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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 9/9/2009 12:26:15 AM
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Front porch, Shalom, and welcome.
I am one of those who feels that there is a possibility that PBHO may be of the AC ilk. I have those concerns, primarily because of the charismatic way he wowed the crowd, has little to no experience in business, or public service, coupled with the Prophetic season we may well be entering. Taking into consideration, all the factors, and possibilities, PBHO is one of the 'Prime' candidates for filling that description. Only time will tell, and only a fool would not keep an eye on the presidency, for any number of other reasons, as well as this possibility.
We have Christian members here filling the political spectrum of conservatism through liberalism, not too many 'very' liberal, and hopefully not too many ultra conservative. Since every person has a prospective slightly differing from the others, and the season we may well be entering, IMO this a good place to discuss, and vent, if for no other reason than to promote deeper study of God's word. But then, I've said enough.
Welcome, and hope to discuss a number of subject with you.
In Messiah, His Blessing, and Love. Arley
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 9/9/2009 12:31:15 AM
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Yes Obama could be the Antichrist. He is exhibiting more closely than any other world leader I have ever seen the specific attributes of the prophecied Antichrist. However, there are many many antichrist like people at work in our world today and they are networking at an ever faster rate. The internet and other networking technology are facilitating this. Before his first term is out we will know about Obama one way or the other.
God bless.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 9/9/2009 12:41:28 AM
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If I am correct, you may be speaking absolute fact, my friend. If I am correct in deductulating God's word, Mid-Trib may well be the Spring Feasts, 2013.
We could be very close to something, as Hal would say: 'Something Wonderful is about to happen.' I guess we will see.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 9/9/2009 12:58:57 AM
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How you doin' Arley? You know when I think of post-trib I don't get frightened that much any more, honestly. The Lord is a Mighty God above all else, and the earth is the Lord's and fulness thereof. Whatever we will face in the years ahead I know that the remant who still holds fast will be a strength to each and that the lord would not let anything happen but that it work for the good of those who love Him.
The Lord keep you close friend. See you soon.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/24/2009 11:13:34 PM
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I do not know if obami is the Anti-Christ or not (only God knows), but I do know that at no other time in history has so much of prophecy concerning the Anti-Christ been put into play. I do know that America must fall for the Anti-Christ to come into full power ... and obami IS bringing that into focus - the fall of America seems to be his only focus! Also before the Anti-Christ can drop his cloak of mystery and step forward, people must become apathetic in faith and perverse in behavior, looking to a man-"god" as their hope of salvation (we see that being played out on the global center stage today in the hypnotic worship of obami: plus he has never publically denied the claims that he is hailed as messiah, he only smiles and asks "who so you think I am"? This evil man is using Christ's very words to deceive all of mankind!), we do know that plagues, food shortages, water shortages, earthquakes, floods, financial collapse ... as so forth will herald the Anti-Christ stepping forward to "save the world" - these are obami’s OWN words: "We will save the world". If obami is not the Anti-Christ, he's doing a real good imitation of it! MPO
As far as I know from doing historical research, only one other man has ever been able to pick up so much adoring speed with his hypnotizing rhetoric: ADUOLF HITLER! And Scripture tells us that the Anti-Christ will be much, much worse than anything mankind has experienced before.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/24/2009 11:21:45 PM
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these are obami’s OWN words: "We will save the world".
Would you mind providing a source for that quote? Thanks.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/24/2009 11:39:16 PM
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in the bible a quote he Dragon gave the beast his throne and great authority, men worshipped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast and the they also worshiped the beast and said...who is like the beast? who can make war against him?" the dragon could be obama and when the anti christ rises for power obama could hand over his power for he says a time for change is near and its happening... what I believe might happen is any person with a citizenship may be a president or he might be able to make forign people president and Obama will hand his power to the anti-christ
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/25/2009 12:02:31 AM
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I personally don't feel that Obama is the Antichrist, BUT I believe he is the stepping stone to it... He came from nowhere..... It's like he was groomed for this position and people just flock around him.... Maybe something hypnotic or such... Many Christians lost their perspective when it came to voting this last time... I know many personally that voted for him, and I just can't fathom WHY.... It is my personal feelings that after his "job" is over--he will be eliminated in some manner...(maybe just lost of power) NOW I am just expressing an opinion here, not any kind of knowledge about that... We all better get prayed up, packed up and ready to move any moment--in the twinkling of an eye!!! Jesus is coming back and it could be any day now...
