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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/2/2009 5:32:51 PM
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It is really too simple and we don't see who and what it is because we want to say it is anyone else but the true haters of Christian and Jews and they are Islamic's they are training children before they can walk to hate and kill what other religons puts guns in the hands of children and ask them to die in the name of Ali, and teaches it is a wonderful thing to die for it that they will be rewarded. Their Flag is symolism for 666 in Arabic and this is on their fight arms and head bands.
Who and what is truly anti christian and anti jewish. Who denies the christian bible and the jewish faith, Islamics is the only religion who hates and the arm bands and head bands are the marks the bible speaks about. You don't buy or sell there without them. Who could be or is anymore anti-christian and do not and will not display anything but hate for both faiths who believe in Christ and how do they deal with anyone who is not holding to their faith of dening Christ. Death.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/2/2009 5:52:30 PM
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It is really too simple and we don't see who and what it is because we want to say it is anyone else but the true haters of Christian and Jews and they are Islamic's they are training children before they can walk to hate and kill what other religons puts guns in the hands of children and ask them to die in the name of Ali, and teaches it is a wonderful thing to die for it that they will be rewarded. Their Flag is symolism for 666 in Arabic and this is on their fight arms and head bands.
Who and what is truly anti christian and anti jewish. Who denies the christian bible and the jewish faith, Islamics is the only religion who hates and the arm bands and head bands are the marks the bible speaks about. You don't buy or sell there without them. Who could be or is anymore anti-christian and do not and will not display anything but hate for both faiths who believe in Christ and how do they deal with anyone who is not holding to their faith of dening Christ. Death.
Would you mind trying to back this stuff up with Scripture and/or other evidence. You've made some interesting accusations - specifically "their Flag is symbolism for 666", etc. - without backing them up in the least.
Also, (I mean no offense) could you use some punctuation, please? It is kind of hard to make sense of what you are saying. It gives me the impression of a ferret on crystal meth. Please, slow down and use some punctuation.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/2/2009 10:02:24 PM
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I don't think Obama is the A/C, but that is not saying he will not play a very large part in the whole thing though.
Very sorry about my grammar today, but I was in a hurry to get to work and wanted to post before I left. I promise to write better in the future.
This is just one of my many opinions, it is put out here for discussion and I will try, to the best of my ablity to back it up with scripture and links when I can.
2 Corinthians 4:3, "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:"
What is a Mark?
A Mark (seal, sign, token, frontlet) is placed upon the forehead or hands, either as a sign of a curse or as a sign of redemption.
Genesis 4:15: God places a mark on the covenant breaking Cain, so nobody would kill him.
Exodus 28:36-38: Priests of God wore a gold plate upon their forehead, symbolizing the redeemed man.
Exodus 13:9,16, Deuteronomy 6:6,8; 11:18: A mark upon the forehead and hand was a symbol of total obedience to God’s Law.
Solomon 8:6: A seal upon the heart and arm is symbolic of a love for someone.
Isaiah 49:16: God has graven His people on the palms of His hands as a sign that he would not forget them.
Ezekiel 9:4: A mark upon the forehead was indicative of their allegiance to the Lord in the midst of abomination.
Revelation 13:16-17: The Beast places a mark on the hand or forehead of his followers also. This mark is his name (which represents ones character).
Revelation 14:9-11; 16:2; 19:20: Those who receive the mark of the Beast (worship something other than God) will be tormented. Which means...
Revelation 9:4: Those who do not have the seal of God in their forehead will be tormented. The Beast’s mark is contrasted to God’s mark!
Revelation 20:4: Those who do not receive the Beasts’ mark will be the keepers of God's commandments and have the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 15:2: To keep the Word of God is to overcome and be victorious over the mark, or name, or character, of the Beast.
Revelation 3:12: The name of God will be written upon those who overcome.
Revelation 7:3; 14:1; 22:4: Where will the name of God be written? It will be sealed in their foreheads!
Revelation 19:13: What exactly is the name of God that’ll be written in their foreheads? It is The Word Of God! (See also John 1:1,14). In other words, Scripture, God's Word, will be in their hearts, minds, and souls!
God wants to seal his name, his character, his Law in us (Isaiah 8:16). God’s character is God’s Law, and is described in the Word of God. God’s Law will be written in our hearts and minds (foreheads), Hebrews 10:16, Ezekiel 11:19; 36:26.
here is a few links to check out.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm
http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/index.html
http://www.beastfromtheeast.org/Assyria.html
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/3/2009 7:35:23 AM
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Their Flag is symolism for 666 in Arabic and this is on their fight arms and head bands.
