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Is the Bible 100% literally true?
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/9/2009 8:10:14 PM
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Marcus.
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The poll needs at least 2 more options.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/9/2009 9:22:21 PM
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A very simple "yes" or "no" question: Is the Bible 100% literally true?
NO.
Because the defintion of 'literally' means:
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" word for word; not as an idiom or metaphor"
The Bible is full of idioms, metaphors, ideas, and concepts not meant to be understood 'true' in 'word for word' translation.
The Bible is therefore not and cannot be considered 'literally' 100% true based on the original poster's premise.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/10/2009 3:37:07 AM
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"RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true?"
Yes it is.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/10/2009 1:48:25 PM
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I voted "no," simply because a lot of the bible is parables and they aren't "true" in a literal sense: God is not a vineyard owner, a King or a Father of two boys. Also, it's undeniable that the gospel writers shift around the chronology of certain events in Jesus life in order to build up a certain true understanding of Jesus. These events are still true: Jesus really cleansed the temple, but whether he did it at the start or end of his ministry is anyone's guess now (money's on "at the end"). I believe that the bible is true in the sense that every segment teaches us something about God's will, and that something, whether it's a literal command (Pray for your enemies) or a parable that needs to be discerned (Who was the neighbor?) is true and needs to be found out, applied, and obeyed. However, I am willing to believe that the gospel writers shuffled around events in Jesus life if they were writing to teach their congregation a certain thing (the same way a pastor might play up one aspect of God one Sunday, and another the next week) and that Acts and Paul's letters may differ in details either because of human memory of a literary point.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/10/2009 8:14:03 PM
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aray
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"The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life". What part of the Bible is supposed to be "literally true"?
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/10/2009 8:23:41 PM
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Marcus.
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Recent archaeological finds are uncovering more of the Biblical world and the descriptions of places, peoples, and events are being backed up as more finds are made.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/10/2009 9:25:43 PM
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manhattan42
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I wonder if anyone who voted that the Bible is 100% true has ever read the Bible? This is embarrassing...
I agree. It is embarrassing...
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/10/2009 10:06:01 PM
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ORIGINAL: aray
I wonder if anyone who voted that the Bible is 100% true has ever read the Bible? This is embarrassing...
I agree. It is embarrassing...
It has been said that the Bible is literally true but not everything in the Bible is literal. I prefer to use additional adjectives and adverbs to make the point. I like Hank Haanegraf's usage of "wooden literalism" or my own modification "rigid literalism." That is opposed to metaphors, idioms and proverbial phrase usages. People would not dream of the number of puns (word plays) in the original languages. I have my own list of figures of speech in a note book that I got from some web sites and from the NET Bible. Many are helpful, some are so nuanced as to be negligible except in academic circles. But all are ***interesting*** to me.
BTW. Some prophecies are based on figures of speech but we don't recognize them because they do not translate well. And the tendency to prefer "literal translations" hinders occasionally more than it helps.
"Literal," has unfortunately become a substitute in the minds of some words of dramatic effect.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/10/2009 11:58:12 PM
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Given the Bible is the Word of God, Jesus is the Word made flesh, God cannot lie and without faith it is impossible to please God, I conclude the Bible is literally true, unconditionally.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/11/2009 3:56:56 AM
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Given the Bible is the Word of God, Jesus is the Word made flesh, God cannot lie and without faith it is impossible to please God, I conclude the Bible is literally true, unconditionally.
....I guess if you think God intends people to believe He has feathers.
"He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust..." (Psalm 91:4 KJV)
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/11/2009 5:27:25 PM
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Reading, in the format offered, in the language originally offered, Digrieze says exceptionally well in Post two, and, in post twenty five.
God does not waste words, nor play games with peoples minds. We understand, as the Holy Spirit opens our mind to understanding. The person who says they understand everything there is to understand, in the Bible, lies.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/11/2009 5:51:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: navyblueret
Reading, in the format offered, in the language originally offered, Digrieze says exceptionally well in Post two, and, in post twenty five.
God does not waste words, nor play games with peoples minds. We understand, as the Holy Spirit opens our mind to understanding. The person who says they understand everything there is to understand, in the Bible, lies.
