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When a Christian commits adultery? - 8/18/2009 2:07:37 AM
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HaveMercyonUS
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When a christian commits adultery with a married person and then marries them are they not living in perpetual sin? And if so will they be forgiven this sin even though it's continual, because in actuality they cannot truly repent unless they divorce? I know we all commit sins, but at the end of the day we can repent, whereas an adulterous couple cannot if they stay married because they are still living in adultery. I think of it sort of like if a homosexual were to become a member of the church, I would expect them to remain celibate if they did not choose to establish a heterosexual relationship. Yet, we would turn away the homosexual if they continued in a homosexual relationship, while we let those living in adultery stay. Why is that?
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RE: When a Christian commits adultery? - 8/18/2009 7:55:08 AM
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John_O
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When a christian commits adultery with a married person and then marries them are they not living in perpetual sin?
If they married the person they sinned with, then would it not also be a sin to divorce that person for no valid biblical reason?
I do not believe there is such a thing as continual sin in this circumstance. If they sincerely repent of the adultery and ask God for forgiveness He will forgive them.
Look at it this way. Lets say I steal from you a precious vase. And I shatter it and grind the pieces to dust.
A few weeks later I am overwhelmed by my guilt and beg forgiveness from God. I sincerely repent and change my ways. Am I doomed to be forever guilty because I cannot restore the vase? No. (although I'd still need to pay the criminal penalities that I have incurred)
Likewise an adulterer who repents is forgiven. Even though they cannot restore the marriage they broke up.
Their marriage to the person they commited adultery with is a seperate issue which would have to be argued in the "marriage after divorce" one stop thread. (But I wouldn't suggest going there. It gets pretty ugly in there.)
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And if so will they be forgiven this sin even though it's continual, because in actuality they cannot truly repent unless they divorce?
(For the sake of discussion lets assume the married person was female and the person she committed adultery with was male)
How is them divorcing the person they are now married to going to restore the previous marriage? It seems to me this would just be adding the sin of divorce (for non-biblical reasons) to the sin of adultery. Additionally the wronged spouse is biblically forbidden from remarrying his ex-wife after she's been married to someone else.
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I know we all commit sins, but at the end of the day we can repent, whereas an adulterous couple cannot if they stay married because they are still living in adultery.
Once her husband divorces her for the adultery she is no longer committing adultery. You have to have a marriage involved to be adulterous and there is no longer a marriage here. Her and her lover would be committing fornication until they were married however
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I think of it sort of like if a homosexual were to become a member of the church, I would expect them to remain celibate if they did not choose to establish a heterosexual relationship. Yet, we would turn away the homosexual if they continued in a homosexual relationship, while we let those living in adultery stay. Why is that?
We don't let those who are in adultery remain. My church just had two families break up as the man of one and the woman of the other committed adultery together. Both divorces are now final. So at this point they would be fornicating but no longer committing adultery. They would probably be welcomed back by the church at large if they sincerely repented of the adultery but the tensions between them and the families they betrayed would still prevent them from returning.
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RE: When a Christian commits adultery? - 8/18/2009 4:34:53 PM
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ORIGINAL: HaveMercyonUS
When a christian commits adultery with a married person and then marries them are they not living in perpetual sin? And if so will they be forgiven this sin even though it's continual, because in actuality they cannot truly repent unless they divorce? I know we all commit sins, but at the end of the day we can repent, whereas an adulterous couple cannot if they stay married because they are still living in adultery. I think of it sort of like if a homosexual were to become a member of the church, I would expect them to remain celibate if they did not choose to establish a heterosexual relationship. Yet, we would turn away the homosexual if they continued in a homosexual relationship, while we let those living in adultery stay. Why is that?
HaveMercyonUS, Shalom.
Where on Earth did you get that 'out-house' preaching from?
Please go read the story about David and Bathsheba. His sin was far worse than yours, yet David was allowed to repent, then he and Bathsheba made the wisest man to live, Solomon. God took His price from David, through the child he sired out of wedlock, and committed murder for, but David, through his repentance was blessed.
You ain't not no better than David and Bathsheba, are you? Well you aren't as bad either!
I would tell you two to get down on your knees, repent your past, beg forgiveness, and then do the very best you can do to love each other, making up for the spiritual pain you each caused the other, for the rest of your mortal lives, and enjoy Eternity, before Christ, together. I won't tell you that, however, as I do not desire the Mod's erase my heartfelt concern into the 'Recycle bin.'  And with that I set sail for another thread, to see what wind blows thar. 
Good luck, have a joyous life, keep the watch, our redemption draws nigh.
In Messiah. Arley
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In the name of 'THE' Mashiach, Man the wall, set the watch, sound the Shofar. Our redemption draws nigh.
Messiah, my Captain, and Helmsman.
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RE: When a Christian commits adultery? - 8/18/2009 8:55:08 PM
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HaveMercyonUS
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When a christian commits adultery with a married person and then marries them are they not living in perpetual sin?
