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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/8/2009 11:00:15 PM
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/9/2009 1:17:27 AM
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Interesting Roy and what do you think? Is Christ King already or it that yet to come?
Or maybe He rules in the Heavenly Kingdom but not the earthly kingdom as yet.
Maybe the key verse is Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever.
In Messiah,
Bob
It is my opinion that the Christ is not yet the King, otherwise He would be called "King" and not "Christ!" "Christ," the Greek for the Hebrew word "Mashiach" or "Messiah," means "Anointed" i.e., Anointed to BECOME King. It's a similar title to our titles "President-Elect" or even better "King-Apparent" and means "God's Selection for King" or "God's Choice for King."
Now, I know that many Christians today make no distinction between the Father and the Son, Yeshua` the Messiah, but if there weren't some sort of distinction then why say there's a Trinity? Everywhere I look in Scripture, there is a definite distinction between God the Father and His Messiah--His Son--Yeshua`, a distinction most emphatically made by Yeshua` Himself! God the Father has no need for a body; His Son has a resurrected, immortal body which is now an integral part of who He is! God the Father rules over His Creation; His Son will rule over all the nations of the World; God is the Light; His Son is the Lamp. I believe that Rev. 11:15 is saying that the matter is a "done deal." It is at that point that the LORD (YHVH, God the Father) and His Christ (Yeshua`, the Messiah) begin the take-over, "and He (YHVH, God the Father) shall reign forever and ever."
There is no "Heavenly Kingdom" as one might define it because there is no "Heaven," per se. Again, "heaven" is translated from "ouranos" meaning the "sky!" When the Bible says "kingdom of heaven" it is from "basileia toon ouranoon" or "kingdom of or from the sky." There are three things that make up a kingdom: a king, a realm, and willing subjects. When the Messiah returns, He will quickly become King of Isra'el and will reign in their Land as they recognize Him and anoint Him to be their King as they did the kings of old, and He will soon after that become King of kings or World Emperor as He subjugates His enemies, absorbs His vassal states, and demonstrates a wisdom beyond that of Shlomo (Solomon).
There is ONE verse, namely 2 Tim. 4:18, that calls the kingdom "his heavenly kingdom" coming from the words "teen basileian autou teen epouranion," meaning "his kingdom of or from above the sky." This may be a direct reference to the New Jerusalem, and it is a unique reference. IF this is such a reference, then that kingdom would be populated by angels and disembodied spirits--not a fun place, yet.
So, to answer your question, no, I do not believe that He is now King as He will be when He returns. While we, His future subjects, may recognize Him and accept Him today as our King and give Him our full allegiance ahead of time, His true Kingdom does not start until He inherits the throne of Daviyd His ancestor. Then, we are given two facts that must be rectified:
1 Cor 15:20-28
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
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Luke 1:30-33
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
KJV
The way this seems to mesh is that...
Step 1: The Messiah will come back and become King of Isra'el.
Step 2: The Messiah will grow His Kingdom, subjugating His enemies and annexing His friends until He is Ruler over the entire World, a King over kings, the King of Kings.
Step 3: Then, when all are subject to Him, the Messiah will give the whole Kingdom to God the Father and be subject unto Him that God may be all in all.
Step 4: Then, God the Father gives back the Kingdom of Isra'el to Yeshua` as the King of Isra'el.
Step 5: Yeshua` reigns forever as the King of Isra'el, while His Father reigns forever as the King of kings, World Emperor.
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/9/2009 11:07:07 AM
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It is my opinion that the Christ is not yet the King, otherwise He would be called "King" and not "Christ!" "Christ," the Greek for the Hebrew word "Mashiach" or "Messiah," means "Anointed" i.e., Anointed to BECOME King.
I don't necessarily disagree with your post. Well, I do in some points, but the disagreements are minor and do not need to be addressed here. I just have one little clarifying question. If the quoted statement above is true, then why did David call Saul (who was already king) God's anointed?
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After Saul returned from pursuing the Philistines, he was told, "David is in the Desert of En Gedi."
So Saul took three thousand chosen men from all Israel and set out to look for David and his men near
the Crags of the Wild Goats. He came to the sheep pens along the way; a cave was there, and Saul went
in to relieve himself. David and his men were far back in the cave. The men said, "This is the day the LORD
spoke of when he said to you, 'I will give your enemy into your hands for you to deal with as you wish.'"
Then David crept up unnoticed and cut off a corner of Saul's robe.
