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RE: Rock Music - 9/15/2009 9:38:24 PM
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Thanks for the hoyhoy link. That was the best history of the term I've read so far.
Your very rocking welcome!
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RE: Rock Music - 9/16/2009 8:03:59 AM
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i saw malmsteen at the pier in NYC , when he was with alcatrazz.
I probably saw them on the same tour when they played Six Flags Great Adventure in NJ back-in-the-day, opening for Ted Nugent.
I caught him live again in '85 with Rising Force at a club called Bratz, also in NJ. Horrible sound that evening. Just bad.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/16/2009 12:41:57 PM
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I saw Yngwie only once with Steeler on the Strip in Hollywood. I saw a lot of up and coming HM bands at Hollywood Clubs in those days. Megadeth, Metallica, Poisen, Guns n Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers (not HM, I know ), Violet Fox (Rhandy Rhoads' 1st band before joining Quiet Riot and then Ozzy), Warrant, and many others that I don't remember.
Of course, looking at the names of the bands you might think Warrant? I said I saw the bands, I didn't say they were good. 
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RE: Rock Music - 9/16/2009 11:49:01 PM
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I saw Yngwie only once with Steeler on the Strip in Hollywood. I saw a lot of up and coming HM bands at Hollywood Clubs in those days. Megadeth, Metallica, Poisen, Guns n Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers (not HM, I know ), Violet Fox (Rhandy Rhoads' 1st band before joining Quiet Riot and then Ozzy), Warrant, and many others that I don't remember.
Of course, looking at the names of the bands you might think Warrant? I said I saw the bands, I didn't say they were good.
Back then it was so tough to see much difference between 'strip' bands. Open up BAM magazine or Rock City News and every single band had the same clothes, the same hair and similar names...how many band names that had the word "white" in them, like China White, White Tiger, White Lion...and then you could use a y in place of the i...Tryxter, Diamond Whyte, Lyxx, etc...oh, the memories...
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RE: Rock Music - 9/17/2009 1:39:18 PM
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Does the scripture "Come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord","be not conformed to this world",have any meaning to any of you?Just wondering.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/17/2009 3:53:21 PM
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yes it does actually
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RE: Rock Music - 9/17/2009 4:04:20 PM
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Does the scripture "Come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord","be not conformed to this world",have any meaning to any of you?Just wondering.
Sure it does, but what exactly do you think it means?
Don't eat food produced by non-Christians?
Don't drive a vehicle manufactured by non-Christians?
Don't live in a home built by non-Christians?
Don't live in a community with other non-Christians?
Or is it just don't listen to rock music?
I, too, am just wondering...
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RE: Rock Music - 9/17/2009 5:54:49 PM
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Does the scripture "Come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord","be not conformed to this world",have any meaning to any of you?Just wondering.
Sure it does, but what exactly do you think it means?
Don't eat food produced by non-Christians?
Don't drive a vehicle manufactured by non-Christians?
Don't live in a home built by non-Christians?
Don't live in a community with other non-Christians?
Or is it just don't listen to rock music?
I, too, am just wondering...
Yes I do know what It means,and It dosen't mean anything of what you posted.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/17/2009 9:12:48 PM
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Well, it is a discussion. So enlighten us. What exactly is your point? Are you selectively applying that verse to support an anti-rock music viewpoint?
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RE: Rock Music - 9/17/2009 9:25:55 PM
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Does the scripture "Come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord","be not conformed to this world",have any meaning to any of you?Just wondering.
i am seperate from teh world. i don't cuss, i dont get drunk, i dont smoke, i dont practice pre-marital sex, or other worldly things....
and so theres still something wrong with listening to the RAMONES?
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RE: Rock Music - 9/18/2009 9:25:34 AM
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ORIGINAL: yustme
Does the scripture "Come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord","be not conformed to this world",have any meaning to any of you?Just wondering.
Sure it does, but what exactly do you think it means?
Don't eat food produced by non-Christians?
Don't drive a vehicle manufactured by non-Christians?
Don't live in a home built by non-Christians?
Don't live in a community with other non-Christians?
Or is it just don't listen to rock music?
I, too, am just wondering...
Yes I do know what It means,and It dosen't mean anything of what you posted.
And would you care to share with us what you think it does mean?
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RE: Rock Music - 9/18/2009 10:39:56 AM
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it is a simple case of some that take verses for what they want it to mean. if you going to be in the word, as that is, be all the way.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/18/2009 1:06:49 PM
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I guess I shouldn't have posted anything.I can explain what It means,however,there Isn't any of you that will try to learn from It just argue with me and tell me that's my opinion and I won't argue God's Holy word.I am seeing so much of people who want to claim Christianty but their lives testify to something else.No,I'm not pointing my finger at any of you,because Idon't know any of you.But with salvation comes a change.And If there Is no change,there was no salvation.
