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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/11/2009 10:50:57 PM
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SonicStudent
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Thanks tsnody2001,
I saw where you were going don't worry.
Hi to you too David 
I certainly wouldn't be so bold as to not consider Obama being one of the ten. Yet I just have a real feeling that his office as president, or any other nations president or prime-minister etc is just too temporal. I really feel that the ten will have far more longevity than a man that will serve a term and then could be essentially of no further power or influence.
Knowing that there have been certain banking families and certain royal families and powers in place that have for a very long time, served to be the real power and driving force behind global interests and a massive degree of power over policies put in place, regardless to who is president, or which party holds the seats of power at a given time.
These same financiers, bankers, entrepreneurs, oil Barron's control the sway of power across much of the globe. The same faces pop up again and again whenever you look into global manipulation. They seem to hang out at the same parties, Bilderburg, G20, Freemasons, Illuminati etc etc. they meet in secret with presidents, and world leaders. They are the architects of the global push.
They were the names behind the American revolution, the great depression and many other crashes and conflicts. They were there, in control when the world was busy pondering whether or not Bush was the AC, or whether Prince Charles was, or Gorbachev. All of whom have played their part, and at times openly called for a World Order or pushed for world environmental cooperation's. Yet while they've come and gone, we look into who was talking behind them, and it's always these families and power men. Yet looking at the Bush's or Obama etc to see if they might be the Anti-Christ, is a lot like being impressed at the fruit on the tree, and not remembering that it's the tree itself that produced it. The fruit will be dead and gone come Autumn, but the tree is there, year after year. That's what these elite globalists have been like.
The Presidents are hear one moment, and dead and gone pretty soon after, yet the cry and manipulation has gone on long before Obama, and long before Bush before him.
For close on a hundred years now, the same families have pushed the global order envelope, manipulated the markets, deliberately causing crashes etc, and forced policies that go through or by-pass congress. The Rockefeller's, Rothschild's and others that stand behind, yet above what we see, those are the ones who I and many others believe to be the real power, and my eye is on those globalist extremists that love power above human life. Obama could well be one of the ten, but I think he's merely got a job to do, like a soccer manager who buys a new player to win the interests of the club, eventually the player will go, yet the club and even the manager will still be there, and next season, they'll replace that player with a new boy with just the skills they need.
We'll see pretty soon I don't wonder.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/11/2009 11:24:49 PM
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Quote:SonicStudent
>>...Obama may well be charismatic, a great talker and that fits the bill in lots of ways, but not nearly charismatic or popular enough to be AC... <<
To All
The Antichrist´s Empire will be a divided kingdom, btw it will be an ephemeral kingdom with two distincts periods of 42 months or 1,260 days. So, the kingdom of Antichrist will be governed by a Gentile man in its first períod, the intention of him is to sit on a throne in Jerusalem, it because the target of the Devil is Jerusalem. What Satan intends is to establish a central government in Jerusalem - Israel.
For the Devil the city of Jerusalem is much more important than the Vatican city, where is sat the Beast that is worshipped by the idolater peoples in whole earth, that is the Pope. BTW, if there is a place in which the Pope would like to put his throne that place is Jerusalem and the Devil
may do that very soon. Such fact, such new, would go to attract multitudes and multitudes around him. But this happening would only be possible with a treatment with the "messiah" of the Jews (an impostor)which must appear sooner among them (John 5:v.43). Then we all will see TWO BEASTS working and exercizing their powers in the earth.
In the treatment between the two beasts will be defined two periods of universal kingdom, and the ruler of the first period will be the Pope, he will have recognition of the nations for that inclusive total support of the false messiah which will rule the kingdom in the second period that will be of 42 months or 1,260 days.
The next coming of Jesus will happen exactly in the second períod of the Antichrist´s kingdom, but as said the Apostle Paul: "To you who are troubled rest with us, when the LORD Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that not know GOD, and that obey not the gospel of our LORD Jesus Christ, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the LORD, and from the glory of His power." (2Thes.1:v.7to9)
About his time, remember that the prophet Daniel warned or even comfort us with the follow words: "Blessed is the one who waits and attains to the 1,335 days” (seventy five days after 1,260 days) , BUT WHY 1,335 DAYS? There is an important motive for that.
