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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/9/2009 9:58:23 PM
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Marcus.
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Chuck Missler's book does an even better and more detailed job of making the case for UFOs and alien abduction being a demonic activity.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/19/2009 6:44:10 PM
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I'm reading chuck missler's book now and it's been very educational.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/21/2009 7:02:26 PM
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SonInMe1
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There is some research that suggests that most alien encounters happen during a time just before you wake up or as you come out of a dream where your body, which locks itself up as you dream so you don't act it out, is stuck and disorientated.
In such circumstances, "alien encounters" happen.
They are imagined, from your own conscience...so, if this is the case, its easy to suppose that if a christian has an alien encounter in such a fashion, they would seem demonic.
I am sure there are books and videos out there that say Jesus was an alien ( I have read at least one ). A book on a subject does not make it true....though they usually reinforce some weird ideologies.
Now...statistically there must be intellegent life....its statistics, nothing more. Math. Math does not tend to be agenda driven.
I didn't say statistics were above God's will. I only stated a fact that sure set you off. The universe is a very big place and for God to place intellegent life in such a tiny little area is....hard to concieve.
It also goes to my original presumption that prejudice against aliens is alive. Are we so self centered that we believe God only created us? God is very creative. I am sure there are litterally billions of ways to make intellegent life other than our's.
Personally I do not believe in the alien encounters or that aliens have visited us. While anything is possible, it doesn't seem logical an alien traveling such distances just comes to mutilate cows and scare rednecks.
Aliens as demons. Its possible. I just don't equate everything I don't immediatly understand to demons and satan.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/31/2009 5:04:17 PM
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cow451
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SoninMe1 said in post 16
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Aliens as demons? That xenophobia again.
Not necessarily. A minister wrote a book about UFOs and alien abductions. He points out that these ETs come and talk up anti-christian ideas and some even talk against Christ. He does a good job of detailing the various aspects of UFOs and encounters. He used to work in the aerospace industry before he became a minister so he offers some unique points of view to the physicalitiy of UFOs.
But Missler seems to accept everything pro-ufo at face value. One of the people cited in this book is a guy that faked UFO "films" and claimed to fly around the universe in a spaceship from Venus.
Missler also admitted to some plagerism in another book he wrote.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/31/2009 10:16:46 PM
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One of the people cited in this book is a guy that faked UFO "films" and claimed to fly around the universe in a spaceship from Venus.
Missler also admitted to some plagerism in another book he wrote.
Links for either of those?
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 9/4/2009 9:26:45 AM
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ORIGINAL: cow451
One of the people cited in this book is a guy that faked UFO "films" and claimed to fly around the universe in a spaceship from Venus.
Missler also admitted to some plagerism in another book he wrote.
Links for either of those?
Thought not.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 9/28/2009 5:45:04 AM
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Back to the main subject of the thread. I don't believe that any of the UFO sightings or alien encounters are either with real aliens or supernatural in origin. They are all either deliberate hoaxes or misunderstandings or a mix of both.
I think it is likely that there is life on other planets in our galaxy, perhaps abundant life, but I suspect that intelligent life is much rarer.
As to why we haven't encountered any aliens yet (and I mean real encounters witnessed by the whole world), I have two thoughts:
a) If intelligent life is very rare then intelligent aliens are simply too far away for us to have made contact yet (either in person or via SETI).
b) If intelligent life is more abundant or has been around a lot longer than we have, then they could already know about us and have chosen not to reveal themselves, like Star Trek's Prime Directive.
If (b) is true, then I openly invite the aliens to change their minds and come and say "Hello!" 
Christianity will easily survive an alien encounter since most Christians will simply accommodate the reality of aliens in whatever way fits their current belief system. Liberal Christians will probably have the least trouble since they already accept that the Universe is billions of years old and consider life on other planets a real possibility. Young Earthers and other fundamentalists Christians will find it a little tougher, but I suspect that many will find a way to hold on to their beliefs even if it means denouncing the aliens as tools of Satan or whatever.
Things will get even stickier if, for example, the aliens have been around recording the history of Earth for the last, say, 100,000 years and gave us the tapes to look at. (Not that I think this will happen!)
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 10/4/2009 7:04:16 PM
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My pastor years ago had an interesting sermon, on UFOs. In the Bible (can’t remember all the verses) says fallen angels are sometimes referred too as a certain color. And notice most ‘Aliens’ are green.
So, yes, lights in the sky do exist. Many unknown things we cannot explain, but to me ALL of this is in God’s hands.
No, I don’t believe in other life on other planets.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 10/7/2009 3:10:14 AM
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ORIGINAL: tacitus
Back to the main subject of the thread. I don't believe that any of the UFO sightings or alien encounters are either with real aliens or supernatural in origin. They are all either deliberate hoaxes or misunderstandings or a mix of both.
