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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/19/2009 5:37:18 PM
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rockominal
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Despite what you might have heard, no definitive proof that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii has been provided. The supposed "fact checkers" have not provided definitive proof, and neither has Obama himself.
That does not mean that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. All it means is that we don't know for sure. Those who claim that his birthplace has been definitively proven are basing it on faith and not on facts.
A note of warning: Obama's supporters have been remarkably effective at misleading people about this issue, smearing all those who have questions as conspiracy theorists at the same time as they lie through their teeth.
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"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."
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Confirming that he was born there is more than she said in her 10/31/08 statement which did not say he was born there. The new release adds information and doesn't simply reiterate what she said before, helping to show that all those who claimed that her earlier release proved he was born there were being misleading. For instance, Howard Kurtz said officials confirmed he was born there before that had happened. The fact that it's now happened doesn't mean that he wasn't being misleading before.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/21/2009 1:46:27 PM
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Oh good grief. If he were born in this country he would have shown the proper birth certificate and his records from Harvard and Occidental. If he is a citizen from birth, why won't he provide these records?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/21/2009 5:54:55 PM
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He did show his "proper birth certificate." It's exactly the same certificate the government of Hawaii will send anyone born there and is routinely used for getting passports, security clearances, and anything else requiring proof of citizenship. That's why birtherism is so daft.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 1:26:12 PM
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He did show his "proper birth certificate." It's exactly the same certificate the government of Hawaii will send anyone born there and is routinely used for getting passports, security clearances, and anything else requiring proof of citizenship. That's why birtherism is so daft.
If that certificate is so "proper" and legal then why doesn't he release his Harvard and Occidental records, not his grades (although I've heard he was an average student) but his applications papers. Just show it all if he has nothing to hide.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 2:52:15 PM
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What's that got to do with where he was born? You have a government issued certificate proving he was born in Honolulu. You have contemporary newspaper birth announcements confirming the details. How many former presidents have released all the documents you are now demanding of Obama. Did Bush release all of his private college records?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 8:06:39 PM
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Milliecat
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What's that got to do with where he was born? You have a government issued certificate proving he was born in Honolulu. You have contemporary newspaper birth announcements confirming the details. How many former presidents have released all the documents you are now demanding of Obama. Did Bush release all of his private college records?
He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 8:55:33 PM
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What's that got to do with where he was born? You have a government issued certificate proving he was born in Honolulu. You have contemporary newspaper birth announcements confirming the details. How many former presidents have released all the documents you are now demanding of Obama. Did Bush release all of his private college records?
He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
He has done everything he is legally required to do to prove he is an American. There is nothing that he can do that will make you birthers wake up and realize that he won.
At this point, if you have a problem with his legality take it up with your state's election commission who put him on the ballot.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 9:43:59 PM
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He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
You are extremely naive if you think the question would go away. There are plenty of birthers on record, including Orly Taitz, who quite openly say that's merely one of the problems. Conspiracy theorists are never satisfied -- that's why they're called conspiracy theories.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 10:06:34 PM
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What's that got to do with where he was born? You have a government issued certificate proving he was born in Honolulu. You have contemporary newspaper birth announcements confirming the details. How many former presidents have released all the documents you are now demanding of Obama. Did Bush release all of his private college records?
He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
Why would he have had to state his birthplace on his college application? It's been a while, but I don't recall having to do that on mine. Residency - sure. But birthplace? I don't see what relevance that would have at all, unless you're talking about FAFSA or some other financial aid thing.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 10:50:23 PM
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He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
You are extremely naive if you think the question would go away. There are plenty of birthers on record, including Orly Taitz, who quite openly say that's merely one of the problems. Conspiracy theorists are never satisfied -- that's why they're called conspiracy theories.
So what? He should give it a try. At least some of us would be satisfied.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 11/22/2009 10:57:01 PM
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ORIGINAL: iluvatar
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ORIGINAL: Milliecat
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ORIGINAL: tacitus
What's that got to do with where he was born? You have a government issued certificate proving he was born in Honolulu. You have contemporary newspaper birth announcements confirming the details. How many former presidents have released all the documents you are now demanding of Obama. Did Bush release all of his private college records?
He would have had to state his birthplace on his college application papers so if he was honest (which would be a big stretch) there might be a discrepancy. And I doubt Bush released his private college records but no one questioned his citizenship.
For goodness sake, he should just release every piece of paper with his birthplace on it if he is so confident. Why not? Then the question would go away.
Why would he have had to state his birthplace on his college application? It's been a while, but I don't recall having to do that on mine. Residency - sure. But birthplace? I don't see what relevance that would have at all, unless you're talking about FAFSA or some other financial aid thing.
-Dan.
I had to state my birthplace, although I'm sure I'm quite a bit older than you. Perhaps he got financial aid when attending Harvard. I don't know. He must have something besides that supposed birth certificate from Hawaii. Whatever the plaintiffs want-he should just give them what they want.
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