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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 10/4/2009 10:36:23 PM
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Milliecat
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I've already read about Silverstein and his huge insurance policy. But if the military was responsible, who was flying the planes? Were there really Arab terrorists? The flight attendants were communicating with air traffic controllers and I thought they described the men and that they knew which seats they had been assigned to.
I have been almost positive for a long time that the plane over Pennsylvania was shot down. It was debris when it hit the ground. Even the worst plane crashes have at least some of the plane visible on the ground.
Do you really think that Bin Laden's son was really killed by a drone? If he is the CIA's "friend" wouldn't they make sure they don't kill any of his relatives.
The friend I mentioned before says that the wars were for the purpose of getting our hands on Arab oil, but Afghanistan doesn't have any oil. So why Afghanistan?
Where is the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon as I do not believe there was a plane in any of the videos or pictures I have seen?
Thank you for explaining a lot here. I'm not sure what I believe yet but I have always thought that the WTC 1,2 and 7 looked like implosions. I just couldn't imagine how they could have been wired without anyone noticing.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 10/4/2009 11:25:21 PM
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Quite easy to wire without anyone noticing..they were posing as repairmen..apparently there was a lot of activity for a few months before, under the guise of wiring, and computer wiring upgrades, so this would be part of the cover, also working on weekends in the buildings. So teams of demolition experts would have no problem installing the explosives. The pentagon shows no evidence of a 757 hitting it..as you know a 757 is huge and does not fit in a 16 ft hole, but a cruise missle fits in that hole nicely. Also the missile penetrated to the inner ring through five walls of re-enforced concrete totally something like fifteen ft of concrete..a bunker buster would do that..not a 757. So we know it was not a 757 that hit the pentagon ..and we know it was not a large aircraft that made the hole in Shanksville..where did the planes go?
Thats why we need a full independent investigation of this whole crime to get all the answers. The Governemnt removed the evidence from the towers so fast, and would not let investigators near it why? A large crime scene like that should have been investigated for months and months by experts to determine exactly what happened. You also raise a great point about fighter planes intercepting..why did Cheney remove the authority for NORAD interceptions from the military, and take command personally so he had to approve their actions on that day? Prior to that NORAD would act immediately on their own to intercept wayward aircraft that appears lost or turned off their transponders..all these questions have to be answered..there has been too much silence..Why did GWB keep reading goat stories in the school when told about the attack on New York? Normally he would be whisked away so quick, but it was like they knew beforehand what was happening. He said at a new conference later..he saw the first crash on a TV..however there was no broadcast of the first crash until much later. hmm obviously he knew from sources in his limo..why did they then go ahead with the photo op? Unbelievable conduct.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 10/4/2009 11:56:08 PM
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I couldn't really find the connection between Silverstein and the Mossad, however, I did start to watch a video about the Mossad. I am fiercely pro-Israel so I stopped watching it because it was sounding like an anti-Semite produced it. I might go back and watch it later, but it is very hard for me to imagine a reason for Israel to get involved. To murder all of those people and let the world think Arab terrorists did it thus turning Americans against Arabs or Muslims in general? If that was the purpose it didn't work. It didn't deter people from voting for a "formerly" Muslim president. The guy I mentioned earlier said the Jews were involved and that there is video of members of the Mossad on a roof in New York City after the WTC towers fell and they were jumping for joy. He also says they were "captured" and sent back home. There is just so much that you read on the internet and how do you know what is true and what is not true? I think a lot of people in this country hate Jews and make up a lot of these things.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 10/5/2009 1:44:43 AM
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HI Milliecat ..yes poor little Israel is fighting for its very existence, and I have admired them for many years. However the politics of the world are very complex. If you google Silverstein 9/11 the connection between Silverstein and Israeli Prime Ministers appears very strong. The links indicate some Mossad connection. On the surface it appear reasonable because that way they get the US to take care of Iraq, Afghanistan and possibly Iran, which was two thirds fulfilled. While I do not agree with the attacks on the two, it could be an explanation. That is why we need a full investigation to get to the truth. We know what it was not..it was not 19 Arabs with box cutters taking over those airplanes..that does not add up from any way you look at it.. Google Pilots for 9/11 truth..they shed a lot of light on this as well.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 10/5/2009 7:28:30 PM
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Hi Cornergas, I'm reading a lot from Pilots for 9/11 Truth and am going to watch a movie called "Rethinking 9/11" tonight.
I'm not sure about Israel. I did find the right website last night. (I was looking for "Ken" Silverstein instead of "Larry") The Mossad may have been in on it but I'll have to read more. Israel is a very secular state right now and a lot of Jews are atheists. I wouldn't be happy if they were involved but I would still support them because God says to. He will deal with them in His own way and in His own time.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 10/6/2009 1:06:46 PM
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Hi Milliecat ...I watched that show you mentioned, basically reviews the previous information, but quite a bit more on the possible Mossad involvement, and other spy agencies..that is kind of a strange twist..