Afterward, David was conscience-stricken for having cut off a corner of his robe. He said to his men, "The LORD
forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the Lord's anointed, or lift my hand against him; for he is
the anointed of the LORD." With these words David rebuked his men and did not allow them to attack Saul. And
Saul left the cave and went his way. Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, "My lord the king!"
When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.
He said to Saul, "Why do you listen when men say, 'David is bent on harming you'? This day you have seen
with your own eyes how the LORD delivered you into my hands in the cave. Some urged me to kill you,
but I spared you; I said, 'I will not lift my hand against my master, because he is the Lord's anointed.'
(1 Samuel 24: 1-10)
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/9/2009 12:28:16 PM
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/9/2009 2:32:06 PM
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Shalom, tsnody2001.
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It is my opinion that the Christ is not yet the King, otherwise He would be called "King" and not "Christ!" "Christ," the Greek for the Hebrew word "Mashiach" or "Messiah," means "Anointed" i.e., Anointed to BECOME King.
I don't necessarily disagree with your post. Well, I do in some points, but the disagreements are minor and do not need to be addressed here. I just have one little clarifying question. If the quoted statement above is true, then why did David call Saul (who was already king) God's anointed?
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After Saul returned from pursuing the Philistines, he was told, "David is in the Desert of En Gedi."
So Saul took three thousand chosen men from all Israel and set out to look for David and his men near
the Crags of the Wild Goats. He came to the sheep pens along the way; a cave was there, and Saul went
in to relieve himself. David and his men were far back in the cave. The men said, "This is the day the LORD
spoke of when he said to you, 'I will give your enemy into your hands for you to deal with as you wish.'"
Then David crept up unnoticed and cut off a corner of Saul's robe.
Afterward, David was conscience-stricken for having cut off a corner of his robe. He said to his men, "The LORD
forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the Lord's anointed, or lift my hand against him; for he is
the anointed of the LORD." With these words David rebuked his men and did not allow them to attack Saul. And
Saul left the cave and went his way. Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, "My lord the king!"
When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.
He said to Saul, "Why do you listen when men say, 'David is bent on harming you'? This day you have seen
with your own eyes how the LORD delivered you into my hands in the cave. Some urged me to kill you,
but I spared you; I said, 'I will not lift my hand against my master, because he is the Lord's anointed.'
(1 Samuel 24: 1-10)
The answer is fairly simple. Sha'ul (Saul) was still one who had been Anointed by God in the past, and God does not recind His promises (see Rom. 11:29). Thus, even an ex-king, like Sha'ul, like our ex-Presidents, have a standing with God that is above the norm. Daviyd recognized this and honored him accordingly. Once a mashiach (a messiah), always a mashiach. Notice, too, however that Daviyd also called him "king!" (1 Sam. 24:8) The titles are additive. First, mashiach, THEN added to that title, a man could be further called, "melekh" ("king").
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/9/2009 2:36:14 PM
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Shalom, to all.
Sorry for adding to the derailment! It is still my opinion that President Obama is NOT the "Man of Sin" nor is He the "Beast that rises out of the sea." He does, however, show evidence that he has the SPIRIT of antichrist, as do most politicians in the USA today.
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/9/2009 3:32:19 PM
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I don't recall ever hearing Obama declare that he didn't believe that Jesus was the Christ.
He even talked about how he came to faith in Christ.
Therefore biblically speaking he CANNOT be an Antichrist if he believes in Christ.
Here is a quote from Obama:
"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals." Barack Obama
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/9/2009 7:25:50 PM
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Shalom, jjbird.
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I don't recall ever hearing Obama declare that he didn't believe that Jesus was the Christ.
He even talked about how he came to faith in Christ.
Therefore biblically speaking he CANNOT be an Antichrist if he believes in Christ.
Here is a quote from Obama:
"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals." Barack Obama
Well, that SOUNDS good (and he may just be spouting off the rhetoric of the Christians to console the Right), but how does he feel about end-times events? Got a quote for that? How he defines "Christ" and what he believes about the Christ will determine whether he has the attitude of "antichrist" or not.
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
P.S. - How does he feel about the 12th Imam?
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/9/2009 7:34:04 PM
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There are certain bedrock things a Christian must adhere to, and BO fails on several of them. The foremost ones are abortion (he's for them unconditionally, from conception through birth; that's satanic), and approval of perverted lifestyles (nothing is beyond the pale for this man).
What about the millions of American Christians who have vast wealth, and spend little to none of it on helping the poor, sick, naked and hungry in the world? Are they liars too?
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/9/2009 8:41:42 PM
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There are certain bedrock things a Christian must adhere to, and BO fails on several of them. The foremost ones are abortion (he's for them unconditionally, from conception through birth; that's satanic), and approval of perverted lifestyles (nothing is beyond the pale for this man).
