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Horn bands anyone? - 8/18/2009 2:55:15 PM   
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I have always been a fan of the rock and pop bands that had a good horn secition. I am talking artists like Chicago, Ides of March, Lighthouse, Blood Sweat and Tears.

THis is a thread to discuss them.

I have been listening lately to a CD from Ides of March called IdeEssentials. It has (in addition to Vehicle) a horn band take on "Summer in the City" and a great version of "Eye of the Tiger." Jim Peterak was lead singer, guitarist and songwriter for both Ides of March and Survivor. It is really interesting to hear the opening power chord theme done in the horn section.

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/18/2009 2:57:48 PM   
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Anyone here from the East Chicago area that remembers a band from about 1970 called "City Limits?" I remember seeing an album by them but never picked it up. I heard later they were also a really great horn band. I have yet to find a copy of it.

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 12:11:47 AM   
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MADNESS.

they had good stuff... even if the 'hits' were fairly commercial... the albums had some good songs.

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 6:29:24 AM   
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Not familiar with them. Got a link?

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 6:41:47 AM   
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Got a link?



no, i'm at work. lol. they were a 2-tone ska band (and pretty much one of the firsts of 2nd wave ska IIRC) from UK, most active in the 70s and 80s.

they're biggest hit is 'Our House' but they're sound was more ska than that song.

i'm sure you can find info on wikipedia that will lead you to a myspace or something.

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 7:02:11 AM   
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I remember "Our House" but I do not recall their horn section. I will take a look.

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 7:14:32 AM   
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I remember "Our House" but I do not recall their horn section. I will take a look.


yes. listen to it again... the tenor sax is very predominant. thats what makes ska 'ska' is the horns. ska started in the late 50s as a cousin to Reggae in Jamiaca, as an outlet for teh greasers to hang out at clubs, but was more dancey and more emphasis on horns. it came back in the 70s in the UK as 2-tone. and then came back in the 90s in america as predminately "ska-core" which was basically punk rock with a horn section.

i believe madness had 2 tenor saxes and a trombone. also they had some success with the song 'One Step Beyond' (i've heard it on commercials and on various sit-coms as well. that was more of teh classic 2-tone ska sound than 'Our House')

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 7:28:59 AM   
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(i know i'm kinda taking this in a sort of veered off path, from the op)
and on the note of 3rd wave ska/ska-core... i'd suggest checking out (hearing at the very least) VooDoo Glow Skulls. they were from so-cal. very fast punk rock, but their horn section was just BLISTERINGLY fast. almost rediulous. listen to the song Bale De Los Locos (or is it Beles De Los Locos? i forget my spanish conjegation) to hear what i'm saying. i was never a fan... but i do remember how crazy the horns were in teh verses of that song. at leats i thought so 13 years ago lol

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 8:06:09 AM   
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(i know i'm kinda taking this in a sort of veered off path, from the op)
and on the note of 3rd wave ska/ska-core... i'd suggest checking out (hearing at the very least) VooDoo Glow Skulls. they were from so-cal. very fast punk rock, but their horn section was just BLISTERINGLY fast. almost rediulous. listen to the song Bale De Los Locos (or is it Beles De Los Locos? i forget my spanish conjegation) to hear what i'm saying. i was never a fan... but i do remember how crazy the horns were in teh verses of that song. at leats i thought so 13 years ago lol


La cancion se llama, "Baile de los Locos"? From the noun "baile" - dance.

I never heard of this band before and was impressed by their longevity. I'm going to see if I can give them a listen on Napster. I'm especially interested in the song you mentioned plus one entitled, "La Migra".

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 10:56:43 AM   
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Three words: Earth, Wind, & Fire.
Three more words: Tower of Power

Those two bands have two of the hottest horn sections EVAH! Tower of Power plays stuff so complex you can't find "one" to start counting time. And the Phoenix Horns of EWF were just the tightest you'll ever hear. Both of them carried funk to the top of the charts in the 70's.

And then there's this band named after a certain midwest city that defined horns in a rock band. Before Chicago the only horn in a rock song was a saxophone.


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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 11:23:26 AM   
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Love both those groups, esp. EW&F

All the Motown (funk brothers) and Chi-town recordings as well. Great horn sections.

Anyone ever hear of a CCM jazz band in the 70s called Seawind? Their horn section made the rounds of several groups doing studio back up work.

Messenger was one group that used them a lot.

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 11:35:46 AM   
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Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass?

Hewey Lewis and the News used some horns...