BTW,I loved rock music,but when Jesus came Into my life,He changed me completly.What I once loved In the world,I have no desire for.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/18/2009 10:47:01 PM
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I guess I shouldn't have posted anything.I can explain what It means,however,there Isn't any of you that will try to learn from It just argue with me and tell me that's my opinion and I won't argue God's Holy word.I am seeing so much of people who want to claim Christianty but their lives testify to something else.No,I'm not pointing my finger at any of you,because Idon't know any of you.But with salvation comes a change.And If there Is no change,there was no salvation.
BTW,I loved rock music,but when Jesus came Into my life,He changed me completly.What I once loved In the world,I have no desire for.
Do you watch only Christian tv?
Christian movies?
Christian radio?
Buy Christian art?
Read Christian books?
I'm not looking to argue, but I am looking for you to answer the question honestly.
In my experience, it's very easy for people to both attack a music genre and distance themselves from it, thinking that it somehow distances themselves from "the world". So, that's why I ask the questions that I do and what makes me interested in where the "line" between the-world and not-the-world actually is.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/19/2009 12:12:30 AM
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I guess I shouldn't have posted anything.I can explain what It means,however,there Isn't any of you that will try to learn from It just argue with me and tell me that's my opinion and I won't argue God's Holy word.I am seeing so much of people who want to claim Christianty but their lives testify to something else.No,I'm not pointing my finger at any of you,because Idon't know any of you.But with salvation comes a change.And If there Is no change,there was no salvation.
BTW,I loved rock music,but when Jesus came Into my life,He changed me completly.What I once loved In the world,I have no desire for.
I don't think anyone hear is arguing God's Holy Word.We just disagree with interpreting it the way you have.
"The World" has some different meanings in scripture.The same bible that sais "Do not love the world or the things in the world (1 John 2:15, 16) also sais "For God so loved the world" (John 3:16).It also talks about the world God created (John 1:10) and speaks of married people being concerned about the things of the world (1 Corinthians 7:33, 34).
Let's look at these four scripture passages I cited above:
#1. In 1 John 2:15, 16 "The World" refers to the world of sin or spiritual darkness.The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and pride of life are the three examples it gives of this type of world.While such modern day things as pornography easily fit in this category, I have a hard time seeing how this relates to blues chord progressions, rocking on the 2nd and 4th beat of the 4/4 measure, or playing a rock guitar riff.
#2. In John 3:16 "The World" refers to the world of people (both Christians and non-Christians).According to this scripture, God loved this world of people and loved them enough to send Jesus, so that they wouldn't perish but have eternal life.So based on this verse, it's clearly okay to love the world of non-Christian people.It would be in biblical error to confuse the world of non-Christian people with the world of sin and darkness in 1 John 2:15,16.Christians sometimes blur this distinction in the way they teach and preach from scripture.And Christians blur this distinction when they assume that a style of music is wrong, just because it originated in the world of non-Christians! That's no different than saying a certain car is wrong because a non-Christian invented it.
#3. In 1 John 1:10 "The World" refers to the world of God's creation--including human beings.Enough said.
#4. In 1 Corinthians 7:33,34 "The World" is being used to describe temporal things of this earth, in contrast to spiritual things of the Lord.The Apostle Paul in this passage is refering to all married people, saying they are concerned with the things of the world (earthly matters).He is not saying this is sin, but rather suggesting it would be better to be unmarried so you can give undivided attention to the Lord.Interestingly enough the term "secular" (as defined in the dictionary as things that are of this present life or temporal as opposed to spiritual) is the same kind of thing as "The World" in this part of the bible.And one of the dictinary definitions of "worldly" is "things that are mundane; earthly, not spiritual".This is the type of worldly that Paul is addressing, not the sinful kind of worldly.Unfortunately Christians often blur the distinction again, confusing the secular or temporal kind of world in 1 Corinthians 7:33,34 with the world of sin in 1 John 2:15,16.It is these Christians who use a verse like 1 John 2:15,16 to condemn all music that doesn't talk about spiritual things (God, Jesus, worship, etc).
There is no verse in the bible that can justify the belief that the entire realm of rock music is sinfull (regardless of lyrics or intention).Not only is rock capable of being good, it is a vehicle that God's Spirit can speak through (which has happened to me on different ocassions).God has spoken to me or refreshed me through such rock as the Prayer Chain, Saviour Machine and even some U2 songs.I could add Misty Edwards to the list, though her style isn't necessarily pure rock.But there's definetly a rock element to her music and there's no denying that the presence of God is on it.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/19/2009 8:42:20 AM
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WillingSpirit,that was beautiful.I didn't sence any sarcasm or nastiness and I appreciate that.
When I have the time,I'm going to explain my view.