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/25/2009 12:13:14 AM
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ORIGINAL: sureclarity
I do not know if obami is the Anti-Christ or not (only God knows), but I do know that at no other time in history has so much of prophecy concerning the Anti-Christ been put into play. I do know that America must fall for the Anti-Christ to come into full power ... and obami IS bringing that into focus - the fall of America seems to be his only focus! Also before the Anti-Christ can drop his cloak of mystery and step forward, people must become apathetic in faith and perverse in behavior, looking to a man-"god" as their hope of salvation (we see that being played out on the global center stage today in the hypnotic worship of obami: plus he has never publically denied the claims that he is hailed as messiah, he only smiles and asks "who so you think I am"? This evil man is using Christ's very words to deceive all of mankind!), we do know that plagues, food shortages, water shortages, earthquakes, floods, financial collapse ... as so forth will herald the Anti-Christ stepping forward to "save the world" - these are obami’s OWN words: "We will save the world". If obami is not the Anti-Christ, he's doing a real good imitation of it! MPO
As far as I know from doing historical research, only one other man has ever been able to pick up so much adoring speed with his hypnotizing rhetoric: ADUOLF HITLER! And Scripture tells us that the Anti-Christ will be much, much worse than anything mankind has experienced before.
Sureclarity, somehow I overlooked your post but I do agree with you... GOD help us, the one world money is closing in more and more every day.. People better wise up, and listen up and we best better be stoirng and hiding the WORD of GOD in our hearts, because our Bibles could soon be taken from us...
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/25/2009 3:42:32 AM
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save the world" - these are obami?s OWN words: "We will save the world correction, his slogan is time for change...but i believe he said that too, in anycase he is doing everything wrong and hes still looked up 2, like for example he said he would take the troops outa iraq and now he keeps them in there and hes looked up 2, its said in the bible that wars will happen the next step is ww3 and he will still be looked up 2 so many ppl look up 2 him and whats guna happen he will give up his power to the anti christ if he isnt him, i believe hes the dragon the bible speaks of, my quote is above a few ppl (its from bible) im glad no one is taking offense you guys rock ^^
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/25/2009 2:11:15 PM
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its said in the bible that wars will happen the next step is ww3
What about WWI and WWII? Why didn't Jesus come back then? Why is WWIII going to be the war?
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/26/2009 5:38:42 PM
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quote:
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these are obami’s OWN words: "We will save the world".
Would you mind providing a source for that quote? Thanks.
Obami said these very words while televised during the campaign. All references to these words have been removed by the Obami Clean-up Squad: no doubt another arm of the Black panthers he's so fond of surrounding himself with. However, anyone (with the exception of the obots) watching the campaign knows that these words were spoken ... and they were on YouTube too UNTIL RECENTLY. Anything that sheds a question on this presidency is being erased and leaving no trails behind, so that "proof" is not found and doubts cast about concerning anything negative about obami.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/26/2009 5:48:42 PM
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What about WWI and WWII? Why didn't Jesus come back then? Why is WWIII going to be the war?
Hitler was evil, but he was just a forerunner of the ultimate EVIL INCARNATE. Scriptural prophecy says that in the End Days, people will see evil upon the earth that has never been seen before. That’s pretty bad! Can you imagine anything worse than Hitler and his regime? And yet, we are told that it will be so. So, Yeshua would NOT have come before NOW. And WWIII will be the war to end all wars. Even newscasters watch what is happening globally and refer to WWIII as Armageddon – and a foregone conclusion. Everyone knows that the next World War will be the last. And it’s gearing up to that phase. Obami promised peace – “no more nuclear war”. That’s unrealistic: every country on the face of the earth has nuclear warheads or knows how to build one – as long as America has one, so will these other countries. Someone will hit the panic button … and the war will be on. We know that hatred towards Israel will be the trigger. And we also know where obami’s love and loyalties lie. Not with America and certainly not with Israel. He BOWED to the SAUDI PRINCE!
