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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 8:25:39 AM
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hammerandnails
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Dear Corne,
Nobody is judging!!
i am just simply saying to consider.
The first scripture that you listed refers to the jewish holidays. "..they are a shadow of the things to come." A shadow is something that is cast on the earth when the light strikes it. Christmas is not a shadow of the things to come by no way shape or form.
Pentecost is a shadow, Feast of the Tabernacles is a shadow but not Christmas.
Nobody is judging nobody.
Is is true that you have liberty in Christ, and you are free to do as you please, because ultimatelly you alone answer to the Lord as we all will.
All I am saying is CONSIDER!!
Paul said that "All things are lawfull to me, but all things are not edifying"
It may be lawful to you and all of us, but is not edifying to observe a holiday if there is even a shadow of doubt that it may not be in line with the word of God.
Oh, God, save us from ourselves!!
Love in Christ
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 9:18:26 AM
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Considering sounds an awful lot like judging.
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First that you join countless others that join in this commercial fest where Jesus is utterly absent.
Jesus is only absent if you intentionally leave him out. As a believer, when is Jesus ever absent from anything we do?
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Second, if there is even a shadow of suspition that is a pagan holyday, and is not even the Lord b-day, why would you want to even consider celebrating this pagan day?
The world is celebrating that, why would you even consider this day?
We technically don't know the day of the Lord's crucifixion either, but a weekend has been chosen each year to commemorate it. What difference does it make if someone chooses to honor His birth on any day? What difference does it make if it coincides with a cultural non-religious holiday? If Christ is in your Christmas, you aren't celebrating the same holiday unbelievers are.
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 9:35:45 AM
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Eutychus
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I want all to know that I do not delight in admitting that Christmas and Easter were taken from pagan holidays. It gives me no pleasure at all. I love you people as much as you can all be loved over a computer. Period.
And, yet, not a single believer celebrates what those pagans celebrated. None. Zip. Nada. It is, IMHO, a non-issue. When my family celebrates Christmas, it is all about our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
The first thing we do every Christmas eve is to read the accounts in Matthew and Luke of the Incarnation. Then, we open gifts in honor of the greatest Gift ever given to mankind. Why Christmas eve? Because we know that December 25th is not His actual birthday, or even close. But it is when Christendom celebrates it together and, as best we can, remind the lost why we celebrate God-With-Us.
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 10:25:41 AM
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hammerandnails
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Considering does not mean judging. It means think about it.
Remind the lost why we celebrate God-with-us?
The lost are in the mall spending money they don't have.
Passing out tracts in the parking lot will be a good example!
We should read Mathew and Luke everyday! Not just on Christmas.
When you do that, it is not a BIG THING when you do it on Christmas.
Observing "days" is a big thing with God.
That is the reason why He list them in Lev23. It will do some good to read them.
Christ kept all of them. He did not give the commandment : " Thou shall observe a day that gentiles observe. Thou shall deplenish the forest by cutting some trees, and thou shall decorate them with your kids. Thou shall spend a lot of money at Christmas, forget about those who go without. Thou shall read my word only in this day, forget about the rest of 364 days.
You will be too busy making money that you may replenish your cheking account."
I am not saying that you do that, but sadly a lot of christians do. And i WAS ONE OF THEM. !!!
May God bless you.
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 10:36:43 AM
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Eutychus
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We should read Mathew and Luke everyday! Not just on Christmas.
Come on, do you really do that?
I should make everyday special for my wife, adult children, grandchildren, and mother with a card and gifts and a special meal. But do I do that? Sadly, I don't. But there are certain dates on the calendar, the anniversaries of their birth, that remind me to make an extra effort to show my love and appreciation for them.
Due to another date on the calendar, for more than a month, my mind is on the Incarnation of God the Son. There is another date on the calendar that reminds me to spend special time meditating on the resurrection of my Lord and Savior.
In neither case do I meditate or worship on anything even remotely pagan.
And if the vast majority of lost world spend those times without thinking of Jesus Christ the Lord, it has no negative impact on me because they are not FAMILY, but I am - as well as all His born-again, blood bought, Holy Spirit indwelt disciples.
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 10:41:29 AM
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Eutychus
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Observing "days" is a big thing with God.
I am not an OT Jew. In the NT, His inspired said that I am free to worship Him as I am led and without condemnation. I am led to celebrate His Incarnation in December.
BTW, I have never, ever cut down a tree for use in December. Never. Where does that leave your OT references against celebrating the Incarnation?
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 10:54:44 AM
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hammerandnails
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The only person who does not see the blind spot is the one who have it!
At the risk of sounding self righteous, I do read the scripture daily.
May God bless you!
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 11:30:21 AM
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Euty..where are you learning this false doctrine? Basically you say we can worship Him any way we please...I guess you feel we are such nice people..well I got news for u..our society is the most vile and evil that ever roamed the planet, so why should God..think we are so good we can play his part and set our our days to worship Him...dream again Euty..So u read scripture on Dec 25th how sweet? Should be read a lot more often than that.. but if following pagan days, in the name of Jesus does it for you good for you...remember wide is the way!
Cornergas, where do you get your misinformation from about Dec. 25 being a "Pagan" winter solitce celebration day?
Thanks
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 11:36:08 AM
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Come on Euty give us some scriptural reference for this feel good do as you please, set your own day gospel you are spouting? Guess its more fun to be fighting with other people for the latest toys in the department store on Dec 24th..as christians I guess we have prior rights to these items eh?? Well if that does it for you..we have free will.. It is more productive in terms of Christianity to follow the days that God has commanded.
Know the truth and it will set you free
Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy
God bless us all.