Who and what is truly anti christian and anti jewish. Who denies the christian bible and the jewish faith, Islamics is the only religion who hates and the arm bands and head bands are the marks the bible speaks about. You don't buy or sell there without them.
This is interesting: Could you tell us more about this (or email me privately if it's off topic?)? How long has this been going on? I'm pretty apprised of world events ... so this is a curious thing.
Obama himself made verbal reference to his muslim faith while being interviewed, and he is welcomed globally by muslim factions. It is wise to be aware of the changing landscape of America in regards to this shady president and practices of his faith ... if he is not the Antichrist, he is very near it.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/3/2009 4:05:05 PM
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Antichrist is anyone who denies that Jesus Christ is Divinity or denies that Jesus Christ of Biblical history has not come. This idea of limiting antichrist to one person [i.e. a particular person in history is without Biblical support. Because these facts we conclude that antichrist is [1] any person who denies the Biblical - historical Jesus Christ [i.e. God’s Divine son] in any age or [2] any group of any size consisting of a movement that denies the Biblical Jesus Christ and His Divinity
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/3/2009 5:12:59 PM
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Antichrist is anyone who denies that Jesus Christ is Divinity or denies that Jesus Christ of Biblical history has not come. This idea of limiting antichrist to one person [i.e. a particular person in history is without Biblical support. Because these facts we conclude that antichrist is [1] any person who denies the Biblical - historical Jesus Christ [i.e. God’s Divine son] in any age or [2] any group of any size consisting of a movement that denies the Biblical Jesus Christ and His Divinity
Are you saying then that everyone who does not believe in God or Yeshua – and does not accept the salvation of Yeshua is the Antichrist? That very broad brush is not Scriptural … Yeshua gave specific instructions on HOW we can tell the Antichrist is among us. I believe that time is here because the facts fit the timeframe given to us so long ago.
However, if you want to include ‘everyone who does not accept Yeshua' as being the Antichrist, I can think of at least one – or two - argumentive person(s) present who may fit the title … mystery solved  . MPO.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/3/2009 5:19:37 PM
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That very broad brush is not Scriptural … Yeshua gave specific instructions on HOW we can tell the Antichrist is among us.
Where did Jesus mention the word Antichrist?
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However, if you want to include ‘everyone’ who does not accept Yeshua as the Antichrist, I can think of at least one – or two - argumentive person(s) present who may fit the title
Are you referring to users on this forum - users who have participated in this thread?
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/3/2009 9:46:32 PM
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Are you saying then that everyone who does not believe in God or Yeshua – and does not accept the salvation of Yeshua is the Antichrist? That very broad brush is not Scriptural … Yeshua gave specific instructions on HOW we can tell the Antichrist is among us. I believe that time is here because the facts fit the timeframe given to us so long ago.
However, if you want to include ‘everyone who does not accept Yeshua' as being the Antichrist, I can think of at least one – or two - argumentive person(s) present who may fit the title … mystery solved . MPO.
(1 John 2:22) Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.
"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour" (1 John 2:18).
And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world" (1 John 4:3)
"For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist" (2 John 7)
It is also interesting to note the glaring differences between the premillennialist's description of the antichrist and the Bible's description.
(1) According to the Bible there were many antichrists, not just one.
(2) Those antichrists already existed in John's day, as opposed to being yet future to us.
(3) These antichrists were false teachers in the church, not political dictators.
(4) Anyone that denies that Jesus is the Christ, that He is the son of God, and/or that he came in the flesh can rightly be called "antichrist".
The English word Antichrist is taken from the Greek αντίχριστος antíkhristos, which literally means "instead of Christ".
Antichrist is therefore anyone who denies that Jesus Christ is Divinity or denies that Jesus Christ of Biblical history has not come. This idea of limiting antichrist to one person [i.e. a particular person in history is without Biblical support. Because these facts we conclude that antichrist is [1] any person who denies the Biblical - historical Jesus Christ [i.e. God’s Divine son] in any age or [2] any group of any size consisting of a movement that denies the Biblical Jesus Christ and His Divinity
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/3/2009 11:35:16 PM
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Again, I say that there are SPECIFIC SCRIPTURES that TELL us WHO – as in ONE – that IS the ANTICHRIST; no where do we read that “the Antichrist” will be many … that is a misconception and a tweak to bolster a certain belief Lucifer can also point to Scripture to 'prove' his claims, but he lies. Below are the Scriptural references to THE ONE ANTICHRIST that will herald the Beginning of the End:
Four prophets repeatedly refer to the Antichrist as the Assyrian: Isaiah, Ezekiel, Hosea and Malachi.