If they married the person they sinned with, then would it not also be a sin to divorce that person for no valid biblical reason?
Wouldn't being in an adulterous relationship be cause?
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I do not believe there is such a thing as continual sin in this circumstance. If they sincerely repent of the adultery and ask God for forgiveness He will forgive them.
How can they'd have truly repented if they are still living in adultery?
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Look at it this way. Lets say I steal from you a precious vase. And I shatter it and grind the pieces to dust.
A few weeks later I am overwhelmed by my guilt and beg forgiveness from God. I sincerely repent and change my ways. Am I doomed to be forever guilty because I cannot restore the vase? No. (although I'd still need to pay the criminal penalities that I have incurred)
Likewise an adulterer who repents is forgiven. Even though they cannot restore the marriage they broke up.
I wasn't expecting the marriage to be restored, but shouldn't the adulterers stay unmarried. Regarding the vase, you could replace the vase with one similar and you actually should repay sevenfold more according Proverbs 6:31.
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Their marriage to the person they commited adultery with is a seperate issue which would have to be argued in the "marriage after divorce" one stop thread. (But I wouldn't suggest going there. It gets pretty ugly in there.)
You're right, but I had to just take a peek anyway.
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And if so will they be forgiven this sin even though it's continual, because in actuality they cannot truly repent unless they divorce?
(For the sake of discussion lets assume the married person was female and the person she committed adultery with was male)
How is them divorcing the person they are now married to going to restore the previous marriage? It seems to me this would just be adding the sin of divorce (for non-biblical reasons) to the sin of adultery. Additionally the wronged spouse is biblically forbidden from remarrying his ex-wife after she's been married to someone else.
It won't restore the previous marriage, but like I asked above shouldn't they stay unmarried? Also would the divorce be considered a sin, since it wasn't a sanctioned (for lack of a better word) marriage anyway? Would they have caused the pastor sin by performing the marriage, by not telling him the story behind how they came to be together?
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I know we all commit sins, but at the end of the day we can repent, whereas an adulterous couple cannot if they stay married because they are still living in adultery.
Once her husband divorces her for the adultery she is no longer committing adultery. You have to have a marriage involved to be adulterous and there is no longer a marriage here. Her and her lover would be committing fornication until they were married however
Wouldn't she/they still be considered an adultress or adulterer because according to Mt 5:32 it says:
"But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery."
Here the innocent spouse will be considered an adultress even though the offending has divorced her and any man who marries her will be committing adultery. Given this, wouldn't the spouse who committed adultery still be considered an adultress and living in adultery if she marries again?
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I think of it sort of like if a homosexual were to become a member of the church, I would expect them to remain celibate if they did not choose to establish a heterosexual relationship. Yet, we would turn away the homosexual if they continued in a homosexual relationship, while we let those living in adultery stay. Why is that?
We don't let those who are in adultery remain. My church just had two families break up as the man of one and the woman of the other committed adultery together. Both divorces are now final. So at this point they would be fornicating but no longer committing adultery. They would probably be welcomed back by the church at large if they sincerely repented of the adultery but the tensions between them and the families they betrayed would still prevent them from returning.
Then your church is probably one of the few, of course many churches may not know who committed or is committing adultery.
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RE: When a Christian commits adultery? - 8/18/2009 9:06:47 PM
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HaveMercyonUS
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HaveMercyonUS, Shalom.
Where on Earth did you get that 'out-house' preaching from?
Please go read the story about David and Bathsheba. His sin was far worse than yours, yet David was allowed to repent, then he and Bathsheba made the wisest man to live, Solomon. God took His price from David, through the child he sired out of wedlock, and committed murder for, but David, through his repentance was blessed.
You ain't not no better than David and Bathsheba, are you? Well you aren't as bad either!
I would tell you two to get down on your knees, repent your past, beg forgiveness, and then do the very best you can do to love each other, making up for the spiritual pain you each caused the other, for the rest of your mortal lives, and enjoy Eternity, before Christ, together. I won't tell you that, however, as I do not desire the Mod's erase my heartfelt concern into the 'Recycle bin.' And with that I set sail for another thread, to see what wind blows thar.
Good luck, have a joyous life, keep the watch, our redemption draws nigh.
In Messiah. Arley
Greetings Navy,
I never said I was living in this situation. I was leading someone who was in my family to Christ, I even took her to a Beth Moore conference and she was all fired up. To make a long story short she left this other family member who was a non-christian and moved in with this "christian" man with their children and were living in sin for about a year. As far as I know they still attended church. Anyway, I found out they just got married, the ink had barely settled on the divorce papers. That's why I brought this up.
To be truthfully it's the fact they did all this while claiming to be christians that bothers me the most. I guess I could've dealt with it better had she divorced and waited until she was married again, before moving in with this christian man and taking their relationship to the next level, if you know what I mean.