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/26/2009 7:32:23 PM
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i understand what your saying, all i know is slowly america is dieing our freedom will soon be stripped maybe with in the next 40 years man ill be 60 this world might end, i just hope i am right with god now for all the mistakes ive done in my past
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/26/2009 7:44:40 PM
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MrFribbles
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Knight_of_God,
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the reason is because the time of tribulation wasnt there, once the war starts we will be attacked for our belifs and not following under the conformity of the anti christ
But how do you know that WWIII will signal the start of the tribulation? Where, in Scripture, is WWIII mentioned?
sureclarity,
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Can you imagine anything worse than Hitler and his regime?
Sure. His name was Stalin.
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So, Yeshua would NOT have come before NOW. And WWIII will be the war to end all wars
Why not WWIV? Or WWV? Or some other large conflict that doesn't get numbered? Why WWIII specifically?
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Even newscasters watch what is happening globally and refer to WWIII as Armageddon
I try not to base my view of reality on what newscasters say. They get paid more when more people watch them, and more people watch them when they are afraid. So, they use hyperbole to get people scared. Newscasters saying "armageddon" does not make it so. Also - Amrageddon is a place, not an event.
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Everyone knows that the next World War will be the last.
Not so. I don't. And frankly, neither do you, unless you claim to see the future.
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every country on the face of the earth has nuclear warheads or knows how to build one
This is entirely unrealistic. There are many countries without nukes. If you do not literally mean "every," please do not say "every."
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He BOWED to the SAUDI PRINCE!
And? You have to understand culture and context. In many countries, bowing is a form of greeting, not a form of submission. It's not like he got on his knees and kissed the man's ring or anything.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/26/2009 10:03:53 PM
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MrFribbles: [edited by moderator - personal attacks and unwelcome spiritual judgment] I have learned what I KNOW by seeking God and listening to HIM - the news broadcasters are only confirming what God has already revealed. It behooves us to understand what is happening in our world concerning the ending of it.
These are the FACTS:
1) Stalin was not more evil that Hitler; anyone who has read History knows that - they are equal in wickedness, but they were not evil incarnate. No where in history were they portrayed as charismatic enough to be considered the Messiah. They did not do miraculous things, nor speak as hypnotically. They were mere mortal bullies who swayed selfish people of the same ilk.
Scripture tells us that the AntiChrist will come on the scene during great world upheaval, and into power heralding peace; he will promise to save the world. He will be idolized and worshipped. He will deceive the unwise and attempt even to steal the souls of the elect. Obami fits ALL the criteria. People think Evil incarnate looks evil, but God clearly tells us it is the smiling face of the Arch Deceiver, as well as the sneaky and diabolical actions that smiling face hides. Smiling faces lie …
2) One can KNOW which war will be the last simply be READING SCRIPTURE CONCERNING PROPOHECY. It is all laid out in plain language: the end is at the threshold, and there is no argument about the timeframe among the watchful. There is nothing to fear, we should be rejoicing! Soon, and very soon we will see OUR KING!
3) Scripture tells us (those looking forward to the EVENT ARMEGEDDON (instead of arguing it's reality) that the war to end all wars - WWIII - will happen a generation after Israel has been established as a Nation, and the Temple is built: Israel HAS been established, the generation HAS NOT passed, and the Temple IS ready to be rebuilt (all the temple artifacts have been ready to be placed inside the New Temple for at least a decade and the cornerstone has been laid) and WWIII (War Armageddon) will TAKE PLACE in the place known as Armageddon.