He will arise from a nation that was part of the old Assyrian Empire (Isa. 10).
He will come up from among the 10 nations of the Revised Roman Empire (Daniel 7:8)
He will come out of one of the four divisions of the old Grecian Empire - out of either Greece, Turkey, Syria or Egypt - (Daniel 8:9); and will arise in the latter time of their kingdom (Daniel 8:23).
He is the king of the north from Syria (Daniel 11:40). This fixes the Antichrist as rising from Syria, immediately north of Israel.
The 11th chapter of Daniel is a chapter of mostly fulfilled prophecy: verses 1-39 are fulfilled in history, while verses 40-45 shift to events at the time of the end. The recorded historical events can be easily deciphered with the help of a good study Bible. What is important to note here is that the Antichrist will not rise from Europe, where most western Bible prophecy teachers are looking for him. Finally, the Apostle John describes him as arising out of the seven Babylonian world kingdoms that have oppressed or will yet oppress Israel: He is the eighth and final world ruler to oppress Israel (Revelation 17:10-11).
A confederacy of 10 nations will be formed in the last of the last days inside the boundaries of the old Roman Empire. These 10 nations will make up the Revised Roman Empire, and shall become the seventh great world kingdom. In his rise to power, the Antichrist will uproot three of these kings or heads of state (Daniel 7:8, Daniel 7:20). After a short space of approximately 3 ½ years, the remaining kings shall give their power, kingdom and authority to the Antichrist, as he establishes the eighth and final world kingdom before the return of Jesus to reign over the earth: the Revived Grecian Empire. In summary, although the Antichrist will come out of the Revised Roman Empire, his origin must be from one of the four divisions of the old Grecian Empire—Greece, Turkey, Syria or Egypt—which Daniel 11 clearly shows to be Syria.
1. He is the little horn - Revived Greece? (Daniel 7:8, Daniel 7:20, Daniel 8:9)
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/4/2009 8:53:20 AM
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/4/2009 9:26:58 AM
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ORIGINAL: sureclarity
Again, I say that there are SPECIFIC SCRIPTURES that TELL us WHO – as in ONE – that IS the ANTICHRIST; no where do we read that “the Antichrist” will be many … that is a misconception and a tweak to bolster a certain belief Lucifer can also point to Scripture to 'prove' his claims, but he lies. Below are the Scriptural references to THE ONE ANTICHRIST that will herald the Beginning of the End:
Four prophets repeatedly refer to the Antichrist as the Assyrian: Isaiah, Ezekiel, Hosea and Malachi.
He will arise from a nation that was part of the old Assyrian Empire (Isa. 10).
He will come up from among the 10 nations of the Revised Roman Empire (Daniel 7:8)
He will come out of one of the four divisions of the old Grecian Empire - out of either Greece, Turkey, Syria or Egypt - (Daniel 8:9); and will arise in the latter time of their kingdom (Daniel 8:23).
He is the king of the north from Syria (Daniel 11:40). This fixes the Antichrist as rising from Syria, immediately north of Israel.
The 11th chapter of Daniel is a chapter of mostly fulfilled prophecy: verses 1-39 are fulfilled in history, while verses 40-45 shift to events at the time of the end. The recorded historical events can be easily deciphered with the help of a good study Bible. What is important to note here is that the Antichrist will not rise from Europe, where most western Bible prophecy teachers are looking for him. Finally, the Apostle John describes him as arising out of the seven Babylonian world kingdoms that have oppressed or will yet oppress Israel: He is the eighth and final world ruler to oppress Israel (Revelation 17:10-11).
A confederacy of 10 nations will be formed in the last of the last days inside the boundaries of the old Roman Empire. These 10 nations will make up the Revised Roman Empire, and shall become the seventh great world kingdom. In his rise to power, the Antichrist will uproot three of these kings or heads of state (Daniel 7:8, Daniel 7:20). After a short space of approximately 3 ½ years, the remaining kings shall give their power, kingdom and authority to the Antichrist, as he establishes the eighth and final world kingdom before the return of Jesus to reign over the earth: the Revived Grecian Empire. In summary, although the Antichrist will come out of the Revised Roman Empire, his origin must be from one of the four divisions of the old Grecian Empire—Greece, Turkey, Syria or Egypt—which Daniel 11 clearly shows to be Syria.
1. He is the little horn - Revived Greece? (Daniel 7:8, Daniel 7:20, Daniel 8:9)
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How do you know these scriptures are speaking about the Antichrist?