Best horm band ever? Five Iron Frenzy...period.
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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 11:37:12 AM   
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And then there's this band named after a certain midwest city that defined horns in a rock band. Before Chicago the only horn in a rock song was a saxophone.
Interestingly, many of the horn bands came from that city:

Chicago
Buckinghams
Ides of March

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 11:42:21 AM   
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Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass?
Actually, until forced to go on the road, there was no "Tijuana Brass." All the parts were played by Alpert.

I have always had respect for him.

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 12:45:22 PM   
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Three words: Earth, Wind, & Fire.
Three more words: Tower of Power



Tower of Power is incredible! They still record.


Dave, how about the Brian Setzer Orchestra? The "Live Collection" and "Rockabilly Riot Volume 1" are excellent CDs.

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 2:54:17 PM   
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I have heard of Brian Setzer Orch, but not sure I have actually heard them.

If anyone is not off-put by other languages, there are a few good bands, mostly Chassidic Jewish that record in Yiddish and Ashkenazic Hebrew. (NOT Israeli Hebrew)

I really enjoy Avraham Fried , Oif Simchas and my favorite is Mendy Wald. Great horn sections each.

I would specificaly recomend "Hine Ma Tov" by Fried, Oif Simchas and a few others that starts their Ohel Concert live album, and Mendy Wald's "Chazzak" on his L'Chaim album.

http://www.mostlymusic.com/concert5758-p-11.html
http://www.mostlymusic.com/lchaim-p-194.html

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/19/2009 6:32:43 PM   
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Three words: Earth, Wind, & Fire.
Three more words: Tower of Power

Those two bands have two of the hottest horn sections EVAH! Tower of Power plays stuff so complex you can't find "one" to start counting time. And the Phoenix Horns of EWF were just the tightest you'll ever hear. Both of them carried funk to the top of the charts in the 70's.

And then there's this band named after a certain midwest city that defined horns in a rock band. Before Chicago the only horn in a rock song was a saxophone.



With that funky bass to back them up!

Herb Alpert was awesome horn player (Zorba the Greek) as was Miles (although technically he is not a band).!

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/20/2009 2:13:21 AM   
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Once upon a time I picked up an album by the blues/jazz/rock group Morphine called The Night (their 5th and last album recorded shortly before the death of their core member and released posthumously), and still love listening to it when I'm in a late-night mellow mood. They were a trio of bass/vocal, sax, and percussion. This particular album has a very stripped down sound, predominantly featuring a 2-string bass played with a slide and a variety of saxes over various jazzy brush percussion. Here is Wiki's description:

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Morphine's instrumentation was quite unusual: Sandman's primary instrument was a two-string bass guitar (with both strings usually tuned to a 5th or octave interval) played with a slide; however, on the group's records he added touches of guitar, piano, electronic organ, and other self invented guitar instruments such as tritar (three stringed guitar). Colley played primarily baritone saxophone, along with soprano or tenor saxes, and the rare bass saxophone, and he sometimes played two saxes at once, a la Roland Kirk; he also played occasional percussion, and Dobro on a B-side.


I actually couldn't think of a way to describe the very unique album, but a reviewer on Amazon.com wrote it perfectly:
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The Night is quintessential three AM music. Gloomy, slinky, devious and suave, these songs sound as if they were written specifically for a misty, mysterious night in New York City or Chicago. It is a sound that Morphine had been exploring ever since their formation in 1992. The band's instrumentation of Billy Conway's tightly-trimmed drumming, Dana Colley's wavy saxophone and Mr. Sandman's murky, two-string, slide bass, along with his deep, brooding voice and detached, downhearted lyrics have always echoed with full moons, lost souls and ambiguous intentions.


You owe it to yourself to at least check out a few songs. I would recommend "The Night", "Souvenir", "Top Floor, Bottom Buzzer", or "A Good Woman Is Hard to Find"... though the album is something special as a whole.

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/20/2009 2:24:05 AM   
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Also, all of the superb modern big bands deserve a mention.

Specifically, my three favorites:
Harry Connick Jr.'s Blue Light, Red Light (horns saturate the album, from wild ["Just Kiss Me"] to oozing sentiment ["Jill"])
Royal Crown Review's The Contender (some of the tightest horns you'll ever hear)
Big Bad Voodoo Daddy's 1998 self titled album, and their brand new How Big Can You Get? The Music of Cab Calloway

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/20/2009 10:13:42 AM   
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quote:

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Once upon a time I picked up an album by the blues/jazz/rock group Morphine called The Night (their 5th and last album recorded shortly before the death of their core member and released posthumously), and still love listening to it when I'm in a late-night mellow mood. They were a trio of bass/vocal, sax, and percussion. This particular album has a very stripped down sound, predominantly featuring a 2-string bass played with a slide and a variety of saxes over various jazzy brush percussion. Here is Wiki's description:

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Morphine's instrumentation was quite unusual: Sandman's primary instrument was a two-string bass guitar (with both strings usually tuned to a 5th or octave interval) played with a slide; however, on the group's records he added touches of guitar, piano, electronic organ, and other self invented guitar instruments such as tritar (three stringed guitar). Colley played primarily baritone saxophone, along with soprano or tenor saxes, and the rare bass saxophone, and he sometimes played two saxes at once, a la Roland Kirk; he also played occasional percussion, and Dobro on a B-side.