SonicStudent sayd above: “Obama may well be charismatic, a great talker and that fits the bill in lots of ways, but not nearly charismatic or popular enough to be AC…” ; Yes, the Pope is much more popular than Obama or any other political leader, and through the Roman Catholic Church which rides on him, that Beast incarnate a great power over the world, and the false messiah will consider that certainly.
The second Beast that will appear ahead - the false messiah - he is like a lamb but speak as a dragon. In his universal government during the second period of 1,260 days he will exercise all the power of the first Beast (the Pope) before him, and will cause the earth and them which dwell tehrein to worship the first Beast (the Pope), and he will do great signs and wonders in the sight of men, and will deceive them that dwell on the earth, by the means of miracles which he have POWER to do in the sight of the first Beast.
Again: "Blessed is the one who waits and attains to the 1,335 days”
Be ready and look up.
In Christ Jesus, KING of the kings and LORD of the lords
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/16/2009 12:15:40 PM
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I have thought the beast is Europe for it did literally rise of out the sea as a land mass, also with its name and origin or Europa, a woman who rode a beast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Europa.jpg
If I understand right this is Europe, it can't be America.
The Iron Legs are the division of Rome into 2 divisions of East and West.
5 on the East and 5 on the West
Germany as its main power,and the vatican rising again as a binding religious agent for the 10, the pope has called for a ONE WORLD POLITICAL AUTHORITY, and I bet whoever gets this "authority" will call for ONE WORLD RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY to be set up.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/education/1375
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/16/2009 2:41:00 PM
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Colossus…to my understanding the beast is a real person that comes out of the sea (secular world of humanity). The beast could also be a governmental system coming out of the sea but I tend to think the real beast will be the leader of this system. Babylon will be the secular world in general (those without God).
Oseas...I have to agree with you regarding Jerusalem...this is where all the action takes place. The blunt of the Revelation occurs in the Middle East with Jerusalem being the focal point focal.
Just my opinion…
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/16/2009 5:41:16 PM
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Yes I agree with you Bob, this 10 Nation Dictatorship will have 1 leader that is responsible for the actions of the 10 nation superpower.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/16/2009 7:22:50 PM
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Colossus…to my understanding the beast is a real person that comes out of the sea (secular world of humanity). The beast could also be a governmental system coming out of the sea but I tend to think the real beast will be the leader of this system. Babylon will be the secular world in general (those without God).
Oseas...I have to agree with you regarding Jerusalem...this is where all the action takes place. The blunt of the Revelation occurs in the Middle East with Jerusalem being the focal point focal.
Just my opinion…
Bob
Hi Bob, and colossus,
I agree here with this statement. The beast is clearly shown here as a global dictatorship rising out of the sea of the current world system, comprising of 10 leaders, proberbly given different regions of the globe to govern, but who (eventually at least) are under the authority of the AC.
I do believe that the majority of prophetic occurrences in Revelation and Daniel, clearly happens in and around Jerusalem, and because God's face at this time turns back to his people Israel, this is why it is so. Also, because whether we are talking about God, Satan, Jew, Christian, Muslim or Pagan, it has 'always' been about Israel!
However, this does not mean that there will be any less activity throughout the nations, as God reaches out to the lost during the rule of these tyrants, and then after the Abomination of desolation, He judges the nations that refused to believe the love of the truth that they might be saved. It's clear in Revelation that not only will the dragon make war with the saints and overcome them, but that the beasts destruction and death runs across the globe. Then it is also clear that the bowls etc that are poured out, are done so on the nations of all peoples.
So yes, all the important stuff that ties everything up and re-unites the Jews with their God and saviour is focused on in Revelation, but also, we see God dealing with the Gentile nations too, as the angels go out one last time with the eternal gospel, and then also we see judgement on the nations. Sorry to be a kill joy LOL
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/16/2009 7:38:19 PM
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Anti Christs have been around for a long time. This by its very meaning go against the teachings of Jesus, and teach a counterfeit gospel, different than the real word of God. This Anti Christ system and individuals will control the beast entirely in the end time..See Revelation..
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/16/2009 7:48:08 PM
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Sorry, could you explain that, you lost me? Can you rephrase this for me and explain yourself, as what you've said is rather big.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/17/2009 9:28:10 PM
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TESTING THE FAITH
Did Jesus actually reveal name of the 'antichrist'?
Viral video makes Hebrew word connection to latest White House occupant
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Posted: July 30, 2009
9:50 pm Eastern
By Joe Kovacs
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
For centuries, many have wondered about the identity of a biblical leader who will do Satan the devil's bidding, trying to thwart the plans of Jesus Christ shortly before His prophesied return to Earth.
