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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/6/2009 2:55:49 PM
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W.O.F.
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Think this guy is racist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujugUiFtBKU
I don't know if he is racist...but he sure is angry!
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/6/2009 5:51:47 PM
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Apparently the birther idiocy is largely exclusive to one region and one race. White folk in the South.
What is it about these two characteristics that make them really dumb? Republicans in the rest of the country don't seem to have caught the bug.
Conspiracy theories tend to be easier to accept when it somehow coincides with one's already established beliefs about someone; i.e. the left's belief that Bush was somehow involved with 9/11, or the belief of some blacks that white folks created AIDs to kill them off, etc.
Conspiratorial thinking knows no limit in terms of race, education, or class - all that is required is the intense desire that something be true whatever the evidence to the contrary.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/6/2009 6:20:41 PM
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Conspiracy theories tend to be easier to accept when it somehow coincides with one's already established beliefs about someone; i.e. the left's belief that Bush was somehow involved with 9/11, or the belief of some blacks that white folks created AIDs to kill them off, etc.
Conspiratorial thinking knows no limit in terms of race, education, or class - all that is required is the intense desire that something be true whatever the evidence to the contrary.
I know hundreds of “conspiracy theorists”, and not one subscribes to the false left/right paradigm. I believe it was trends forecaster Gerald Celente who coined the phrase “two-headed, one-party system.
Both “parties” have the same agendas. There is no “left” or “right”. We no longer believe that fallacy.
BO hasn’t produced his full birth certificate to date (and I’m not talking about that short form thing from Hawaii that was used).
Sorry for following Jhud off-topic.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/6/2009 6:23:50 PM
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From a petition:
“Whereas, Barack Obama has refused repeated calls to release publicly his entire Hawaiian birth certificate, which would include the actual hospital that performed the delivery...”Read the rest here:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/6/2009 7:20:57 PM
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Jhud: Conspiracy theories tend to be easier to accept when it somehow coincides with one's already established beliefs about someone
Absolutely. I agree.
But for the record, I have no liberal pals who believe the Bush-was-involved-with-9-11 myth, although such nonsense reminds me of similar hokum from the '40s about FDR's critics claiming he had foreknowledge about Pearl Harbor, and let it happen anyway so the US could fight a war on two fronts.
History is filled with conspiracy nuts.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/7/2009 11:16:38 AM
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Instead of being worried about a birth certificate that may or may not be real...we need to be educated as to his policies that he is trying to implement.....
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/7/2009 12:03:11 PM
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Conspiracy theories tend to be easier to accept when it somehow coincides with one's already established beliefs about someone; i.e. the left's belief that Bush was somehow involved with 9/11, or the belief of some blacks that white folks created AIDs to kill them off, etc.
Conspiratorial thinking knows no limit in terms of race, education, or class - all that is required is the intense desire that something be true whatever the evidence to the contrary.
I know hundreds of “conspiracy theorists”, and not one subscribes to the false left/right paradigm. I believe it was trends forecaster Gerald Celente who coined the phrase “two-headed, one-party system.
Both “parties” have the same agendas. There is no “left” or “right”. We no longer believe that fallacy.
BO hasn’t produced his full birth certificate to date (and I’m not talking about that short form thing from Hawaii that was used).
Sorry for following Jhud off-topic.
There is no "long form". The birth certificate IS the birth certificate, same as mine from the Commonwealth of Virginia.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/7/2009 12:54:50 PM
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So... why doesn't he just release his birth certificate?
Why doesn't he release school records?
Why doesn't he release medical records?
If he is such a good guy, why is he so secretive and deceitful?
Answer: He is either ashamed of his Muslim roots or, more likely, worried about public perception.
Here we go with the crazy conspiracy theories. Ignore all the evidence that says Obama is a U.S. citizen and for every piece of evidence that disagrees with you create a crazy conspiracy theory to explain it away.
Then people call me a crazy conspiracy theorist.
BTW, I did not vote for Obama.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/8/2009 1:54:32 PM
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But you all realize that it wrong, A SIN to be passing around lies? This is what I told my mother one day after she kept passing me emails that were full of garbage. It's wrong people. 
AMEN.....and IT is a lie that his birth certificate is not valid.....
whether we like him or not...he is an american citizen.
I'm more concerned about his CURRENT policies than his past birth place.....
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/11/2009 8:50:55 PM
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There are two opposite facts that bug me about this birth certificate thing.
First, if he is indeed unqualified to be President, then how come Hillary Clinton--who zealously wanted to be President--- or some extreme Right Winger prove this before the election?
Second, Obama is in much the same position as Saddam Hussein vis a vis "WMD's". Saddam acted for all the world like a man who had such weapons and intended to use them. Simple solution to prevent the war in Iraq was to say, "Hey, W. Send your inspectors in. We welcome them. You're full of beans if you think we have WMD's currently! I'm a good little dictator, doing precisely what the world community tells me to do." Bingo. End of crisis.
It would be so easy for Obama to end this distraction simply by asking Hawaii, officially, to release his birth certificate. He only deepens the problem by holding it back.