I think it is likely that there is life on other planets in our galaxy, perhaps abundant life, but I suspect that intelligent life is much rarer.
As to why we haven't encountered any aliens yet (and I mean real encounters witnessed by the whole world), I have two thoughts:
a) If intelligent life is very rare then intelligent aliens are simply too far away for us to have made contact yet (either in person or via SETI).
b) If intelligent life is more abundant or has been around a lot longer than we have, then they could already know about us and have chosen not to reveal themselves, like Star Trek's Prime Directive.
If (b) is true, then I openly invite the aliens to change their minds and come and say "Hello!"
Christianity will easily survive an alien encounter since most Christians will simply accommodate the reality of aliens in whatever way fits their current belief system. Liberal Christians will probably have the least trouble since they already accept that the Universe is billions of years old and consider life on other planets a real possibility. Young Earthers and other fundamentalists Christians will find it a little tougher, but I suspect that many will find a way to hold on to their beliefs even if it means denouncing the aliens as tools of Satan or whatever.
Things will get even stickier if, for example, the aliens have been around recording the history of Earth for the last, say, 100,000 years and gave us the tapes to look at. (Not that I think this will happen!)
VERY interesting view! :)
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 10/7/2009 11:03:46 AM
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The universe is an immence place. Its statistically impossible that intellegent life only exists on one planet of the trillions upon trillions of planets out there.
It was and is statistically impossible for one man to fulfill the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled in His birth, life, death and resurrection, etc.. Have you ever considered the millions and millions of conditions that must be met for life to even be possible? For example, the distance of the earth from the sun and moon, the right mixture of gases in the air, the precise magnetic field to support life, etc.. The list goes on and on and on. If you change any of these factors by just a small fraction of a percent, life ceases to exist. Life is impossible, but nothing is impossible with our LORD!
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My guess is, the bible was written by humans who didn't even understand what a planet was.
We often make the mistake of thinking that in ancient times that men walked around in animal skins, sporting caveman clubs... and eventually stumbled upon the ability to talk, read, and write (I'm not saying you think that, just that we often let that rule our thinking). That is absurd. Yes, we have grown in our knowledge and technologies, but God created man as intelligent beings. But let me return to your statement that ancients didn't know what a planet was.
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He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing. He binds up the water in His thick clouds, Yet the clouds are not broken under it (Job 26:7-8).
Sounds like he knew a little bit of how things work.
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Then God said, 'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth'; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day (Genesis 1:14-19).
It seems here that it was clear to Moses, the writer of Genesis, what they are and what they were for.
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He appointed the moon for seasons; The sun knows its going down (Psalm 104:19.
Hmmmm.
There are many, many more Scriptures that show that ancient man were not dunces. They knew how things worked. In fact, it is from their knowledge that we have been able to obtain the knowledge that we have today.
But on another note, it is my opinion that what people refer to as "aliens", are in fact demonic beings. Scripture declares that Satan is the prince of the powers of the air. So it would not surprise me to see these things, for there will be and is great deception in these last days.
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And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others (Ephesians 2:1-3).
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Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places (Ephesians 6:11-12).
Anyway, I am starting to ramble a little, so I will come to a close. I am not claiming in any way that I know all the answers. What I am saying is that the Scriptures say what the Scriptures say, and are not silent on these issues. Be careful that you are not deceived, so that you don't fall under the same seduction and deception that the rest of the world is under, choosing to believe a lie instead of the truth. May God's mercy and blessing fall on you in abundance, according to His will.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 10/7/2009 11:10:11 AM
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Maybe UFO/flying saucer stories are a cover-up for top secret military testing.
It's possible, isn't it?
This is also true. Do a little digging, and you will be shocked at what the military is undertaking that has been kept secret for so long. But along with my last post, Satan is using these people, along with demonic powers of the air, to deceive the people of this world. Take heed that you not be deceived. Be sober and watchful, and in all things prayerful, giving thanks to the Father for his mercy.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 10/8/2009 6:04:22 PM
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tacitus
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I don't think Satan needs to do any deluding. There are more than enough people in the world who are willing to delude themselves without any help from anyone else.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 10/19/2009 8:06:58 PM
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Wow, cool, kinda like watching Christian x-files, with Mulder and Scully and everything!
I think I spelled Mulder wrong.....horror!
I personally don't believe in the existence of aliens, but it really has nothing to do with believing someone is or isn't a Christian or whether or not the Bible is true (ie II Tim 3:16, Psa. 119:89, etc). I just don't believe in them. If I saw one I guess I'd have to adjust that belief.
As far as being a true Christian, I'm not too worried about that. The Bible is pretty clear on what a Christian is and how to become one, and I'm pretty sure aliens aren't involved one way or the other.
When I come upon subjects like this, where I really don't know, I generally think about all of the things the Bible addresses that I do know. Am I obeying all of those things? If not, what the heck am I doing attacking a fellow believer over the existence of little green men?
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