So, in ending my discourse with you MrFribble, I have this to say: If you will go back and actually read my earlier post instead of nitpicking it to pieces in anger (or fear), you will see that I said "every country on the face of the earth has nuclear warheads or knows how to build one" - this is not unrealistic, this is a fact. As to Middle Eastern culture: kissing a ruler’s hand is to pay homage (aka worship). The Saudi prince is not a mere civilian, he is the Supreme Ruler. Obami should not have bowed to him, let alone kiss his hand! If you do not understand this simple human point, it is no wonder you cannot understand the simple points of God's revelations. I freely admit that I am not God, but I do not need to be a seer either to understand what He has clearly laid forth for those that belong to Him! For US there is no confusion or fear when we see what is unfolding around us. We rejoice and tell everyone "Look up: for our King is returning!" [edited by moderator - personal attack & unwelcome judgment]
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/26/2009 10:27:58 PM
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[edited by moderator - responding to portion of another post that was deleted]
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Scripture tells us that the AntiChrist will....
Correction - your interpretation of Scripture tells you that. There are many views on biblical end-times prophecy, and all of them have well-respected evidence to back them up. To claim your view is the view, excluding the possibility of all others, is pride.
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One can KNOW which war will be the last simply be READING SCRIPTURE CONCERNING PROPOHECY.
Then kindly provide the Scripture that says, in plain language, that WWIII will be the last great war.
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If you will go back and actually read my earlier post instead of nitpicking it to pieces in anger (or fear)
I had neither.
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this is not unrealistic, this is a fact.
It is unrealistic. There are many countries, especially countries in South America, Africa and Asia, that simply do not have the level of sophistication in their civil structure to build nukes, even if they knew how to build them. It's really not as simple as movies and TV make it out to be.
Since you made the claim, back it up.
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kissing a ruler’s hand is to pay homage (aka worship).
It didn't look to me as though Obama kissed his hand. It looked like he shook his hand, and bowed. Again, bowing does not always mean submission or worship. In many cultures, it is merely a sign of greeting and respect.
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For US there is no confusion or fear when we see what is unfolding around us. We rejoice and tell everyone "Look up: for our King is returning!"
People have been doing just that for the past 2,000 years. What makes you different?
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I am sorry that you are so fearful
I am not afraid.
Oh, I had another question - why do you call Obama Obami?
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/26/2009 11:20:50 PM
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mrfribbles okay the answer to your question why ww3 is cause the seven seals are being broken as we speak, once there all broken well you know revelations
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/27/2009 6:58:05 AM
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Original: lhtylp
Just to add what I know about the Lord's coming, no one in the world shall know the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ! He could come like a thief, according to the Words and His returning is in God's time frame!
If you go back and read Luke 12: 35-48, you will read that the LORD come as a thief in the night to those who are not watching and doing the will of the Father. For those who are watching and doing the will of the Father will not be caught off guard.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/27/2009 8:06:27 AM
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i understand what your saying, all i know is slowly america is dieing our freedom will soon be stripped maybe with in the next 40 years man ill be 60 this world might end, i just hope i am right with god now for all the mistakes ive done in my past
Yes, America will have her freedoms stripped away; and a LOT SOONER than 40 years - If you love the Lord and have repented of your past actions (living for God now), then there is nothing to fear. Your mistakes have been wiped clean by the blood of Yeshua and God sees you as perfect in Salvation. The past has no hold on the child of God :-) Praise God!
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/27/2009 8:16:52 AM
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Original: lhtylp
Just to add what I know about the Lord's coming, no one in the world shall know the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ! He could come like a thief, according to the Words and His returning is in God's time frame!
Yeshua said that "when the fig tree blossoms, you will know the time is near; I am at the door. Truly I speak; this age shall not come to an end before all these things shall have come to pass."
The fig tree has blossomed.
The mystery has been revealed.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 10/27/2009 9:57:30 PM
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I don't want to be off thread, however, as I go through your blog, I must say, good job, sureclarity, for spreading the good and true image of our Lord - Jesus and our Father! It's really inspiring and I'm truly blessed!
Thank you :-) God has richly blessed me. We are to be about the Lord's work ... even when others try to shut us up ... God is on the move, but so is the enemy and he walks among us. Walk in the Spirit and be discerning.
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