In Messiah. Arley
Arley,
I agree with you. I had seen that earlier and was only adding my 2 cents. What is unfortunate is that people believe they some are comprising the Truth of God's Word by recognizing the existence of metaphors, idioms, similes and other figures of speech. I have a list of more than a dozen different kinds in my notebook. Many of them are literary forms that do double duty as more than one kind of figure of speech. We have hyperliteralized them to such an extent that we appear ridiculous sometimes.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/11/2009 8:10:22 PM
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navyblueret
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I fear that the goal is to make us so conscious to saying the wrong thing, that we cannot say the right thing. In that case, Satan has done as he desired. made us fear our very own God, and in a sneaky way worship Satan defacto. God knows our heart, and Yaushuah knows our heart, and we know that we are saved, through His Blood. HaSatan, cannot counter that fact of Salvation.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/12/2009 11:30:25 PM
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Given the Bible is the Word of God, Jesus is the Word made flesh, God cannot lie and without faith it is impossible to please God, I conclude the Bible is literally true, unconditionally.
I agree. The Bible IS 100% literally true. God can not lie.
And Yes, I have read the Bible many times over in 50 years. I believe it is true. I base my life on it.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/13/2009 12:51:28 AM
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Given the Bible is the Word of God, Jesus is the Word made flesh, God cannot lie and without faith it is impossible to please God, I conclude the Bible is literally true, unconditionally.
I agree. The Bible IS 100% literally true. God can not lie.
And Yes, I have read the Bible many times over in 50 years. I believe it is true. I base my life on it.
Are people here saying that the bible is literally true, or that the bible is to be taken 100% literally?
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/13/2009 8:50:12 AM
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Maybe a better question to ask (that the OP is thinking of, I suppose) is, "Is the Bible 100% literal?"
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/13/2009 9:22:04 AM
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For those who answered that the Bible is 100% literally true, I'd be interested to know how you apply Mark 9:43-47:
"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell." Mark 9:43-47 (NIV)
Just curious...
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/14/2009 4:30:15 PM
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For those who answered that the Bible is 100% literally true, I'd be interested to know how you apply Mark 9:43-47:
"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell." Mark 9:43-47 (NIV)
Just curious...
Cheers,
Clayton.
Clayton,
I have been on CW quite a while and I have made your point many, many times. I can tell you that there are people who said they believed Jesus was being literal and that He was so serious about sin that He expected people to cut off limbs and pluck out eyes---not just metaphorically, but literally.
When I pointed out that the apostles and church members later on never ever practiced it in the Bible--that they must be disobeying Jesus, they claimed that people understood how serious sin was so that they never actually had to do it.     
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/15/2009 1:06:27 PM
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I voted "yes" because of my perceived intent of the poll.
We can say "no," on semantics, etc. but it is the oracles of God.
So by what I perceive the spirit of the question, I voted "yes."
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/21/2009 7:26:32 PM
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no lol, revalation has metaphores you gotta read closly for the events of revlation are happening as we speak, i think the end shall be near as immatter a fact i was talking to a revren and he said that obama will start it all, idk if its true i have a feeling the end is near
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/21/2009 7:34:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
The poll needs at least 2 more options.
Exactly. I hate questions like that.
The bible has poetry that's to be read as one reads poetry. It has history that's to be read as one would read history. It has parable that's to be read as parable, etc. etc. etc. First tell me what kind of literature we're looking at, then we can discuss the correct answer which may be one, both, or none of the above
The bible is language. Basic rules of language still apply.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/21/2009 10:57:00 PM
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Don't look for the content, only that Jesus said 'My words are true,' which makes the bible 100% 'literally' true. If the parables were not 100% true, we couldn't deduce the trueness of logic. Sounds weird, but even a lie can be 100% literally true, in the lie. (bad example)
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/22/2009 4:03:08 AM
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The bible is 100% true even in the instances where the truth presented is not literal. Those truths presented in the form of parable or even fable are fully true in that they present a truth through the use of a fictional story.
A better explanation of this is given by Frederick Beuchner in his book, "Wishful Thinking: a Theological ABC" - "The raw material of a myth, like the raw material of a dream, may be something that actually happened once. But myths, like dreams, do not tell us much about that kind of actuality. The creation of man, Adam and Eve, the Tower of Babel, Oedipus - they do not tell us primarily about events. They tell us about ourselves. In popular usage, a myth has come to mean a story that is not true. Historically speaking that may well be so. Humanly speaking, a myth is a story that is always true.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/22/2009 2:44:51 PM
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GroupW
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ORIGINAL: navyblueret
Don't look for the content, only that Jesus said 'My words are true,' which makes the bible 100% 'literally' true. If the parables were not 100% true, we couldn't deduce the trueness of logic. Sounds weird, but even a lie can be 100% literally true, in the lie. (bad example)
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True and literal are two different things, though.
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