That character has come to be known as "the antichrist," even though the Bible never uses that word to describe any single person.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/17/2009 10:08:58 PM
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/17/2009 10:24:49 PM
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Anti Christs have been around for a long time. This by its very meaning go against the teachings of Jesus, and teach a counterfeit gospel, different than the real word of God. This Anti Christ system and individuals will control the beast entirely in the end time..See Revelation..
No where not once is 'antichrist' mentioned in The Revelation.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/17/2009 10:30:37 PM
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Biblical definition of antichrist. Any other definition is from mans ideas of what they believe scripture to be saying..
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/17/2009 10:47:31 PM
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How about man of sin Reba?
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/17/2009 11:38:59 PM
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If you can't say anything nice about someone don't say anything at all.
Sing it instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRRsfCD1Bh0
Anyways, I think he's to evil to be Antichrist.
Seriously though, Antichrist was to rise from the ten divisions of the Pagan Roman empire which collapsed 476 A.D. and was then divided into ten. Three of those ten were destroyed as it was said the Antichrist would destroy them. Obviously, whoever did that had to be Antichrist. It's to late in history and too many of the prophecies that could never be repeated have been fulfilled for anyone today to become the Antichrist.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/17/2009 11:51:15 PM
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HistoricProtestant...so you don't think the history of the world will repeat it's self? What of Antiochus Epiphanes; was he not an Antichrist or man of sin...what ever you want to call him. His actions fulfilled all of the antics of Paul's man of sin of 2 Thess 2. No I think Antiochus was a foreshadowing of the finial man of sin that will appear in the last days. 
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/18/2009 8:48:04 AM
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ORIGINAL: DAWNTEACH
TESTING THE FAITH
Did Jesus actually reveal name of the 'antichrist'?
Viral video makes Hebrew word connection to latest White House occupant
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Posted: July 30, 2009
9:50 pm Eastern
By Joe Kovacs
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
For centuries, many have wondered about the identity of a biblical leader who will do Satan the devil's bidding, trying to thwart the plans of Jesus Christ shortly before His prophesied return to Earth.
That character has come to be known as "the antichrist," even though the Bible never uses that word to describe any single person.
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here is the link, my artical was edited. didnt realize I couldn't post full articals..
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105527
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/18/2009 9:42:11 AM
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Colossus…to my understanding the beast is a real person that comes out of the sea (secular world of humanity). The beast could also be a governmental system coming out of the sea but I tend to think the real beast will be the leader of this system. Babylon will be the secular world in general (those without God).
Oseas...I have to agree with you regarding Jerusalem...this is where all the action takes place. The blunt of the Revelation occurs in the Middle East with Jerusalem being the focal point focal.
Just my opinion…
Bob
I noticed, you did not use the term antichrist, in the above post. 
Yup there is a 'man of sin' . I just get bugged to the edge when folks think it is OK to change Gods Word. Folks talk about antichrist build whole lines of dogma, puting Thee Antichrist in Revelation the scriptures don't. Just one of those buggy things. .. Slipping a word in here and a word in there that are not scriptural.
We are to watch for the Master of the house......Mark 13
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/18/2009 12:18:55 PM
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Interesting. It seems that every time I mentally relegate PBHO to the 'Special Teams,' something pops up to put him back on the 'Starting Line-up.' Who would-a-thought that the Hebrew has a depth of understanding that only comes to life, as the Era of Grace closes the Gate. (and I mean that with the highest acclaim, and struck with Awe beyond description.)
I can add only one thing to my chatter: Come Soon, Lord Jesus, Come Soon.
In Messiah/God, and in Wondrous Fear of His Perfection. Arley (The ring around Saturn seems to be 'cut.')
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/18/2009 12:49:59 PM
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Yup there is a 'man of sin' . I just get bugged to the edge when folks think it is OK to change Gods Word. Folks talk about antichrist build whole lines of dogma, puting Thee Antichrist in Revelation the scriptures don't. Just one of those buggy things. .. Slipping a word in here and a word in there that are not scriptural.
Hi Reba...
Well of course he will be an Antichrist but we agree the Bible does not refer to him in this way.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/18/2009 2:00:07 PM
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There may be a bit more to the Hebrew happenstance than a cursory look might indicate. Try a word-search for 'lightning, and heights & high places.' I used KJV and KJC for my comparative word work, and believe there are some differences in the connoting of the word and the contextualization.
