moral. How can someone argue that "murder" is wrong (if that is indeed how a person sees abortion) and yet do the dirty deed himself? Murder is either moral or it is not....
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/21/2009 10:27:23 AM
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No.
Ordinary people do not take justice into their own hands. The gov't is given 'the sword' for the sake of justice -- that privilege is not extended to any individual who can get their hands on a gun.
If a man accused of murder 'gets off' that's tragic -- but does it mean anybody can just hunt him down like a dog? Certainly not! Similarly the legal system 'lets people off' if they murder children who happen to still be womb-residents. That's tragic, and filthy, and unspeakable... but it's not a licence to kill.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/21/2009 10:28:09 AM
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It is against the law to go around shooting people because you do not like what they are doing. If we decide to start shooting people we are worse than they are because we have the Spirit and the power of the one true and holy almighty God to keep us from barbarism.
Not to mention the glaring logical contradiction of murdering someone because we are against murder.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/21/2009 10:28:50 AM
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No.
Ordinary people do not take justice into their own hands. The gov't is given 'the sword' for the sake of justice -- that privilege is not extended to any individual who can get their hands on a gun.
If a man accused of murder 'gets off' that's tragic -- but does it mean anybody can just hunt him down like a dog? Certainly not! Similarly the legal system 'lets people off' if they murder children who happen to still be womb-residents. That's tragic, and filthy, and unspeakable... but it's not a licence to kill.
Well put. I agree!
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/21/2009 10:29:16 AM
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George Tiller, who performed thousands of abortions since the '70's, was shot in Kansas this year.
Morally, did the man who killed him do the right thing?
No, but your poll is not definite enough to answer. It would be moral if abortion was a capital offense and if shooting was the sentence handed down after conviction. The instance you presented was murder.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/21/2009 11:00:21 AM
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George Tiller, who performed thousands of abortions since the '70's, was shot in Kansas this year.
Morally, did the man who killed him do the right thing?
George Tiller, the children he helped kill, and the man who killed him all have/had the right to life.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/21/2009 11:23:11 AM
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Not moral to murder someone.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/21/2009 11:51:55 AM
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Two wrongs never make a right.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/21/2009 2:38:56 PM
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Let's hear from the "yes" voters.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/21/2009 2:43:50 PM
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It was certainly wrong.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 3:26:18 AM
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schtumpy
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Let's hear from the "yes" voters.
Thankfully they only seem to number about 1 in 14.
Nice to know.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 3:34:53 AM
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who said yes?
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 4:21:48 AM
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Would it be morally right to allow a person to beat to death a child who was just born?
If the law forbid you from defending yourself and or your family would it be morally wrong to do so?
Why is it morally right to shoot and kill a person who was about to beat a child to death with a baseball bat, but it's not morally right to shoot a person who murders for a living?
Apart from the questions I believe Mr Tiller was murdered according to man's law...
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 5:32:32 AM
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I am not sad that he will no longer be able to murder babies, but it is sad that another lost sinner has gone to eternity on his own merit.
No, it is not right for a private citizen to shoot an abortionist, just like it isn't right for a Christian to stone an adulterer.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 11:14:17 AM
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Maybe if he was trying to abort me...
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 11:15:43 AM
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Would it be morally right to allow a person to beat to death a child who was just born?
If the law forbid you from defending yourself and or your family would it be morally wrong to do so?
Why is it morally right to shoot and kill a person who was about to beat a child to death with a baseball bat, but it's not morally right to shoot a person who murders for a living?
Apart from the questions I believe Mr Tiller was murdered according to man's law...
Is that a yes?
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 11:28:16 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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Is that a yes?
No...
Btw...Does your asking equate to you believing it's not moral to defend those who can't defend themselves?
Does man's law saying abortion is not murder make it immoral to shoot the person who performs them while at the same time says it's moral to shoot the person who is attempting to murder a child seconds out of the womb?
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 11:59:34 AM
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Is that a yes?
No...
Btw...Does your asking equate to you believing it's not moral to defend those who can't defend themselves?
Does man's law saying abortion is not murder make it immoral to shoot the person who performs them while at the same time says it's moral to shoot the person who is attempting to murder a child seconds out of the womb?
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empting to murder a child seconds out of the womb?
Oooohhh, interesting point.... If you believe in your heart that abortion is murder, is it not your right to defend and help that child, whether the law says so or not?
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 12:50:14 PM
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Is that a yes?
No...
Btw...Does your asking equate to you believing it's not moral to defend those who can't defend themselves?
Does man's law saying abortion is not murder make it immoral to shoot the person who performs them while at the same time says it's moral to shoot the person who is attempting to murder a child seconds out of the womb?
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empting to murder a child seconds out of the womb?
Oooohhh, interesting point.... If you believe in your heart that abortion is murder, is it not your right to defend and help that child, whether the law says so or not?
While there are other very real methods of trying to change things, no.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 2:32:24 PM
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Why is it morally right to shoot and kill a person who was about to beat a child to death with a baseball bat, but it's not morally right to shoot a person who murders for a living?
We include in our decision more than just the morality of the act they are committing, but also the act we are committing. We are undermining what the law protects (the life of the abortionist), unlike in the case of defending someone who is trying to murder a 10 years old in which the murderer is not protected by law. There is a compulsory obligation to honor the laws as part of our moral obligation to God. Herein lyes the conflict. An obligation to protect life while at the same time an obligation to respect the laws of our land.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 7:01:44 PM
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bolt.
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I believe there is also a distinction of attacking someone during the act of attempted murder -vs- someone who is known/believed to have committed murder in the past.
If somebody had killed a child or baby yesterday (however brutally) I still don't think the ordinary citizen has the right to walk up and kill that murderer today. If they had intervened at the time, during the act or once the intent was clear, yes -- but not after the fact.
What we should do about the murderers in our midst is another question (and a very complicated one) this question is only whether or not we should shoot them in cold blood... and the answer is no.
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 7:16:49 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Is that a yes?
No...
Btw...Does your asking equate to you believing it's not moral to defend those who can't defend themselves?
Does man's law saying abortion is not murder make it immoral to shoot the person who performs them while at the same time says it's moral to shoot the person who is attempting to murder a child seconds out of the womb?
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empting to murder a child seconds out of the womb?
Oooohhh, interesting point.... If you believe in your heart that abortion is murder, is it not your right to defend and help that child, whether the law says so or not?
While there are other very real methods of trying to change things, no.
That can be said of murder outside the womb, yet I have no doubt I can defend the lives of my born children up to taking the life of the person attempting to murder them... Yet it seems if man declared defending my born child againt the law it would somehow be an issue...
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RE: Moral to Shoot Abortionist? - 7/22/2009 7:19:03 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Why is it morally right to shoot and kill a person who was about to beat a child to death with a baseball bat, but it's not morally right to shoot a person who murders for a living?
We include in our decision more than just the morality of the act they are committing, but also the act we are committing. We are undermining what the law protects (the life of the abortionist), unlike in the case of defending someone who is trying to murder a 10 years old in which the murderer is not protected by law. There is a compulsory obligation to honor the laws as part of our moral obligation to God. Herein lyes the conflict. An obligation to protect life while at the same time an obligation to respect the laws of our land.
The law to protect life is God's law... Which I believe supersede man's laws...
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