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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/22/2009 9:38:57 PM
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navyblueret
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GroupW, Shalom.
You are right, if one compares them noun to noun, but 'literal' is changed to a verb by the use of the 'ly,' which make the verb non-combative with the noun 'true,' and only provides action/direction. It has been a while, but I believe I remember rightly. I am open to your correction.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/22/2009 10:18:25 PM
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GroupW, Shalom.
You are right, if one compares them noun to noun, but 'literal' is changed to a verb by the use of the 'ly,' which make the verb non-combative with the noun 'true,' and only provides action/direction. It has been a while, but I believe I remember rightly. I am open to your correction.
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Literal is can be an adjective or a noun. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literal
Literally can be only an adverb. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally
It can modify an adjective, verb. Possibly another adverb, but I am not sure about that one. In the case of "Is the Bible literally true," literally modifies true.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/22/2009 11:02:35 PM
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navyblueret
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Thanks, GC, and Shalom.
I do believe you are absolutely right on. My memory is not so good going back almost four decades. Good grief, all my professors have graduated by now, maybe not. Thanks, as this old sea-dog ain't not too old to learn, or relearn. Yoiks-away, and Yeee-Haaa!!
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/23/2009 2:07:26 AM
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The Bible is just like a weapon required by a solider when he goes for a war! Without that weapon, he can't win the war!
Similarly, the Word of God is our defense and protection in life, without the guidance of HIS words, I can't image how this world would turn into!
IMO, if the Bible is not literally true, it's like God never created this world, Jesus never died for our sins, etc. God forbid!
Thank God for the HIS Words revealed to HIS children! 
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/23/2009 7:01:47 AM
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IMO, if the Bible is not literally true, it's like God never created this world, Jesus never died for our sins, etc. And Shulamite would not have had a mouth full of live sheep.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/27/2009 8:35:12 PM
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As a rule of thumb, I think that poetic segments should be assumed to contain more figurative language (not to suggest that it's always that black and white). Conveniently, Hebrew poetry is easily recognized by its structure.
An interesting example of a place where this question often comes up is in the passage in Daniel where the king has a dream about a tree that can be seen anywhere on earth. I've seen on more than one occasion atheists use this verse as a go-to reference to prove that the Bible presents a flat earth - ignoring the context of it being a vision.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/27/2009 8:50:22 PM
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I wonder if anyone who voted that the Bible is 100% true has ever read the Bible? This is embarrassing...
Here is the problem with that question...
The Bible speaks of Jesus Christ,
John 14: He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me,
or else
believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
Well the Bible offers “both” the works themselves… and the words also...
The problem with that question… when someone asks is the Bible is 100% true… and some say NO… that is a definitive denial of Christ himself based on. “both” the works themselves… and the words also
LG
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/28/2009 9:05:28 AM
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Well saying, LG!
Revelation 22: 13, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
Revelation 22: 18-20, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus."
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/28/2009 10:48:41 AM
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navyblueret
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ORIGINAL: aray
I wonder if anyone who voted that the Bible is 100% true has ever read the Bible? This is embarrassing...
Here is the problem with that question...
The Bible speaks of Jesus Christ,
John 14: He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me,
or else
believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
Well the Bible offers “both” the works themselves… and the words also...
The problem with that question… when someone asks is the Bible is 100% true… and some say NO… that is a definitive denial of Christ himself based on. “both” the works themselves… and the words also
LG
Well Said LG. Some things in the Word, do sound a bit far fetched to be considered 100% literally true, except for one thing, as I am sure you would agree, 'The truth is there, but needs assistance by Holy Spirit, for the mortal mind to comprehend.' It is we, mortals, who are less than 100%, in understanding the 'literal truth' of God's word.
Aray, Shalom, you will see the truth of God's word. Ask HS to help.
In Messiah, His Blessings, and Patience. Keep the Watch, He is near. Arley
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/31/2009 11:17:08 AM
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lhtytlp
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Some things in the Word, do sound a bit far fetched to be considered 100% literally true, except for one thing, as I am sure you would agree, 'The truth is there, but needs assistance by Holy Spirit, for the mortal mind to comprehend.' It is we, mortals, who are less than 100%, in understanding the 'literal truth' of God's word.
Good saying, Arley! Just like the Scriptures say in Mark 4 when Jesus talked about the mystery of the Kingdom of God!
Mark 4: 3-8, "Hearken; Behold, there went out a sowe to sow: And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up. And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth: But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away. And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yield no fruit. And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increase; and brough forth, sme thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred."
Mark 4: 14-20, "The sower soweth the word. And these are they by the way side, where the wor is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are affended. And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred."