What about the millions of American Christians who have vast wealth, and spend little to none of it on helping the poor, sick, naked and hungry in the world? Are they liars too?
You betcha! Well said, MrFribbles! You've made a very good point!
In the Messiah's LOVE,
Roy
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/10/2009 8:51:01 AM
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Shalom, jjbird.
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ORIGINAL: jjbird
I don't recall ever hearing Obama declare that he didn't believe that Jesus was the Christ.
He even talked about how he came to faith in Christ.
Therefore biblically speaking he CANNOT be an Antichrist if he believes in Christ.
Here is a quote from Obama:
"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals." Barack Obama
Well, that SOUNDS good (and he may just be spouting off the rhetoric of the Christians to console the Right), but how does he feel about end-times events? Got a quote for that? How he defines "Christ" and what he believes about the Christ will determine whether he has the attitude of "antichrist" or not.
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
P.S. - How does he feel about the 12th Imam?
Good question! I have no idea......and yes I believe Obama uses plenty of rhetoric.
Just for the record I am not saying I believe he is a Christian only sharing what he said concerning the matter.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/16/2009 2:27:01 AM
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Yes in the terms that are understood by the majority of the church Obama is an anti-christ. However, i am sure that the anti-christ is not a world leader in the government but a world leader in the soon to arise one world church. There are meetings in Austrailia where there are over 200 religious leaders from all faiths to hammer out the framework of this new entity this month.
aniti is against and Obama is against Christ teachings in many respects especially in areas of Godly righteousness.
But in 1st John an anti christ is someone who came into the church and left because they were not of the church. I trully believe that the religeous leader of this new entity will be the reining Pope and therefore Babylon the great. Here are the reasons for this belief. You judge.
There are millions of Christians today that have no understanding of bible prophecy. There are others who have a desire to understand but don’t believe they can so they put very little effort to studying prophetic scripture. And then there are millions who study but because they do not have a revelation of the Hollow Earth that is proved on this site above, have it all mixed up. They are sincere in their search but they have missed the foundation of creation that is taught in Genesis. Many Christians have believed the lies taught by their mentors and have been blinded and even perhaps lost to the truth in Bible Prophecy. Many of these have believed the lie of a pre-tribulation rapture which now is impossible seeing as the last seven weeks started in Jan 1st 2007. These have also believed that the seven year covenant of Daniel 9:27 is a peace treaty and therefore, because we don’t have a peace treaty yet and the covenant signed is not a peace treaty, that it is still to come. Nowhere in Daniel does it state that we will have a peace treaty at the beginning of the last seven years. I intend to prove that the covenant signed in 2007 is the one we are looking for.
On this post I hope to clear up and to prove many of the miss-conceptions that pervade the church in the area of bible prophecy. Please have your Bible handy to follow along because I will not quote scripture but I will tell you where to find it. It is your calling to study to show yourself approved, rightly dividing the word of truth.
If you are able to see that the earth is indeed hollow as is claimed on this blog above then understand that the wicked one who sits in the temple to show himself that he is god is the king that will come out of the pit just as Rev 17 claims and therefore we can ignore that scripture in 2nd Thessalonians 2:4 that speaks of him for now, while we attempt to understand the other scriptures pertaining to the other characters of the last days prophecies.
The first one that we need to understand is Babylon the great the Mother of Harlots in Rev 17. Now there is one Denomination today that teaches that this is the USA and New York in particular and they have built their whole understanding around this miss-conception. The Babylon in this chapter is dressed in scarlet and purple. The President and his advisers are usually dressed in black with white shirts. Babylon is decked out is precious jewels and rubies. The President might have a Rolex watch and a gold pen and a gold ring. Babylon worships the blood of the saints and the martyrs of Jesus. The only time the saints are mentioned in the Whitehouse is probably by accident used as a curse word when it slips out. You have to wonder how these doctrines ever get conceived. Babylon sits on seven hills. The Pentagon is basically in a field from pictures I have seen. No, Babylon is not the USA but the USA is in prophetic scripture as a beast in other scriptures. This I hope to prove after we finish with Babylon.
Now it must be understood that the beast is not Babylon but the woman who rides the beast is Babylon. The Beast with ten horns is the European Union as I will soon prove.