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 11:46:22 AM
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Eutychus
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Romans 14:4-14
Misrepresenting the motives and actions and attitudes of other believers is bearing false witness, a term I'm sure you've encountered.
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 11:48:32 AM
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hammerandnails
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Incarnation?
A little leven.....
God bless you!
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 11:52:02 AM
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Eutychus
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Incarnation?
A little leven.....
God bless you!
What's your question and point? From that post one might wonder if you doubt the Incarnation of God the Son or even the Trinity.
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 12:06:00 PM
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Eutychus
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Why is it that you, hammerandnails, and cornergas answer direct question with cutsie, unrelated remarks?
You made an unclear, one word question and a snide remark about my beliefs and I asked for clarification. Why did that justify a personal attack?
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 12:14:35 PM
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Eutychus
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...well I got news for u..our society is the most vile and evil that ever roamed the planet...
I agree, but believers have been redeemed, born again, and changed. If they haven't been changed, they are still lost and no amount of rule keeping will make any difference in them. Here's what Pauls says we should be like:
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.
Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.
-Galatians 5:22-26
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 12:16:01 PM
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A past pastor once said something along the lines of "If you look at a christmas tree and see wood gods, you have a MUCH BIGGER problem than just a tree."
Whether or not the date for christmas or the name of easter had pagan roots is not the issue. The issue is What are you looking for? Where is your focus? Are you looking to celebrate the Lord or looking for idolatry?
Rom 14:5 One man esteems one day as more important. Another esteems every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks. He who doesn’t eat, to the Lord he doesn’t eat, and gives God thanks.
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 12:23:23 PM
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I don't doubt any of it. I am just not comfortable with that word.
It is to close to REincarnation.
I believe in God the Father, His only Son, Jesus Christ who was sent to die for me.
I believe He rose again and He sits at the right hand of Magesty making intercession for me.
I believe I have redemption through His blood and forgiveness of sins.
I believe in the Holy Spirit That guides me and leads me into the Truth.
I believe in worshiping my Lord and King in Spirit and in Truth. THE WHOLE TRUTH!
I believe in the lordship of Jesus Christ the true Mesiah and soon coming King!
I believe in the bible to be the Word of God! The whole bible!
I DON'T believe in keeping pagan days just because someone decided to attach the name of Jesus to it.
I gave up my old ways and my traditions in exchange for the excellency of His knowledge. I am taking my cross and follow Him. I want to please Him what ever it takes. And if it is not in His Word to observe Christmas, than I don't want ot have nothing to do with it.
I believe that I am made to worship Him as He dictated me to worship Him. Not any way that I think is right to worship Him.
I died to the world and the world is dead to me. I don't desire anything from this world. I don't want a bigger car, or a bigger house, or more money. I want just enough not to be tempted to steal, and not too much that I forget about Him.
I am happy and content with what I have.
If it is ANYTHING that will stay in the way of Him telling me..Well done my good and faithful servant, I WILL GET RID OF IT.!!!
If He did not say to do it, I won't do it.
I rather do what He told me to and stop wasting my money and energy on something that is not in the Word. Why take a chance?
May God bless you!
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 12:29:18 PM
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Corne
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Dear Corne,
Nobody is judging!!
i am just simply saying to consider.
The first scripture that you listed refers to the jewish holidays. "..they are a shadow of the things to come." A shadow is something that is cast on the earth when the light strikes it. Christmas is not a shadow of the things to come by no way shape or form.
Pentecost is a shadow, Feast of the Tabernacles is a shadow but not Christmas.
Nobody is judging nobody.
Is is true that you have liberty in Christ, and you are free to do as you please, because ultimatelly you alone answer to the Lord as we all will.
All I am saying is CONSIDER!!
Love in Christ
Do we have liberty in Christ to sin? NO. So don't worry about what believers are doing with their liberty. Sin you can worry about.
Note: Feast of the tabernacles is a shadow of Christ. Christ's arrival on earth is so bright there are no shadows remaining for the believer. We contain the Light of the world. We treasure the history of the shadows of Christ as the esteeemed Word of God, but we need not hold them up in order to recognize Christ when He comes.
Scripture says if we observe a day as unto the the Lord it is worship.
Another thing, what is wrong with our culture throwing a party every December? Our secular culture doesn't even include false gods in Christmas. We could list all of the false religions and what they do in December, but what is the point of that? Believers are obligated to worship God and God alone. That is what they are doing. Culture is throwing a secular party, if no sin is involved, and no false gods, what is the sin in that for us participating?
< Message edited by Corne -- 11/4/2009 12:39:00 PM >
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 12:37:17 PM
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Eutychus
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Incarnation simply means that God the Son took on flesh and blood. It has nothing in common with reincarnation.
And neither do I nor any believer I know keep pagan days. I also died to the world and, as a result, I am not intimidated into segmenting my days into holy days and pagan days. God is Sovereign and the only true & living God.
And I believe in what the Lord said, "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 2:24:51 PM
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And if it is not in His Word to observe Christmas, than I don't want ot have nothing to do with it.
Do you only do things that are specifically mentioned in Scripture?
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 2:52:09 PM
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Hi Harvie, be careful. In honor of Peace on Earth Good Will To Men, we are having an arguement.
Hi Abiyah, I am with you in that sometimes this celebration becomes more of an assault. I get tired of the Christmas music before December is halfway done.
Mr. Fribble, looks like we need to pull this old chestnut out of the fire: If the scriptures don't tell you to use a computer what are you doing on these forums?".
(returning to lurker mode)
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RE: Christmas only for turkeys? - 11/4/2009 3:00:50 PM
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rcjames
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It is to close to REincarnation.
In regards to the word incarnation you posted the above.
You are only about 180 degrees off.
Thanks
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