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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 10:51:55 AM
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stellaluna
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Christmas is for heathens.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 11:24:15 AM
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P.S. As an aside, is it wrong for Christians to teach their children about a Santa who doesn't exist, whilst the world ignore a God who does?"
On this site, I don't think you'll find anyone agreeing to play fun with Santa and ignore G-d.
I don't know any Christian who advocates this.
I also understand that you're from the UK and if I'm not mistaken, Christianity is pretty threadbare there anyway.
If you truly want to center your holiday celebration around Christ then by all means, do so! Teach your children, have fun with the holiday, and show them why the holiday is so amazing. 
And if you're wondering if I taught my children about Santa, I did. Thing 1 never believed but he humoured us. Thing 2 quit believing a lot sooner than I would have liked thanks to Thing 1 yet they still set cookies and milk out for Santa and carrots and sugar cubes for the reindeer. They still squeal when they see everything gone even though they know Mummy ate the cookies and carrots with her glass of wine and dumped the milk out (I'm lactose intolerant). 
If you read the portion of my post that you quoted from again, you will see that I am referring to the world ignoring God, not Christians ignoring Him!
Easy mistake to make I guess!
How you celebrate Christmas is your business, as how I celebrate is mine. The P.S. to original post centres around Christians telling deliberate lies to their Children about a character who does not exist.
As for Christianity being threadbare in the UK, if that is your judgement so be it, however it is not my experience.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 11:32:36 AM
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What puzzles me is that the OP condemns the trappings, santa, etc. while still accepting a converted pagan holiday. The line seems to be blurred a bit.
Throwing babies out with bathwater comes to mind (a term used here in the UK which I hope translates well over the pond!).
Christmas serves the purpose well of bringing the Gospel yet again to the attention of the lost, but it seems to have gotten out of hand, even for some Christians! In fact in many respects Christmas has become a Christless-mess, where the true meaning has been hi-jacked by the world.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 11:33:47 AM
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Comes down to balance. The trimmings are not wrong, they just shouldn't be the full focus. As far as Santa goes, my wife and I have never told our kids that Santa actually exists. We approached it just like any of the other characters they read about in their kids books.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 11:35:50 AM
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How can a world who doesn't know G-d celebrate His son's birth? I don't understand what you're looking for there.
If you don't believe in Buddha why would you celebrate his holidays? Same thing with non-Christians celebrating Christians. Some celebrate it as a time to spend with family and buy presents; nothing to do at all with the birth of Christ.
And it's not my judgement that Christianity is threadbare in the UK; I said I might be mistaken but that is what I have heard from others living in the UK.
I don't see how Christians celebrating with Santa is comparative to non-Christians celebrating Christmas without G-d. Christians are quite capable of doing both without deminishing the true celebration.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 11:44:34 AM
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How can a world who doesn't know G-d celebrate His son's birth? I don't understand what you're looking for there.
If you don't believe in Buddha why would you celebrate his holidays? Same thing with non-Christians celebrating Christians. Some celebrate it as a time to spend with family and buy presents; nothing to do at all with the birth of Christ.
And it's not my judgement that Christianity is threadbare in the UK; I said I might be mistaken but that is what I have heard from others living in the UK.
I don't see how Christians celebrating with Santa is comparative to non-Christians celebrating Christmas without G-d. Christians are quite capable of doing both without deminishing the true celebration.
My reading of the Christian bible tells me that humanity is in direct rebellion against its Creator, He has set eternity in the hearts of all human beings, but fallen humanity prefer to ignore their Creator;
Rom 1: 18 - 20
"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
God and the advent of His Son cannot be seperated!
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 11:45:44 AM
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What puzzles me is that the OP condemns the trappings, santa, etc. while still accepting a converted pagan holiday. The line seems to be blurred a bit.
Throwing babies out with bathwater comes to mind (a term used here in the UK which I hope translates well over the pond!).
Christmas serves the purpose well of bringing the Gospel yet again to the attention of the lost, but it seems to have gotten out of hand, even for some Christians! In fact in many respects Christmas has become a Christless-mess, where the true meaning has been hi-jacked by the world.