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 11/2/2009 9:53:30 AM
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As a rule of thumb, I think that poetic segments should be assumed to contain more figurative language (not to suggest that it's always that black and white). Conveniently, Hebrew poetry is easily recognized by its structure.
Hebrew poetry is often recognized by its structure, but (like English) Hebrew poetry can expressed in more than one form or style of writing.
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An interesting example of a place where this question often comes up is in the passage in Daniel where the king has a dream about a tree that can be seen anywhere on earth. I've seen on more than one occasion atheists use this verse as a go-to reference to prove that the Bible presents a flat earth - ignoring the context of it being a vision.
While the interpretation offered by the atheists you have come across is entirely invalid, the reason has nothing to do with this passage being part of a vision. In this case, the reason this is not understood literally is simply because it is an idiomatic expression. In Hebrew, just like in Greek and English, "to the ends of the earth" simply means a vast distance, an entire kingdom, etc... and not literally "to the ends of the earth." The use of this idiom can be seen again when Daniel uses it describing the vastness of Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom (v. 4:22). Another example can be seen in the NT when Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census be taken of the whole world. (Luk 2:1 NAS) Neither Daniel's response or the account of Luke were part of visionary speech, but both are still understood as idioms that express the vastness of the kingdoms of Babylon and Rome.
Note: I am not sure if you meant to imply that the vision in Daniel 4 was Hebrew poetry, but for the record Daniel 4 was written in Aramaic and not Hebrew and it is prose not poetry. Daniel is a unique book in the OT because it starts and ends in Hebrew, but the middle of the book is written in Aramaic.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 11/5/2009 5:01:30 PM
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I'm surprised to see the response of so many people who DON'T believe that the Bible is 100% literally true, with that being a basic fundamental evangelical Christian doctrine. It's sad to see that so many so-called Christians have wandered away from this important truth. God, help us to return to seeing Your holy Book as the very Word of God, to esteem and honour it, to read it, love it, and live by the book! Amen.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 11/5/2009 10:45:55 PM
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I'm surprised to see the response of so many people who DON'T believe that the Bible is 100% literally true, with that being a basic fundamental evangelical Christian doctrine.
No, it's not. LITERALLY true means true without metaphors, idioms, etc. - at least, that's how I read the OP's question.
If you read through the thread (you may have, but missed the distinction), you'll see that most people think things like Revelation having symbols and metaphors, the Shulamite woman in Song of Solomon not really having sheep in her mouth, etc. 
Were the Pharisees a bunch of literal snakes when Jesus called them such? No - it wasn't literally true.
But it is all TRUTH.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 11/6/2009 4:29:19 PM
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I'm surprised to see the response of so many people who DON'T believe that the Bible is 100% literally true, with that being a basic fundamental evangelical Christian doctrine.
No, it's not. LITERALLY true means true without metaphors, idioms, etc. - at least, that's how I read the OP's question.
But it is all TRUTH.
ta_mosquito,
You are correct. I didn't read Christopher's comment closely enough. Essentially, he's accusing people like me of wandering from faith in scripture.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 11/7/2009 8:28:56 AM
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I'm surprised to see the response of so many people who DON'T believe that the Bible is 100% literally true, with that being a basic fundamental evangelical Christian doctrine. It's sad to see that so many so-called Christians have wandered away from this important truth. God, help us to return to seeing Your holy Book as the very Word of God, to esteem and honour it, to read it, love it, and live by the book! Amen.
No, believing the bible is to be understood absolutly litterally is NOT a "basic fundamental evangelical doctrine;" in many cases such a belief would be considered heretical by evangelical chistians. The basic fundamental doctrine held by evangelicals is a belief in the inerrancy of Scripture; in 1978 about 300 of the top evangelical scholars signed the chicago statement on biblical inerrancy, a statement that defines the doctrine of inerrancy held by most evangelicals. Included among those who signed this statement are Norman Geisler, J. I. Packer, Robert Preus, Francis Shaeffer. R. C. Sproul, and John Wenham. If you are interested in understand what most evangelical churches believe (and have believed historically), please go and read that statement.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 11/7/2009 9:55:13 AM
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With God as the author, it would be hard to say that it is false. The specific place where Jesus talked about this, John 10: 35, (and the Scripture cannot be broken), He chooses to emphasize the aspect of it's authority. The modern Bible has many translations and undoubtedly strays from the original, raising some questions about 'it's' exactness. Of course, there is the symbolically true as well as the literally true. Whether the Bible is perfect really becomes an incidental question, when faced with it's authority.
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