So why doesn't he? I'm just asking, that's all.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/12/2009 10:45:06 AM
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There are two opposite facts that bug me about this birth certificate thing.
First, if he is indeed unqualified to be President, then how come Hillary Clinton--who zealously wanted to be President--- or some extreme Right Winger prove this before the election?
Second, Obama is in much the same position as Saddam Hussein vis a vis "WMD's". Saddam acted for all the world like a man who had such weapons and intended to use them. Simple solution to prevent the war in Iraq was to say, "Hey, W. Send your inspectors in. We welcome them. You're full of beans if you think we have WMD's currently! I'm a good little dictator, doing precisely what the world community tells me to do." Bingo. End of crisis.
It would be so easy for Obama to end this distraction simply by asking Hawaii, officially, to release his birth certificate. He only deepens the problem by holding it back.
So why doesn't he? I'm just asking, that's all.
1. The President, or anyone else cannot compell any state to release anything on vital records. It's part of the boundary between state's rights and the federal government. Hawaii's law trumps.
2. If the "vault" were emptied, whatever was there, if it contradicted the birthers, would be called a forgery, so it would be meaningless anyway.
3. The birth certificate that has been seen is the legal document, not the "vault" copy.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/12/2009 7:25:05 PM
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It would be so easy for Obama to end this distraction simply by asking Hawaii, officially, to release his birth certificate. He only deepens the problem by holding it back.
So why doesn't he? I'm just asking, that's all.
he HAS....He has not held it back...and that is why the courts keep throwing this case out.
Some dogs will keep rolling in dead meat...even when you take it away..they will roll in the dirt where the stink is.
I think that is what has happened in this case. Instead of focusing on things that can and must be dealt with.....people are focusing on the empty ground where the thing they wanted to be true was proven false...and they just can't leave it alone.
And believe me...in rankles me to have to defend someone I did not vote for, do not want as my president, and whose policies, in general, make me want to hurl.....but I do not believe in using LIES to discredit him. I think that between congress and himself....they will find enough things to discredit themselves.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/12/2009 7:40:34 PM
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Checked out one of those. Do they honestly think comparing a 1961 birth certificate against a 1930 certificate and noting the differences matters? Like nothing can change in 30 years?  You can compare dollar bills from those eras and see differences. No counterfeiting needed.
LOL...isn't that true?
Even the money from 10 years ago compared to the "new bills" we have now.....or even 5 years ago!
My birth certificate (from Colorado) looks incredibly different than my husband's (California) from the same year......does that make one of ours invalid?
My birth certificate looks different from my brother's...and he was born in Colorado 6 years before me.....(and we have proof....family pictures, hospital bracelets, everything!).....
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/12/2009 9:31:12 PM
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I wonder what's his fear for not let the people see his Birth Certificate! 
Just saw some of the websites, you are free to check them out:
http://www.anomalytv.com/site/2008/12/12/there-are-some-strange-things-about-barack-obamas-birth-certificate
http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/obama-birth-certificate-revealed.html 
Checked out one of those. Do they honestly think comparing a 1961 birth certificate against a 1930 certificate and noting the differences matters? Like nothing can change in 30 years? You can compare dollar bills from those eras and see differences. No counterfeiting needed.
Good heavens, the guy in that video is an idiot. Maybe they didn't teach him in his citizenship classes that Hawaii didn't become a state until 1959. Who knows what paperwork differences there were migrating pre-statehood childbirths into the post-statehood system. That could easily explain the difference between "filed" and "accepted."
If I was releasing my birth certificate to the world, I'd have the number redacted, too.
There is a seal on it, you just can't see it in that image.
Both of those documents were printed somewhat recently. The term "laser" wasn't even coined until 1959, and as such a document from 1961 wouldn't have "LASER" printed in the bottom corner. And as I already alluded to, a document originally produced in 1930 wouldn't say "State of Hawaii."
Other than that, they're identical.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/12/2009 9:39:49 PM
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It's like Tom Brokaw said just before the election: "We don't know anything about the guy."
Basically, Obama is more or less a creation of the media (not literally) in that they are too invested in him to even look into who he is.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/12/2009 10:07:10 PM
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Checked out one of those. Do they honestly think comparing a 1961 birth certificate against a 1930 certificate and noting the differences matters? Like nothing can change in 30 years? You can compare dollar bills from those eras and see differences. No counterfeiting needed.
LOL...isn't that true?
Even the money from 10 years ago compared to the "new bills" we have now.....or even 5 years ago!
My birth certificate (from Colorado) looks incredibly different than my husband's (California) from the same year......does that make one of ours invalid?
My birth certificate looks different from my brother's...and he was born in Colorado 6 years before me.....(and we have proof....family pictures, hospital bracelets, everything!).....
"I'm sorry. We regret to inform you that your birth has been revoked due to an improper font and ink color on your original birth certificate. Either that or our recent statehood is causing procedural difficulties in verifying your existance."
< Message edited by GroupW -- 8/12/2009 10:16:27 PM >
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