The bible I showed you explicitly defines what and who the antichrist's are therefore you are wrong according to the biblical definitions.
There is NO ONE antichrist according to scripture.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/5/2009 3:42:42 AM
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How do you know these scriptures are speaking about the Antichrist?
The bible I showed you explicitly defines what and who the antichrist's are therefore you are wrong according to the biblical definitions.
There is NO ONE antichrist according to scripture.
The spirit of antichrist is not the same thing as THE Antichrist that will usher in the End of Days.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/5/2009 7:45:20 AM
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How do you know these scriptures are speaking about the Antichrist?
The bible I showed you explicitly defines what and who the antichrist's are therefore you are wrong according to the biblical definitions.
There is NO ONE antichrist according to scripture.
The spirit of antichrist is not the same thing as THE Antichrist that will usher in the End of Days. [Edited by moderator]
Only one of the passages I cited spoke of the spirit of the Antichrist.....the others specifically talked about people.
Besides the passage about the spirit is a figure of speech attesting to the nature and practice of people denying Christ.
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Which end of days passage are you referring too?
Also you did not answer my questions in my last post.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/5/2009 11:21:49 AM
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Shalom, sureclarity, and I do mean "shalom!" (Take it down a notch.)
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How do you know these scriptures are speaking about the Antichrist?
The bible I showed you explicitly defines what and who the antichrist's are therefore you are wrong according to the biblical definitions.
There is NO ONE antichrist according to scripture.
The spirit of antichrist is not the same thing as THE Antichrist that will usher in the End of Days.
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jjbird is right that there is not a PERSON called "the Antichrist" in Scripture. Only modern eschatology (theology about the end times), and in particular premillennial and usually pretribulational rapturistic beliefs make such a claim. (Although others have long since jumped on the "bandwagon" about the "Antichrist.")
Now, don't get me wrong: there IS a "man of sin" (or more appropriately, a "man against Torah") talked about in 2 Thes. 2:3 and there is a "beast," specifically the "beast that rises out of the sea," talked about in Revelation 13, but nowhere is he called "the Antichrist." That is simply a connection that has no foundation in Scripture.
So you see, jjbird is technically correct! There's no sense in getting all up in arms about it; it is what it is.
Now, what people have been saying in this thread is that, for all the problems that Obama has faced and perhaps caused by his reactive program against our current financial dilemma, he is NOT meeting the prerequisites to being equated to the Beast of Revelation. He may be a forerunner to this Beast, however, and his policies and reactive "fixes" to our dilemma MAY INDEED be setting us up for the Beast to be accepted globally when he DOES come on the scene, but he is NOT the Beast itself.
And, one more time just for the record, I do NOT believe that the "Beast" is seen in Dani'el 9:24-27 at all. I believe that Yeshua` Himself, the Messiah, is the one who makes the desolate "desolate." (Matthew 23:37-39)
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/5/2009 12:52:00 PM
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In regard to is he, or isn't he, AC, Beast, or Whatever, ponder what is going on in the world, and then click on this video (1948 cartoon (??) about today (??)). Using imagination (only a tad, or dash), envision PBHO as the Barker (salesman):
http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-far-fetched-in-1948.html
If this video doesn't raise you eyebrows to the top of your forehead, IMO, nothing will. I remember this, but like everyone else, counted it to the ridiculous, and filed it away behind the door of my brain called 'don't need to be opened again,' until I received it today, to remind me.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/6/2009 1:58:13 AM
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Shalom, sureclarity, and I do mean "shalom!" (Take it down a notch.)
I am "at peace" on this issue, though it is clear many who post here are not. [edited by moderator - commenting on mod action] I am calm. I do believe that Obama will in some way, fashion, or form usher in the Antichrist - who I personally do believe could, is, or is closely related to Obama. Obama fits ALL of the criteria. If you don't see that (or rather refuse to see that) fine. I don't feel good, my lungs are on fire, and I don’t want to deal anymore with argumentative people who post to this thread and do not want anything negative said about Obama posted. So be it ... one-sided discourse is boring. You know, people refused to hear Yeshua too because they thought they had the inside scoop and refused to see what was right in front of them; they refused truth to stick to the “party line”. In fact they thought hanging Him on a cross and sealing His tomb with a boulder guarded by a Centurion would silence Him too. They were wrong. The truth will never be silenced; and it is heard & recognized by those seeking it.