I actually couldn't think of a way to describe the very unique album, but a reviewer on Amazon.com wrote it perfectly:
quote:


The Night is quintessential three AM music. Gloomy, slinky, devious and suave, these songs sound as if they were written specifically for a misty, mysterious night in New York City or Chicago. It is a sound that Morphine had been exploring ever since their formation in 1992. The band's instrumentation of Billy Conway's tightly-trimmed drumming, Dana Colley's wavy saxophone and Mr. Sandman's murky, two-string, slide bass, along with his deep, brooding voice and detached, downhearted lyrics have always echoed with full moons, lost souls and ambiguous intentions.


You owe it to yourself to at least check out a few songs. I would recommend "The Night", "Souvenir", "Top Floor, Bottom Buzzer", or "A Good Woman Is Hard to Find"... though the album is something special as a whole.


With the way those reviews sounded (and they were eloquently written) the name Morphine seems appropriate. The reviews intrigued me enough to want to check them out. I gotta branch out my current listening anyway since I've fallen back into what I call my rockin' chair rut.

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/20/2009 10:29:06 AM   
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Harry Connick Jr.'s Blue Light, Red Light (horns saturate the album, from wild ["Just Kiss Me"] to oozing sentiment ["Jill"])
Definitely his best album. I saw the tour and walked away mighty impressed with HC. I had thought he was just a Sinatra wannabe, but the man has massive talent. He sings, arranges, plays piano & drums, dances a mean soft shoe, and can even act a little. And the band was smokin' hot.

Do we include the big bands in this discussion? Basie, Ellington, the Dorseys, Miller, Goodman, Jimmy Lunceford, and dozens of others that helped distract radio audiences from the ravages of WWII.


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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/20/2009 10:48:28 AM   
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Do we include the big bands in this discussion? Basie, Ellington, the Dorseys, Miller, Goodman, Jimmy Lunceford, and dozens of others that helped distract radio audiences from the ravages of WWII.
Sure. Why not?

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/20/2009 7:13:32 PM   
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Did anyone mention the O.C. Supertones yet?

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/20/2009 11:35:50 PM   
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quote:

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Harry Connick Jr.'s Blue Light, Red Light (horns saturate the album, from wild ["Just Kiss Me"] to oozing sentiment ["Jill"])
Definitely his best album. I saw the tour and walked away mighty impressed with HC. I had thought he was just a Sinatra wannabe, but the man has massive talent. He sings, arranges, plays piano & drums, dances a mean soft shoe, and can even act a little. And the band was smokin' hot.

Do we include the big bands in this discussion? Basie, Ellington, the Dorseys, Miller, Goodman, Jimmy Lunceford, and dozens of others that helped distract radio audiences from the ravages of WWII.



I loves me some HC Jr. My wife always teases me about which movie stars she would leave me for, but I always counter that I'd leave her for Harry .

Harry has ALWAYS picked accompanying musicians like fine wines. Blue Light, Red Light is definitely my favorite, but only among other "favorites": We Are In Love was my soundtrack when I visited London for the first time. It has some killer tunes. 25, though mostly all piano and vocal (not horns per the OP), is one of the most frequent Dinner CD's that gets played in my house. 30 is more mature, but just as good. Regarding actual horns, his album Connick on Piano #3: chanson du vieux carre is PURE New Orleans goodness, featuring HC on piano, Neal Caine on bass, and Arthur Latin on drums, but with 5 saxophones, 4 trumpets, and 5 trombones. Its all instrumental except for one track (which is good, too).

Re: old school big band, Basie, Miller, Goodman... you can never go wrong with the old school.

Re: new school big band/swing, I don't know how I could have forgotten about Squirrel Nut Zippers. I have all of their albums and could swear they traveled to the present day in a time machine from 1930. Though not the permanently dominant sound in SNZ pieces (a little heavier on ukulele, banjo, and guitar) most cuts do feature some mean trumpet and sax.

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RE: Horn bands anyone? - 8/21/2009 7:58:58 AM   
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And to satisfy the "no secular" fanatics, may I present Denver and the Mile High Orchestra? A little cheesy, but a pretty tight band nonetheless.

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