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Ley Lines - 9/9/2009 3:07:49 PM
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justpassinby
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I guess it's the geometry in me, but I have always been fascinated by the idea of ley lines in Britain. These lines defined by monoliths, dolmens, barrows, churches and so forth were supposed to be merely lines of perhaps religious or astronomical significance, and possibly boundaries and travel routes. Where many of these lines were noted to cross supposed supernatural events such as ghost sitings or UFO activity occurred thus attaching an esoteric or occult meaning to them by some people.
These lines are defined for a short distance relative to the size of the earth, but I often thought to extend them into other continents to see if they cross any significant structures, countries related to Britain, or whatever. Much like the great Pyramid in Egypt, may have prophetic significance to it. Of course such a "line" will become a great circle arc when going over great distances of the earth.
For example, take St Michael's Ley ( http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/stmichael.htm ) Notice by the link I gave that it runs Northeast and Southwest. So, to demonstrate what I mean, I observed that since Australia is Northeast of Britain, that it might run through there. Likewise, Caral Peru (where their pyramids are) is in the southwest direction of Britain. Well, it turns out that the line does not cross the pyramids, but it does cross over Australia. In all fairness, it is a big continent, but I wanted to demonstrate my idea as to what I meant by extending the line. I'm not claiming any significance to this line itself.
I do know it's a fact that Israel, Britain and Eastern United States lay on the same line, and both Britain and the US are Northwest of Israel, while over here where I live Israel is in the same direction as London in the Northeast.
Interesting topic, at least to me. (I should have become a geodesic surveyor  )
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RE: Ley Lines - 9/26/2009 3:25:24 PM
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I live amongst a few ley lines in England. (Oxfordshire bordering Berkshire.) Would like to see a local map of where they are-I could guess a few.
A huge record of local hauntings and ghost sightings.
Crop circles also.
Lots of ancient churches and stone circles etc not sure if they are popsitioned though.
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RE: Ley Lines - 9/26/2009 10:04:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: everjoyful
I live amongst a few ley lines in England. (Oxfordshire bordering Berkshire.) Would like to see a local map of where they are-I could guess a few.
A huge record of local hauntings and ghost sightings.
Crop circles also.
Lots of ancient churches and stone circles etc not sure if they are popsitioned though.
Yes, very interesting. And like I was saying, I wonder what happened if we extend those lines around the world? Are there other areas where they intersect that have the activity that you describe? As previously stated, I am interested in UFO sighting areas, places that have ancient structures such as pyramids and the like.
I am 50 years old, but when I retire one day (hopefully), I'd like to see your Great Nation and maybe stop by areas with such lines.
Blessings to you.
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RE: Ley Lines - 9/27/2009 3:56:31 AM
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I do have a theory though. All of the pre domesday book settlement areas around me, which are still villages and this town....are positioned next to a river, streams or springs.
Water is vital for living so maybe people flock to water rather than energy spots?
Water was also important in ancient religeous rituals so many older holy places are near old bogs and dried up streams etc.
I did read one thing that linked ley lines to water.
This would mean that these areas would have had far more human life present and a longer history of soul related doings. And so would be more likely to be haunted. After all there are rarely hauntings where there is no history.
Yeah I am a skeptic lol. Less magical power lines and more likely areas of historical occupation , water and old roads and routes.
But whatever the reason it can be interesting. As long as you don't start fixating on the "power" or spending unhealthy time dwelling on ghosts etc.
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RE: Ley Lines - 9/27/2009 3:59:31 AM
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I do have a theory though. All of the pre domesday book settlement areas around me, which are still villages and this town....are positioned next to a river, streams or springs.
Water is vital for living so maybe people flock to water rather than energy spots?
Water was also important in ancient religeous rituals so many older holy places are near old bogs and dried up streams etc.
I did read one thing that linked ley lines to water.
This would mean that these areas would have had far more human life present and a longer history of soul related doings. And so would be more likely to be haunted. After all there are rarely hauntings where there is no history.
Yeah I am a skeptic lol. Less magical power lines and more likely areas of historical occupation , water and old roads and routes.
But whatever the reason it can be interesting. As long as you don't start fixating on the "power" or spending unhealthy time dwelling on ghosts etc.
As for crop circles- we have had loads this year and my skepticism would suggest that there are some very ingenious students at Oxford universities. But hey you never know.
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RE: Ley Lines - 9/28/2009 4:50:40 AM
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Hold the phone! It's a rare day indeed when I agree with Mr Animal X, but really "ley lines"? Aye yi yi, indeed.
Have you ever been to England? I grew up there, and you can barely move without bumping into a barrow, ancient monument, church, site of historic/religious interest in many parts of the country, so it's trivially easy to draw all sorts of lines through dozens of such sites and give it some sort of significance it doesn't deserve.