Like one of the analysts previously, has said, when you eliminate the impossible details, what is left must be the truth, however improbable. So for example we look at the buildings..is the government theory correct?..impossible..because of :bldg 7, not being struck and classic controlled demolition at free fall speed.and buildings 1 and 2 ..struck by airplanes, would this cause them to fall straight down, at free fall speed..impossible..so the only conclusion we can draw is they were all destroyed by controlled demolition. etc etc..and do that exercise for all the factors.. The one thing that baffles me is did those civilian aircraft hit the buildings, or was it remote controlled military aircraft? (This capability has been around since at least the fifties)If so where did the civilian aircraft and passengers go? There is a lot of confusion on that issue as there is evidence the aircraft that supposedly struck the ground at Shankesville PA actually landed at Cleveland, and no one could get near it and the records of this have been ordered destroyed, as has been records at Boston Logan airport been destroyed right away. Anyway, the puzzle is starting to come together, and there at a lot of professional people working on it, such as the Archithects/Engineers, Military and police people, etc etc. so eventually the puzzle will come together, and I am sure we will not like the picture that will emerge, but then maybe justice will be pursued to punish the truly guilty parties.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 10/6/2009 7:47:32 PM
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Milliecat...Google Aaron Russo give great insight into 9/11 and the money system fed reserve and IRS..
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 10/6/2009 11:29:56 PM
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If that is the one with the interviews of former IRS employees, I saw it some time ago. It was interesting. I guess that the amendment to the Constitution which states we have to pay income taxes was only properly ratified in one state.
I don't remember anything about 9/11 in the video. I'll google him and see what I come up with. Thanks.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 10/8/2009 4:55:11 PM
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Hi Milliecat.some good information on the background of 9/11 on a website google: CBC Fifth Estate, then click on past or previous shows, the show you want is "The lies that led to war"
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/8/2009 8:23:35 PM
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Found this interesting
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A ground-breaking scientific paper confirmed this week that red-gray flakes found throughout multiple samples of WTC dust are actually unexploded fragments of nanothermite, an exotic high-tech explosive.
The samples were taken from far-separated locations in Manhattan, some as early as 10 minutes after the second tower (WTC 1) collapsed, ruling out any possible contamination from cleanup operations.
Authored by an international team of physicists, chemists, and others, the research paper was titled “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe.” It was published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, 2009, Vol. 2., and is available online for free download. The lead author is Niels H. Harrit of the Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen.
Exotic High Tech Explosives Positively Identified in World Trade Center Dust
Also found this interesting (same link).
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The steel was removed and destroyed very quickly after the catastrophe, despite loud protests from fire fighters and others.
Is this statement true? If the steel was destroyed then it begs the question, what good reason would there be to destroy it?
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/8/2009 11:06:11 PM
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If the steel were actually destroyed, then what was USS New York made from? But what doesn't seem likely to me is that they would take all that steel and set it aside to build a ship with it, especially so many years after the fact (I don't know how long it takes to build a ship like that).
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/9/2009 2:08:50 PM
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Found this interesting
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A ground-breaking scientific paper confirmed this week that red-gray flakes found throughout multiple samples of WTC dust are actually unexploded fragments of nanothermite, an exotic high-tech explosive.
The samples were taken from far-separated locations in Manhattan, some as early as 10 minutes after the second tower (WTC 1) collapsed, ruling out any possible contamination from cleanup operations.
Authored by an international team of physicists, chemists, and others, the research paper was titled “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe.” It was published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, 2009, Vol. 2., and is available online for free download. The lead author is Niels H. Harrit of the Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen.
Exotic High Tech Explosives Positively Identified in World Trade Center Dust
Also found this interesting (same link).
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The steel was removed and destroyed very quickly after the catastrophe, despite loud protests from fire fighters and others.
Is this statement true? If the steel was destroyed then it begs the question, what good reason would there be to destroy it?
The USS New York's bow contains about 7.5 tons of steel from the WTC site.
The "open journal" in which this article is published is not highly-respected as it's standards are suspect. One commenter on Scholarly Kitchen, Jeppe Nicolaisen, wrote that he long ago withdrew from the TOISCIJ’s “so-called editorial board because I felt something was wrong” and said he was “a bit shocked” to see his name still on the board. (Another Bentham editor resigned in April after Bentham published a controversial article about 9/11 without her knowledge.)
The article is clearly biased and collection of samples is suspect. The involvement of 9/11 "Truther" Dr. Steven Jones is a red flag. The conclusion that "nanotechnology" is involved seems to be quite speculative.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/9/2009 11:12:08 PM
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The conclusion that "nanotechnology" is involved seems to be quite speculative.
Nanotechnology can refer to simple things in every day items.