In a case like this, everyone should do their own determination as to how many associations they see, if any.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/18/2009 2:56:32 PM
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He was very similar but he doesn't fit the bill entirely. And the Antichrist was to come out of the THEN Roman Empire after the ten part division. If we allow for a future Antichrist then we can also allow for a future Christ. There can be a shadowing of prophecy but when there is a perfect fulfillment of all prophecy it won't happen a second time. It's done.
Yes...well you are welcome to your view, it isn't mine. This is not the thread to continue this discussion.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/18/2009 3:46:06 PM
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I haven't read the thread yet, but thought I'd add two cents to the OP.
I don't believe he is THE antichrist, but that he is ONE OF the antichrist.
anti-christ = one who opposes Christ.
He fits that description.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/18/2009 9:28:06 PM
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I haven't read the thread yet, but thought I'd add two cents to the OP.
I don't believe he is THE antichrist, but that he is ONE OF the antichrist.
anti-christ = one who opposes Christ.
He fits that description.
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Biblical definition of antichrist. Any other definition is from mans ideas of what they believe scripture to be saying..
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 8/21/2009 9:24:18 PM
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Colossus…to my understanding the beast is a real person that comes out of the sea (secular world of humanity). The beast could also be a governmental system coming out of the sea but I tend to think the real beast will be the leader of this system. Babylon will be the secular world in general (those without God).
Oseas...I have to agree with you regarding Jerusalem...this is where all the action takes place. The blunt of the Revelation occurs in the Middle East with Jerusalem being the focal point focal.
Just my opinion…
Bob
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It is important to understand that we are living in the last days and this time is the time of Apocalypse.
All things revealed in the book of Revelation (Apocalypse) are prophecies for fulfilling in this exact time of the end, notice that the Apostle John was caught in Spirit to this end time and was showed to him all things which must happen now, day after day.
You said that "will have 1 leader", it is true but remember that there will be two periods of 42 months or 1,260 days, so there will be 1 leader for each period alternately.
Furthermore, notice that the power of the ten kings are not isolated but they are linked with the power of the seven heads.
What does the angel of the LORD revealed to John and to us too.
May the LORD God give us wisdom and understanding in that that was revealed by the angel of the LORD.
Rev. 17:v.7to18
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the MYSTERY of the WOMAN, and of the BEAST that carrieth HER, which hath the SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS. (Seven heads symbolize the power which will govern the first period of 1,260 days or 42 months)
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and THEY THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The SEVEN HEADS are SEVEN MOUNTAINS (HILLS), on which the WOMAN sitteth. (WOMAN here symbolizes a right Church I assume to be the Roman Catholic Church and the seven mountains/hills I assume to be the seven hills of Rome)
10 And there are SEVEN KINGS: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (The seven kings (kings figuratively/ an allegory) may be Pauls' Pope, probably the last Pope will assume the name of Paul VII)
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the TEN HORNS which thou sawest are TEN KINGS, which have received no kingdom as yet; but RECEIVE POWER AS KINGS one hour (For a short time - 1,260 days) with the BEAST. (The Beast (the Pope) who carries the WOMAN - the RCC)
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY that ARE WITH HIM are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The WATERS which thou sawest, where the WHORE (the RCC) sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. (The RCC is spread in whole earth)
16 And the TEN HORNS which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the WHORE (this will happen in the second period of 1,260 days or 42 months), and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. (HERE IS THE DESTRUCTION OF THE RCC)
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, UNTIL THE WORDS OF GOD SHALL BE FULFILLED. (UNTIL THE END OF THE SECOND PERIOD OF 1,260 DAYS)
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that GREAt CITY, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (In this moment the city of Vatican has great influence over the kings of the earth, and it will be increased when the first period of 1,260 days be established on earth). The other city is JERUSALEM which has also great influence over the kings of the earth, and also will be increased when the second period be governed by the Beast who will come out of the earth (Rev. 13:v.11to18).
Be awake and keep the prophecy of the prophet Daniel where he said:
BLESSED IS HE THAT WAITETH, AND COMETH TO THE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND FIVE AND THIRTY DAYS. (Daniel 12:v.12)
Amen!
In Christ Jesus, KING of the kings and LORD of the lords
Oseas
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