Peace2u,
Ann
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RE: When a Christian commits adultery? - 8/18/2009 9:23:37 PM
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navyblueret
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HaveMercyonUS, Shalom.
Oooops! I guess I based my response to you because of your handle. My advice still stands, no matter who the sinner, based on the particulars given.
May 'They' sort their problem out with Jesus, and regain their Rightiousness.
In Messiah. Arley
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In the name of 'THE' Mashiach, Man the wall, set the watch, sound the Shofar. Our redemption draws nigh.
Messiah, my Captain, and Helmsman.
(Joh 14:6 KJV) ... I am the way, the truth, and the life: ...
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RE: When a Christian commits adultery? - 8/18/2009 10:07:44 PM
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John_O
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ORIGINAL: HaveMercyonUS
When a christian commits adultery with a married person and then marries them are they not living in perpetual sin?
If they married the person they sinned with, then would it not also be a sin to divorce that person for no valid biblical reason?
Wouldn't being in an adulterous relationship be cause?
OK. As I see it your question is: If a single person commits adultery with a married person. And the married person's spouse divorces them because of it and the single person marries the newly divorced person. then they are still committing adultery.
The fallacy is that when they marry they are not committing adultery as neither is married to anyone else.
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I do not believe there is such a thing as continual sin in this circumstance. If they sincerely repent of the adultery and ask God for forgiveness He will forgive them.
How can they'd have truly repented if they are still living in adultery?
They are not living in adultery as neither one was married when they married each other.
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I wasn't expecting the marriage to be restored, but shouldn't the adulterers stay unmarried.
Why? If they sincerely repent (see David and Bathsheba) they are free to marry.
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Regarding the vase, you could replace the vase with one similar and you actually should repay sevenfold more according Proverbs 6:31.
But the vase is gone and canot be replaced. The previous marriage cannot be restored. and we certainly can't bring then 7 spouses.
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Psalms 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
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RE: When a Christian commits adultery? - 8/19/2009 6:19:27 AM
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I struggle with this question as both my husbands ex and my ex committed serious sexual immorlity and I sometimes wonder if they are Biblically allowed to remarry. My husbands ex broke up with the other man shortly after the divorce, and she now has no one, but I often wonder if God would bring a man into her life after she was unfaithful and after she divorced my husband for no reason other than she wanted ot marry this other man. The pastor told here that she had no reason to divorce him but she didnt listen.
I have come to the conlcusion that IF she repented for the affair AND repented for divorcing him, that MAYBE she is allowed to remarry, but as she has never appologised to my hsuband for either, I dont think she can have repented properly.If you have done something worng you need to ask for forgiveness and she hasnt done so. Anyway this may be immaterial as she is 52 and there are really very few Christian men of around that age who arent married.
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RE: When a Christian commits adultery? - 8/19/2009 8:54:54 AM
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God´s Word tells us at the end of every discussion concerning companionship, that to avoid fornication let every man have a wife, and let every woman have a husband, because if we cannot contain(live without companionship), then we had better get married; because it is better to marry, than to lust for. The entire seventh chapter of First Corinthians discusses the various relations; but again, the answer always arrives back at verse two: in order to avoid fornication.
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RE: When a Christian commits adultery? - 8/19/2009 4:48:37 PM
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HaveMercyonUS
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God´s Word tells us at the end of every discussion concerning companionship, that to avoid fornication let every man have a wife, and let every woman have a husband, because if we cannot contain(live without companionship), then we had better get married; because it is better to marry, than to lust for. The entire seventh chapter of First Corinthians discusses the various relations; but again, the answer always arrives back at verse two: in order to avoid fornication.
While I understand this, these people were already married and therefore would have avoided fornicating. It was that they sought out new partners that causes the problems.
Mat 19:8 He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
Mat 19:9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, [fn] and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
Mat 19:10 His disciples said to Him, "If such is the case of the man with [his] wife, it is better not to marry."
Here the apostles think because of the conditions Jesus states are the only cause for divorce and the consequences thereof are so severe, they think it would better to not marry at all.
They are thinking what if I marry and decide I don't want to spend the rest of my life with the person I chose, then I am trapped unless I want to cause my spouse to become an adultress, which is leading one of God's children to sin. Jesus says this about causing one of his children sin:
Mat 18:6 "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
I find divorce is just too rampant among christians. It's like many don't want to put in the effort to work through their problems. I know it's twofold for those who chose to marry non-christians or who became christians after they married while their spouses did not.
I married a non-christian and divorced. Though there was justification for the divorce I chose not to remarry and have remained celibate for over 10 years now. I decided my relationship with God was most important in my life and didn't want any distractions.
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RE: When a Christian commits adultery? - 8/19/2009 4:59:16 PM
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In an attempt to consolidate for the purpose of effective moderation we have created a couple One Stop threads for the topic of divorce. Therefore, this thread on the topic is being closed.
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