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Most applications are limited to the use of "first generation" passive nanomaterials which includes titanium dioxide in sunscreen, cosmetics and some food products; Carbon allotropes used to produce gecko tape; silver in food packaging, clothing, disinfectants and household appliances; zinc oxide in sunscreens and cosmetics, surface coatings, paints and outdoor furniture varnishes; and cerium oxide as a fuel catalyst.[44]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology
and if I remember correctly from a chem book I have (or the associated class), certain gulf clubs use "nanotechnology" for increased strength or something.
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Another Bentham editor resigned in April after Bentham published a controversial article about 9/11 without her knowledge.)
The journal is suspect because it published articles questioning 9/11 and therefore the questioning of 9/11 is suspicious. By that logic if some respected journal published articles questioning 9/11 it would, by default, cease to be a respected journal. This is poor logic.
BTW, I'm not saying that this journal is or isn't a good journal in general, just saying that when the matter at hand involves 9/11 it doesn't make sense and doesn't contribute to the discussion to disregard the journal's publication merely because the/an article on the subject disagrees with you. It would be more helpful if you can elaborate a bit (ie: explain why it's wrong, provide counter evidence, something).
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The involvement of 9/11 "Truther" Dr. Steven Jones is a red flag.
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Jones earned his bachelor's degree in physics, magna cum laude, from Brigham Young University in 1973, and his Ph.D. in physics from Vanderbilt University in 1978. Jones conducted his Ph.D. research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (from 1974 to 1977), and post-doctoral research at Cornell University and the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
Yes, because there is nothing otherwise wrong with him other than the fact that he questions what happened on 9/11. By that logic everyone who questions anything that agrees with you should automatically be disregarded and the questioning of your position should automatically raise a red flag because the questioning of your position is conducted by those who question your position.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/10/2009 2:32:35 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: cow451
The conclusion that "nanotechnology" is involved seems to be quite speculative.
Nanotechnology can refer to simple things in every day items.
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Most applications are limited to the use of "first generation" passive nanomaterials which includes titanium dioxide in sunscreen, cosmetics and some food products; Carbon allotropes used to produce gecko tape; silver in food packaging, clothing, disinfectants and household appliances; zinc oxide in sunscreens and cosmetics, surface coatings, paints and outdoor furniture varnishes; and cerium oxide as a fuel catalyst.[44]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology
and if I remember correctly from a chem book I have (or the associated class), certain gulf clubs use "nanotechnology" for increased strength or something.
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Another Bentham editor resigned in April after Bentham published a controversial article about 9/11 without her knowledge.)
The journal is suspect because it published articles questioning 9/11 and therefore the questioning of 9/11 is suspicious. By that logic if some respected journal published articles questioning 9/11 it would, by default, cease to be a respected journal. This is poor logic.
BTW, I'm not saying that this journal is or isn't a good journal in general, just saying that when the matter at hand involves 9/11 it doesn't make sense and doesn't contribute to the discussion to disregard the journal's publication merely because the/an article on the subject disagrees with you. It would be more helpful if you can elaborate a bit (ie: explain why it's wrong, provide counter evidence, something).
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The involvement of 9/11 "Truther" Dr. Steven Jones is a red flag.
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Jones earned his bachelor's degree in physics, magna cum laude, from Brigham Young University in 1973, and his Ph.D. in physics from Vanderbilt University in 1978. Jones conducted his Ph.D. research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (from 1974 to 1977), and post-doctoral research at Cornell University and the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
Yes, because there is nothing otherwise wrong with him other than the fact that he questions what happened on 9/11. By that logic everyone who questions anything that agrees with you should automatically be disregarded and the questioning of your position should automatically raise a red flag because the questioning of your position is conducted by those who question your position.
Bottom line is that the article is published in a journal that operates below scientific standards for peer review. The article contains clear bias. Dr. Jones is biased and was involved in the "dust gathering" which was done in unscientific manner.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/11/2009 9:49:56 PM
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If the steel were actually destroyed, then what was USS New York made from? But what doesn't seem likely to me is that they would take all that steel and set it aside to build a ship with it, especially so many years after the fact (I don't know how long it takes to build a ship like that).
Well, you wouldn't think that it would take four years but keep in mind one thing. The United States built things faster during WWII, you can count on that. Anyways, LPD21 was built at Avondale not far from where I'm hanging out now. I did help with some final work with LPD17 which didn't go too well. The other construction company that does this is around the Pascagoula, Mississippi area. Some people might say that Pascagoula is a better looking area, and I won't argue with that. This vessel was still under construction during Katrina, so that kind of tells you how long it's been. Anyways, here is the info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPD-21#Construction
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/11/2009 10:01:51 PM
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Thanks Rockominal.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/12/2009 11:51:32 AM
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How many times do we have to go over this politically motivated gibberish?