And give that the Pagans in pre-Christian times worshiped the Sun, it's no surprise at all that many of the ancient burial sites and places like Avebury and Stonehenge were aligned with things like midsummer, midwinter and the equinoxes in mind. It was nothing to do with some sort of mystical power in the land itself.
The only ancient lines of any significance in England are the lines of the old Roman Roads which, remarkably, still exist today, after almost 2,000 years of history. Were you see a modern road on a map that goes straight for more than a few miles, you can bet your bottom dollar that it's following the path of an old Roman road.
Ley lines exist only in the minds of those who chose to believe and those who want to make a quick buck (pound) by selling stuff about them.
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RE: Ley Lines - 9/28/2009 9:35:44 PM
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Have you ever been to England? I grew up there, and you can barely move without bumping into a barrow, ancient monument, church, site of historic/religious interest in many parts of the country, so it's trivially easy to draw all sorts of lines through dozens of such sites and give it some sort of significance it doesn't deserve.
OK, I'll concur that maybe in some cases there is a statistical chance of happening by accident, but the theme of the thread here is that supposed lines being projected out onto lines around the earth.
For example, to cite similar to what I said earlier, I do believe there are prophetic connections between Israel, Britain and the United States. I am referencing Isaiah 49:12 to be exact. Not only is Britain in the Northwest and the scripture states (i.e. "north and west"), but so is the United States, i.e. the eastern part here where I live which was the first settled by the colonists. Looking in the opposite direction toward the Northeast from here in the US, London England and Israel are in the same direction since we are on the same line and I would have to head that direction to get to either place.
Up here in New Hampshire, there's Stonehenge type monoliths that I visited and took pictures of. Again, I was surprised that towards the northeast pointed to Stonehenge, and in the same direction monoliths in Israel. At least that what my calculations show regarding these lines and directions I mentioned.
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RE: Ley Lines - 9/29/2009 4:25:53 AM
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Hold the phone! It's a rare day indeed when I agree with Mr Animal X, but really "ley lines"? Aye yi yi, indeed.
Have you ever been to England? I grew up there, and you can barely move without bumping into a barrow, ancient monument, church, site of historic/religious interest in many parts of the country, so it's trivially easy to draw all sorts of lines through dozens of such sites and give it some sort of significance it doesn't deserve.
And give that the Pagans in pre-Christian times worshiped the Sun, it's no surprise at all that many of the ancient burial sites and places like Avebury and Stonehenge were aligned with things like midsummer, midwinter and the equinoxes in mind. It was nothing to do with some sort of mystical power in the land itself.
The only ancient lines of any significance in England are the lines of the old Roman Roads which, remarkably, still exist today, after almost 2,000 years of history. Were you see a modern road on a map that goes straight for more than a few miles, you can bet your bottom dollar that it's following the path of an old Roman road.
Ley lines exist only in the minds of those who chose to believe and those who want to make a quick buck (pound) by selling stuff about them.
Did you read my posts?
I do live in England amongst some recognised ley lines. Which aside from "power" are geological interests.
The question was raised as to wether it is true that these lines are areas of more reported paranormal activity-to which I replied that that does appear to be true. I then went on to say however that these areas are also near water and are historical settlements and it may be due to this rather than the lines that affects sightings etc.
I don't however believe these lines have power in and of themselves.
It is very true that you can't move in England for ancient monument etc but it's also true that you can't go far without bumping into a line..... It's logical that people would want to look at them as a research topic.
After doing some long googling though. Ley lines seem to be more a case of people joining the dots between places and less of actual geological phenomenon. So naturally if these drawn lines join up old places there would be more paranormal activity but activity that existed because of occupation rather than some energy in a place.
So personally I don't think I would put too much time and energy into looking at them. They seem to be a very modern concept (as recent as the 60's) and almost entirely wrapped up in dowsers, new age practitioners and the occult. 
And with that I am out of the discussion. 
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America's Stonehenge - 10/5/2009 9:28:31 AM
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Up here in New Hampshire, there's Stonehenge type monoliths that I visited and took pictures of. Again, I was surprised that towards the northeast pointed to Stonehenge, and in the same direction monoliths in Israel. At least that what my calculations show regarding these lines and directions I mentioned.
As an update to what I said earlier, here's coordinates to "America's Stonehenge". Merely copy and paste them into Google Earth maps and switch to satellite view. You can actually see swaths cut through the trees from the air making it look like a star. It's lines like these are what make me wonder if there are for want of a better term, "Global Ley Lines". In this case, I realize the lines are actually for astronomical events, and my calculations show the most northeastern swath is in the direction of the solstice sunrise for example.
Here's the coordinates >>>> 42.84213, -71.20973
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