If you want to believe that there are “many antichrists and that Obama is the messiah instead of a tool of Lucifer, and that Yeshua is not returning again “because He hasn’t made an appearance in 20000 years even though people have been expecting it” - it’s on your head. As far as I’m concerned this thread is dead because it is very narrow minded.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/6/2009 10:11:26 AM
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/6/2009 10:21:36 AM
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Do you think that the anti-christ will be aware that he is the anti-christ? Do you think it would all be so very obvious for the world to see? Do you think the devil (who is calle din scripture the most cunning) would make it all so simple?
Instead of wondering whether obama is the anti christ it would be more useful for each of us to examine ourselves and guard against becoming the very thing we are looking out for.
If spiritual things were as simple as that video make them out to be, there would be no ned frodsicernment. The anti christ may very well be the human person in your life right now whom you admire the most.
Just a thought....
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/6/2009 10:26:45 AM
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What is most humorous about this posting is that just 500 years ago this violent hatred and disdain for all other religions that you are describing would have perfectly pertained to christian in europe. Funny how times change, and times may change for the muslims as well.
History is yet to be completed...
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/6/2009 11:02:51 AM
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According to the bible the antichrist is not one figure.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/7/2009 2:13:43 AM
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According to the bible the antichrist is not one figure.
Agree! 
Ephesians 6: 12-13. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the arkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore taken unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/7/2009 3:31:11 PM
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Ruth73
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I think the enemy is using him as a precusor to the antichrist.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/8/2009 5:51:39 PM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, my friends.
I have to wonder if we could even find a politician who is NOT "antichrist" as that point of view is described in the Bible!
1 John 2:22
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
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1 John 4:3
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
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2 John 7
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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How many literally believe that Yeshua` is the Messiah (Jesus is the Christ), as He is claimed to be? Oh, people use his "full name," so to speak, and call Him "Jesus Christ," but even of those who do, they don't know what "Christ" means! They think "Christ" is just a surname, His last name! The Mashiach or Messiah is technically the Messiah of GOD! In other words, God's Anointed One, God's SELECTED One! It refers back to the holy anointing oil as described in Exodus 30:22-33 which represented the Ruach haQodesh (the Holy Spirit) of God.
Furthermore, how many of those who even use His "full name," "Jesus Christ," truly believe that He came in the flesh or that He came in a physical body? Then of those who believe that He came in the flesh, how many of those believe that He came in the flesh FOR THAT PURPOSE?
A person who was anointed by God, was so anointed for one of four offices: priest, prophet, judge, or king (who IS a judge). Yeshua`, the Messiah of God, will fulfill ALL FOUR! He came the first time as the "Priest forever after the order of Melkhi-Tsedeq (Melchizedek), whose name means "My King [of] Righteousness" and who WAS the "King of Salem" where "Salem" ("Shalom") means "Peace," and by His sacrifice--the sacrifice of His own body--mankind can be justified by God. (Heb. 7:1-2)
He is also noted as a great prophet (Matt. 21:46; Luke 7:16; John 4:19), indeed, THE Great Prophet of God (John 7:40-41). He even CLAIMED to be a prophet (Matt. 13:57; Mark 6:4; Luke 4:24; John 4:44)!
The Scriptures declare that He will also be a great Judge (John 5:30; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Rom. 2:16; 2 Tim. 4:1, 8; Jas. 5:8-9; Rev. 19:11).
That He is to be a great King is also evident from Scripture. Over this, however, is the most debate within the ranks of those who call themselves "Christians." Some believe Yeshua` is a King already, reigning over all of Creation now with His Father. Others believe that He will be a literal King when He returns. Of this group, some believe that He will instantly be King of Kings and Lord of Lords, while others believe that it will take some amount of time for Him, initially as King of Isra'el, to become King of kings or world Emperor. However one looks at this debate, the whole debate will become moot when He is actually reigning on earth (Matt. 2:2; 21:5; 27:11, 29, 37; Mark 15:2, 9, 12, 18, 26, 32; Luke 1:30-33; 19:38; 23:2, 3, 37, 38; John 1:49; 12:13, 15; 18:33, 37, 39; 19:3, 14, 15, 19, 21; Rom. 15:12; 1 Cor. 15:25; 1 Tim. 6:14-16; 2 Tim. 2:12; Rev. 11:15; 17:14; 19:16; 20:6; and 22:5).
Can we find a politician who believes this way? Aren't they almost ALL "antichrist?"
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/8/2009 9:39:21 PM
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bob97
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Interesting Roy and what do you think? Is Christ King already or it that yet to come?
Or maybe He rules in the Heavenly Kingdom but not the earthly kingdom as yet.
Maybe the key verse is Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever.
In Messiah,
Bob
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