Catastrophies always produce un-explained, un-answered questions, and simple coincidences that can be twisted into all kinds of views and interpretations.
However, there are a couple of simple truths that need to be kept in mind:
1. The more people involved in an endeavor, the less likely secrets can be kept.
2. The profit motif of such an endeavor needs to be greater than the cost, to each participant of the endeavor.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/12/2009 2:48:09 PM
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The government loves sheeples with their head in the sand, and afraid to question. In the case of 9/11 there are too many unanswered questions, and unbelievable inaccurate government accounts of things, which they never have explained satisfactorily..Why have they not done this? Why have they never allowed a thorough investigation, befitting of crime scenes this large? Why was the so called commander in chief reading goat stories and continue to do so ten minutes after being advised of the second tower being struck? Why was NORAD in stand down mode, and not allowed to follow their intercept intructions, on this day only? and the list goes on and on..of questions that any intelligent person should be asking.....the motives...Silverstein..gets WTC demolished makes piles of money, Bush gets his excuse to go to war..and the list goes on and on. But there are always those who refuse to use their brains, and will blindly follow whatever the government tells them...hmmm blind is right!
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/12/2009 3:58:48 PM
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The government loves sheeples with their head in the sand, and afraid to question. In the case of 9/11 there are too many unanswered questions, and unbelievable inaccurate government accounts of things, which they never have explained satisfactorily..Why have they not done this? Why have they never allowed a thorough investigation, befitting of crime scenes this large? Why was the so called commander in chief reading goat stories and continue to do so ten minutes after being advised of the second tower being struck? Why was NORAD in stand down mode, and not allowed to follow their intercept intructions, on this day only? and the list goes on and on..of questions that any intelligent person should be asking.....the motives...Silverstein..gets WTC demolished makes piles of money, Bush gets his excuse to go to war..and the list goes on and on. But there are always those who refuse to use their brains, and will blindly follow whatever the government tells them...hmmm blind is right!
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How's about you use your brain and conjure up how many people and how long it would take to rig the Trade Center with explosives. And after you cipher that one, there's a few follow-up questions.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/12/2009 4:06:31 PM
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Wiring explosives, already researched and covered in previous posts, and numerous google articles...if you want to keep head in sand and not read them or acknowledge them that is your choice...avail yourself of the information, and you will gain the knowledge you desire.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/12/2009 5:22:56 PM
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Wiring explosives, already researched and covered in previous posts, and numerous google articles...if you want to keep head in sand and not read them or acknowledge them that is your choice...avail yourself of the information, and you will gain the knowledge you desire.
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Not a single one has given the information I asked. That's because nobody has even a remote idea how it could be done. I've gone to very link and way more, so your "head in the sand eyes closed, etc." contention is baloney.
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/15/2009 12:21:03 AM
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Do not speak for me please..I have researched it fully and it does not take a whole bunch of knowledge to get at the answers..but obviously for some reason you cannot latch onto it..so you wish to believe the official government conspiracy theory, that is your decision..if you want to learn the true facts, then avail yourself of the studies and information from numerous professionals, who have more than enough information, to have the government do a real investigation, instead of covering up the facts..why are they covering up? Because all the evidence says they did it plain and simple..you do not like that..tough turkey..do research and learn my friend..and the truth will set you free..
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RE: Questions about 9/11 - 11/16/2009 7:50:26 AM
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Greetings Cow,,
These are good questions and while no one can give you a direct answer, it seems that some links have been provided by what Cornergas is stating. I can't find the links,, so i have had a quick look myself and have found pages on this theory by a simple web search.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_demolition_hypothesis_for_the_collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_demolition
here is some wiki links for starters, to get you going..
What i do find interesting is your question about how long it would take to rig the whole two buildings for detonation? I guess for a timeframe we should look at the other buildings and see how long they took to get ready for detonation..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._L._Hudson_Department_Store_and_Addition
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=7&reqItemId=20030225133807
From the above link here is how long the J.L. Hudson Department Store
took to rig.
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CDI had to sever the steel in the columns and create a delay system which could simultaneously control the failure of the building’s 12 different structural configurations, while trying to keep the hundreds of thousands of tons of debris within the 420 ft by 220 ft footprint of the structure. CDI needed structural data to complete its design. Under CDI direction, Homrich/NASDI’s 21 man crew needed three months to investigate the complex and four months to complete preparations for CDI’s implosion design.
CDI’s 12 person loading crew took twenty four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex.
So how long would it take to rig the Twin Towers ? I have no idea..
What i do find interesting regarding the fall of the towers was the fact that Thermite was also linked to the towers falling and the fact that there are reports that the building was being rewired for the internet just prior to that day in 9/11. Add all these things together and it may have been the result of man and not just the planes that caused the towers to fall.
Anyways i hope that helps you in your quest for answers.
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