I am quite familiar with the expression; however, you cannot use that as justification. You are condemning a part because you disagree with it, yet you are accepting the rest in spite of its origin. Another perspective for you that lines up with the argument you used here: St. Nick can serve the purpose of promoting charity quite well. The meaning of Christmas for the Christian has not been hijacked by anyone. The secular celebration of Christmas is a totally different animal. It is similar to comparing a Christian to a Muslim. We worship God. Muslims worships a god. While both religions exist, the focus is what is important.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 12:22:13 PM
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Christmas is for heathens.
I beg to differ. Christmas is for eggnog.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 1:39:20 PM
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What puzzles me is that the OP condemns the trappings, santa, etc. while still accepting a converted pagan holiday. The line seems to be blurred a bit.
Throwing babies out with bathwater comes to mind (a term used here in the UK which I hope translates well over the pond!).
Christmas serves the purpose well of bringing the Gospel yet again to the attention of the lost, but it seems to have gotten out of hand, even for some Christians! In fact in many respects Christmas has become a Christless-mess, where the true meaning has been hi-jacked by the world.
I am quite familiar with the expression; however, you cannot use that as justification. You are condemning a part because you disagree with it, yet you are accepting the rest in spite of its origin. Another perspective for you that lines up with the argument you used here: St. Nick can serve the purpose of promoting charity quite well. The meaning of Christmas for the Christian has not been hijacked by anyone. The secular celebration of Christmas is a totally different animal. It is similar to comparing a Christian to a Muslim. We worship God. Muslims worships a god. While both religions exist, the focus is what is important.
Oh well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/10/2009 5:55:03 PM
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Besides We don't have turkey for Christmas we have lamb.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/11/2009 2:54:18 AM
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This is a serious thread about a serious issue...so if you don't mind...thank you!
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/11/2009 3:05:04 AM
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Christmas is for heathens.
Thank you for your contribution, would you care to expand on your reasoning?
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/11/2009 3:12:06 AM
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Christmas is for heathens.
Thank you for your contribution, would you care to expand on your reasoning?
I believe that stellaluna was making a joke because that is what some post ends up trying to convince us. That Christmas along with every other holiday or birthday basiclly anything that is celebrated is wrong and for heathens.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/11/2009 3:51:25 AM
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Ya know the original Santa Claus, Saint Nicolas is a great post-resurrection Christian to tell your kids about. A lot of the stories about Santa Claus (stocking by the chimney, toys for children, etc) come from Saint Nicolas. His life is a great inspiration for us today still. He used to be the most popular Christian after Jesus for a few hundred years.
Roast leg of lamb with Mint-Apple Jelly is really for the holidays too.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/11/2009 6:24:19 AM
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Roast leg of lamb with Mint-Apple Jelly is really for the holidays too.
Agreed. Christmas should not be focussed on just turkeys.
To each his taste I always say. Here in the UK turkeys are available all year round anyway - which spoils the traditional "turkeys for Christmas" annual meal.
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/11/2009 7:39:38 AM
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Roast leg of lamb with Mint-Apple Jelly is really for the holidays too.
Agreed. Christmas should not be focussed on just turkeys.
To each his taste I always say. Here in the UK turkeys are available all year round anyway - which spoils the traditional "turkeys for Christmas" annual meal.
This is a serious thread about a serious issue...so if you don't mind...thank you!
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RE: Christmas only for Turkeys? - 8/11/2009 7:50:27 AM
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Christmas: yes. It's the most wonderful time of the year! Good music, good snowy weather, good food with good family and friends...
Santa: no way. I can never quite wrap my head around the fact that folks are happy with lying to their kids. I'm with Tammy and the others who think that just isn't very good witness, and I have personally known kids who ended up having some severe trust issues with their parents over this very subject.
Is it a fun story? Sure it can be. But my job is to help my children know God, to be an example to them in everything I do, and to teach them how to think critically. None of those things are accomplished by lying to them about a fantasy story.
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