Have a good day& God Bless.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/19/2009 10:21:10 AM
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I guess I shouldn't have posted anything.I can explain what It means,however,there Isn't any of you that will try to learn from It just argue with me and tell me that's my opinion and I won't argue God's Holy word.I am seeing so much of people who want to claim Christianty but their lives testify to something else.No,I'm not pointing my finger at any of you,because Idon't know any of you.But with salvation comes a change.And If there Is no change,there was no salvation.
BTW,I loved rock music,but when Jesus came Into my life,He changed me completly.What I once loved In the world,I have no desire for.
Do you watch only Christian tv?
Christian movies?
Christian radio?
Buy Christian art?
Read Christian books?
I'm not looking to argue, but I am looking for you to answer the question honestly.
In my experience, it's very easy for people to both attack a music genre and distance themselves from it, thinking that it somehow distances themselves from "the world". So, that's why I ask the questions that I do and what makes me interested in where the "line" between the-world and not-the-world actually is.
I owe you a quick answer
Yes To all of them.I'm very human and prone to doing wrong as much as you and every human on this earth and I'm trying to protect my mind as much as I can.The Bible teaches us to protect our minds from satan.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/19/2009 9:43:42 PM
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WillingSpirit,that was beautiful.I didn't sence any sarcasm or nastiness and I appreciate that.
When I have the time,I'm going to explain my view.
Have a good day& God Bless.
Thanks!
Your right, I didn't write with any sarcasm or nastiness.But that's because I cooled off before I responded (if you know what I mean).I try to keep a right attitude, but sometimes I do say or think things that I regret.
I was actualy worried about the kind of response I might get, so I find this to be a relief.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/20/2009 9:53:02 PM
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I guess I shouldn't have posted anything.I can explain what It means,however,there Isn't any of you that will try to learn from It just argue with me and tell me that's my opinion and I won't argue God's Holy word.I am seeing so much of people who want to claim Christianty but their lives testify to something else.No,I'm not pointing my finger at any of you,because Idon't know any of you.But with salvation comes a change.And If there Is no change,there was no salvation.
BTW,I loved rock music,but when Jesus came Into my life,He changed me completly.What I once loved In the world,I have no desire for.
I'm glad you posted, yustme. Praise God for the change He has brought about in you. My best friend in this world from the age of 9 has always been against rock music and views it as ungodly. I, on the other hand, am a musician and enjoy all styles of music, from classical piano to rock. The reason we were able to remain such good friends is he did not tell me to have the same conviction he did regarding music. Because of your background, you associate rock music with the world, so it is good you do not violate your conscience and obey what the Holy Spirit has moved your heart to do. In a similar way to you, his father associated rock music with his former lifestyle and taught his children that rock music was of the devil as a result. He felt the music went right along with the lifestyle.
Here is the key ... all Christians do not have the same background as those who associate a certain style of music or other activity with their former lifestyle. To expect everyone to have the same conviction down to that specific detail is outside Scripture. The verse does not specify what activities constitute being separate from the world. Because of this, we must trust the Holy Spirit to move each individual as the details on what specifically is and is not worldly.
If the standard regarding music is to never use a style that a worldly or unbelieving person has played or is currently playing ... I'm afraid we Christians would be forced to abandon song altogether.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/26/2009 11:20:45 PM
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my parents raised me on stryper, rez band, degarmo & key, steve taylor and the like... so as far back as i can remember i've been surrounded by christian rock. so 
Thankfully, the Christian Rock of today is so much better than the Christian Rock that I avoided and used to laugh at back in the '80s. I'll take Thousand Foot Krutch, Disciple, Plumb and Flyleaf over Stryper any day.
Give it 20 years, and your kids will be saying the same thing that you just said about 80's music as well.  
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RE: Rock Music - 9/27/2009 1:32:44 AM
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my parents raised me on stryper, rez band, degarmo & key, steve taylor and the like... so as far back as i can remember i've been surrounded by christian rock. so
Thankfully, the Christian Rock of today is so much better than the Christian Rock that I avoided and used to laugh at back in the '80s. I'll take Thousand Foot Krutch, Disciple, Plumb and Flyleaf over Stryper any day.
Give it 20 years, and your kids will be saying the same thing that you just said about 80's music as well.
I raised my kids on Rez Band, etc.
keithy has a point about much of the Christian music of the 80's being less than wonderful. There wasn't much quality music to choose from in those days.
That being said, the first few albums of Rez Band and Degarmo & Key are still among my favorites. Of course, that was in the 70's.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/27/2009 5:30:39 PM
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I thought that a few of the 80's stuff was pretty decent.
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RE: Rock Music - 9/28/2009 10:48:41 AM
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a lot of it was. i grew up then. well was a teen then
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RE: Rock Music - 9/29/2009 6:32:52 AM
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let me be the voice of reason here:
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psalm 150:5
praise him with the clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals.
therefor, God said Let There Be Rock.
thank you. thank you... *bows* thank you. thank you. oh, and thank you too. thank you *bows again* thank you *bows* *catches a rose*
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