So then who is this Babylon? Well to many it is obvious but for those who are not yet convinced I will give proof from scripture. I will attempt to prove to you beyond a shadow of doubt, that Babylon is the One World Religion that is about to be birthed and that the Catholic Monarchy is her head. The first clue in Revelations 17 tells us that Babylon sits on many waters. Waters are considered nations in prophecy. The Catholic Church is the largest religious organization in the world. It is the dominant religion in most countries around the world and therefore it sits on many waters.
In Rev 17 it is said that the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her. This is not the sexual fornication that we would normally relate to this word but it is spiritual fornication. Spiritual fornication is committed when someone of a particular religion studies the teachings of another religion and then combines the two to come out with a mixed, and confused, understanding. Hosea 4:11 in the old testament warns us that whoredom and wine and new wine takes away the heart. In other words we are no longer able to think clearly and hear the Lord because we have other beliefs mixed in with his teachings in our mind. The Catholic Church has slowly blended Christian doctrine with doctrines of many other religions over the years. Exodus 20:4 in the Ten Commandments tells us that we are not to make a graven image of anything in the heavens, in the earth or beneath the earth and we are not to bow down in worship to them. The Catholic Church is full of idols of several saints including Mary, Jesus mother, and of Jesus himself who is in heaven. They have broken this commandment and have even prayed to the saints as well which is an abomination to GOD. We have only one mediator between us and GOD and that is Jesus Christ the righteous according to 1st Timothy 2:5. As well they use prayer beads as a means of pennants which is adapted from another religion. Fear of past sin retribution has caused many to fall for this trap. It is not uncommon to see Muslims practice the same thing. There is much more if you are willing to research but I believe I have made my point.
Babylon rides a beast that is scarlet in color and has seven heads and ten horns. The ten horns I will soon prove to be the 10 original nations in the European Union. The seven heads are seven mountains in Rome where the Vatican is. However, I believe they may also represent seven of the world’s mainline religions whom the Catholic Church will head and will have many religions under their domination. There is a meeting in Australia this month of Nov 2007 with over 200 spiritual heads from many religions whose goal is to organize the first one world religion. We will have to watch and wait for the outcome of those meetings. This does not have to manifest to fulfill scripture. It is just my own thoughts.
Babylon is dressed in purple and scarlet color and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls. The Pope has a crown that is full of precious jewels. On his finger he wears a diamond that people would kill for. On his neck he wears a chain of peals the value of which I could not estimate. Is the picture coming any clearer? Get out of denial and wakeup. Wisdom is a tree of life to those who find her.
She has a golden cup in her hand full abominations and filthiness of her fornications. The abominations are the ungodly practices that she has adapted into the church because she has blended the doctrines of other religions with biblical teachings. If you will give them a stated amount of money they will pray and a wicked relative that was a drunkard and a thief can be bought out of an imaginary Purgatory into the presents of God so he won’t suffer damnation. Do they really think that God would take a bribe to release a devil from his just reward? That is insane. What does God care about earthly wealth compared to His righteousness? Have you ever read up on the Crusades. They burned Gods chosen people, the Jews at the stake if they would not convert to Christianity. Does that sound like Jesus? It is no wonder that so many people hate Jesus. This list could be expounded on but I don’t believe it necessary to prove my point. The atrocities that have been done by the Catholic Church over the decades are gross and to many to mention. From Priests molesting sisters and children, to murder. A righteous GOD cannot let this go unpunished.
It is not hard to understand how when God looks at her he sees Babylon the Great the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth written in her mind. But even still GOD is calling those who will hear to come out of her my people in Rev 18:4. In other words there are good Christian people in the Catholic Church but GOD says they should get out of it lest they partake of her sin.
She is drunk with the blood of the saints and with the martyrs of Jesus. In the Catholic Church they don’t pray to Jesus. Someone long ago did not get the answer to a prayer that he wanted so he thought to pray to Mary, Jesus mother. Surely she would intervene and Jesus could not resist the petition from his mother. I don’t know if he got his answer but this practice began the long slippery slope to idolatry of praying to many of the saints and the martyrs of Jesus and I have heard that they get answers to many of these prayers. However, judging from the obvious description of Babylon and her punishment, I would never recommend this practice as Timothy again tells us we have one mediator between us and God and that is the man Jesus Christ. If he does not answer your prayer then it is simply because you are lacking faith and might need to repent of some sin that is fogging up your conscience because if we know he hears us then we know we have the thing that we asked for. On the other hand if we pray out of the wrong spirit to get things we don’t need or that are not right, don’t expect a righteous God to answer. The devil might answer and take your soul, but God will never answer this type of prayer. Those who put God first will settle for no. Those who do not will lose their soul. They are drunk with the blood of the saints. Many children, citys, streets, schools and cathedrals are named after the saints and martyrs of Jesus.
