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The Dragon and The Woman - 8/16/2009 6:44:45 PM
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colossus1000
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Please don't take this wrong as I am not trying to take away from anything in the Bible and replace it with something else. Its just odd, very odd on how it seems that spiritual event starts with a physical events and is mimicked with a cosmic event, now im not saying everything(but you never know). I have found this in so many layers it is crazy.
Let me post my strange theory about this verse, and please I know I am reading into it alot, I do not deny the real meanings of these verses in spiritual and the earthly representations.
OK on with it.
Rev 12:1- And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:3-And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
I know what they mean in physical and spiritual analogy.
In Cosmic terms not spiritual,
Is The Woman the earth with 12 planets total without the earth, plus the moon and sun.
Is The Dragon a Binary Star or System, that drags debris and casts it to earth, also causes earthquakes and volcanism.
Is it this same Planet that Satan comes from? Where he is cast out of Heaven from? Is this the Same Planet that somehow, someway gives power to this 10 nation revival of the Roman Empire?
Its odd to note if this is true then 12 being Gods Number, it makes compete sense, and that this other Planet kept not its 1st estate(orbit), just as Satan did not keep his 1st estate, and as there were 12 apostles one fell, Judas, and was repalced with mattias.
Binary stars are often detected optically, in which case they are called visual binaries. Many visual binaries have long orbital periods of several centuries or millennia and therefore have orbits which are uncertain or poorly known.
I will update more soon, as I do have more, alot more.
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RE: The Dragon and The Woman - 8/16/2009 7:41:52 PM
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SonicStudent
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Bro’, with respect to your views here, I think that it is unwise to see new and strange scenarios at this time, and I say this with love, as it is clear you are seeking truth with the rest of us.
However, a good reminder at a critical time of biblical prophecy such as now is to read 2nd Peter 1:20 says. "Knowing this first that prophesy in scripture has no private interpretation."
I know the very nature of prophecy is to question, and that because it is yet future, there may be twist and turns, and it does no harm pondering things. Yet, some imagery in Revelation is clear and easy to understand.
This woman, clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars would have to represent the Hebrew Nation that ceased to exist around 135- 138 AD.
The twelve stars would have to represent the twelve tribes of Israel. This requires no interpretative skills, to read these verses exactly as they are written. The Lord often referred to the Hebrew people as his adulterous wife. The Church also teaches that, the Church is to be the Bride of Christ. If this is true, that should further prove that the woman that gives birth to Jesus can not be his mother. That would be incest. The Son would not marry his mother! The woman in this chapter definitely does not represent the Church. That Hebrew nation that was in existence in those centuries; was the bride of GOD. The woman that would naturally be the woman to give birth to the son of God. So that cancels it being the church, but to say it is some alien planet, or to suggest that Satan is on a planet etc, is just moving the goal posts too much bro'.
This is how I see it anyway.
With respect bro’,
Mark
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RE: The Dragon and The Woman - 8/16/2009 8:47:38 PM
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colossus1000
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Now thats the kind of reply I want, honest and to the point, Thanks you for taking the time to post it.
I know its taking it far, im the 1st one to admit this, but I question alot of things, where is satan now, can't I know, or even theorize about it?
Again Thanks for the imput bro.
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RE: The Dragon and The Woman - 8/16/2009 11:00:49 PM
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colossus1000
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I think the same thing that caused the plagues in Egypt is coming back, this time the destroyer will start the Day of The Lord, just as they sealed their dwelling places with the Lambs blood so the death angel passed over, so The Lord Seals his people right before the 1st Trumpet Blows so they are protected and the Destruction does not come upon them.
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RE: The Dragon and The Woman - 8/16/2009 11:15:15 PM
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Colossus...didn't God cause the plague in Exodus? God protected the Israelite in that case and He will protect the Church now. Of course the 144000 are not Christians so it will be necessary to seal them.
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RE: The Dragon and The Woman - 8/16/2009 11:18:40 PM
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Chrio
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Greetings in Jesus
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ORIGINAL: colossus1000
...where is satan now, can't I know, or even theorize about it?
Again Thanks for the imput bro.
If God has not revealed it ... then no you cannot know it. Does "theorize" make you a better follower of Jesus? A better servant? A better Ambassador? Is it our Father's business which we should be about?
I believe not just yours but all the time disciples of Christ invest theorizing and guessing about that which God has kept to Himself, is the devil's means of keeping us distracted from what God has left us here to do. Again, just MHO.
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RE: The Dragon and The Woman - 8/17/2009 12:03:25 AM
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colossus1000
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Hey Bob, Yea I believe God did cause them, but I don't think God sprinkles magic dust on the earth to cause them though, he obviously uses the matter from his creation, it can be a planet or a volcano but whatever it is God did cause it, or set it all in motion from the start.
I think it is a sealing of the Holy Spirit, and telling the angel not to hurt the trees or sea, this is right before the 1st trumpet. I take much of this literally.
Rev 7:3
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Deu 11:18
Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
Rev 7:4
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Eph 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
What is our fathers buisness?
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RE: The Dragon and The Woman - 8/17/2009 12:37:40 AM
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bob97
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quote:
I think it is a sealing of the Holy Spirit, and telling the angel not to hurt the trees or sea, this is right before the 1st trumpet. I take much of this literally.
Yes that is correct...before the sounding of the 1st trumpet and the beginning of Gods wrath.
God will likely use natural earthly occurrences in bringing this wrath to mankind but we can maybe expect a few supernatural things as well, such as Rev 9:11.
Bob
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