The Beast of Revelation 17:8 was, is not and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go into perdition. It is obvious from scripture that the 10 horns on this beast is the European Union, which I will prove later, and as I have already said, the seven heads are a one world religion. This beast dominated the world at the time of Christs first appearing and crucifixion under the name of the Holy Roman Empire. It ruled for about 1700 years before it finally lost its strangle hold. However, in recent years this same beast with the same countries has immerged once again under the new name which is The European Union. Hence it was and is not and will ascend out of the pit. When Christ returns this beast will be destroyed once and for all and in this way will go into perdition.
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. The head of the Catholic Church is the Pope who sits in the Vatican in Rome, Italy. In Italy there are seven prominent hills that are obvious and renowned. This is then just one more clue to help us understand who Babylon is. Have you ever noticed how Italy is shaped much like a traditional witches boot? I don’t think that was a coincidence, though it is not mentioned in prophetic scripture to my knowledge.
There are those who would argue this based on the products traded by the whore. You must understand that if you take out Babylon you get all of those sitting on many waters with her.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/19/2009 12:00:29 AM
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That is a parallel that does not stand scrutiny. But there is a verse in Daniel which some believe suggests the Antichrist will be a homosexual. it says 'he does not countenance the desire for women.' that could just mean he is celebate as you say, but most I have heard think it means he will be gay. that would not be surprising as many of the later Roman Emperors were gay pedophiles. Remember the antichrist is called the beast, this should give us a clue as to what his so called spiritual revolution is going to be all about at its core.
The first 3 1/2 years is a time when the A/C is battling with a revival lead by the two witnesses and many many so called christians will be willing to turn on the true church in exchange for some tax breaks and a decent interest rate. Many will simply keep attending their churches oblivious up until the take the mark of the beast to the fact that millions of christians in their own country have been placed in camps and perhaps millions killed.
We should be careful in tossing around accusations of antichrist-ness. But Obama does fit the profile at least of the way in which the AC come in. If he can carry the day at Copenhagen, network with the EU President and deliver a peace deal in the Middle East we who understand the prophesied signs should be wise enough to take notice.
God bless.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/21/2009 5:08:02 PM
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Milliecat
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I don't recall ever hearing Obama declare that he didn't believe that Jesus was the Christ.
He even talked about how he came to faith in Christ.
Therefore biblically speaking he CANNOT be an Antichrist if he believes in Christ.
Here is a quote from Obama:
"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals." Barack Obama
Obama gave an interview with a Sun Times religious reporter in...around 2004 and it was clear from what he said that he knew very little about being a Christian. He also mocked the Bible in a speech he gave during the campaign. I don't believe a born again Christian would mock Scripture. He ignored the National Day of Prayer. He had all religious images in the background covered when he gave a speech at Georgetown University. He is not only for abortion but also partial birth abortion and was against giving medical assistance to an infant born alive during a failed abortion. He wants to control the entire health care system and ensure that the elderly have decreased medical care, abortion be paid with taxpayer dollars, and those who choose to buy insurance will pay increased premiums IN SPITE of the fact that the majority, 51% of Americans are against the health care overhaul. No, I don't think that Barack Obama is a Christian at all.
I don't think Obama is the Antichrist. He is evil enough but not smart enough.
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RE: COULD Obama be THE or AN Antichrist? - 11/22/2009 8:56:22 PM
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ORIGINAL: jjbird
I don't recall ever hearing Obama declare that he didn't believe that Jesus was the Christ.
He even talked about how he came to faith in Christ.
Therefore biblically speaking he CANNOT be an Antichrist if he believes in Christ.
Here is a quote from Obama:
"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals." Barack Obama
Obama gave an interview with a Sun Times religious reporter in...around 2004 and it was clear from what he said that he knew very little about being a Christian. He also mocked the Bible in a speech he gave during the campaign. I don't believe a born again Christian would mock Scripture. He ignored the National Day of Prayer. He had all religious images in the background covered when he gave a speech at Georgetown University. He is not only for abortion but also partial birth abortion and was against giving medical assistance to an infant born alive during a failed abortion. He wants to control the entire health care system and ensure that the elderly have decreased medical care, abortion be paid with taxpayer dollars, and those who choose to buy insurance will pay increased premiums IN SPITE of the fact that the majority, 51% of Americans are against the health care overhaul. No, I don't think that Barack Obama is a Christian at all.
I don't think Obama is the Antichrist. He is evil enough but not smart enough.
Yep I am aware of all these things. I never thought he was a Christian despite what he claims.
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