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RE: Does Jesus forgive without correcting others? - 9/16/2009 3:24:51 PM
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rcjames
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HOWEVER......I do not think it is a 'right' to go to one who has offended.
Scripture says;
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Well evidently this person has something against you, so if they are a Christian you are to go to them, if they are not; then ignore the attacks and pray for them.
(Mat 5:44) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Bottom line if you are doing what is Godly then rest in this verse;
(1Pe 4:14) If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
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RE: Does Jesus forgive without correcting others? - 9/17/2009 7:01:32 AM
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solarflare
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Re above, that is what I posted a few back......
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HOWEVER......I do not think it is a 'right' to go to one who has offended. The Scripture telling us to do so, is instructional on how to
correct or try to correct the 'bad air' that happens when something of that nature occurs. I think this particular passage is the key to resolving so many things if Christians would actually follow the advice given. So, I guess I am saying that it is something we SHOULD do and not just something we have the RIGHT or OPTION to do.
I think we are saying the same thing? Not sure if you are agreeing with me or not. I wrote that we are INSTRUCTED to go to the person we feel has offended us or vice versa..as per the Scriptures you quote...it is not a 'right'...it is something we SHOULD do
We can only do our part. The rest, is as you quote...rest in the Lord.
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RE: Does Jesus forgive without correcting others? - 9/17/2009 7:13:46 AM
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DeliveredDarling
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Just so ya'll know- I'm not facing this particular issue. This thought occurred to me based on another thread I was reading.
Maybe, correction is too strong a word. I probably should have said "addressing the issue" instead.
If we don't address these issues on a personal level, just forgive in our hearts and leave it alone, aren't we allowing the opportunity for the offense to happen to us over and over?
Does Jesus really want us to live like this? Does being a floor mat really honor God?
I'm by no means saying that we confront on a harsh level.
I see Matt 18 as being our model for such issues. I have become so aware hear lately that these little things that we do, in action only-for appearances sake, does not change the state of our heart, if we truly aren't giving it over to God.
These things build up, distract us and re open the wounds whenever we see another. Our prayers will become ineffective because of the ill will harbored within us.
In my opinion, Matt 18 tells us to deal with issues head on, not ignore them. I really appreciate the great discussion that has taken place here. Lots of wonderful words of biblical wisdom! 
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RE: Does Jesus forgive without correcting others? - 10/12/2009 11:44:56 PM
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kmangel
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I think God wants us to communicate with each other. By not doing so we often misunderstand each other. You may forgive someone for something they never intended--you just missed their true intention. There's nothing wrong with going to someone and making sure you understand what they have said. Get it out in the open and if there is something to work on between you, then do so. If the person really meant to hurt you and you've tried to clear the air between you, then forgive them and move on. Set up some boundaries if necessary so that you don't allow the person to continue hurting you.
Years ago I had a child care parent who was having money problems. His wife had reminded him to be sure to pay his child care fees for the next week. When he arrived to pick up his child at the end of the week, he threw the fee check at me and said his child would no longer be coming to my home. I had no clue there was any problem. He was mad at his financial situation and took it out on me. I later that evening spoke to his wife and asked her what was wrong. She explained their financial state and that he had overreacted. She told me he was sorry for his behavior and wanted their child to continue in my care. I told her that I wanted to see him. When he came the next week, I discussed the situation with him and told him that I forgave him his outburst, that I loved him, his wife and child, but that if he chose to threaten me again in the future with pulling his child from my care, then I would honor that request. In other words, one threat was all I was willing to concede him. To my way of thinking I was establishing a boundary. If he chose to overstep that boundary, then I would make good his threat. I would still have forgiven him if he lost control again, but I was not going to continue our business relationship. He never lost it again, though. If I hadn't spoken to him, though, he may not have respected me as a person and I may have continued to have had a difficult relationship with him.
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RE: Does Jesus forgive without correcting others? - 11/6/2009 8:49:11 PM
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cwb
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Exactly what's the nature of the offense (without gruesome details, if possible)???
We ARE responsible for others' spiritual welfare, to a certain extent. Point out the error, WITH A CLEAR VERSE, and let it go after that.
By CLEAR verse, I'm meaning a verse that cannot be interpreted in more than one way.
Your own spiritual convictions are for you and none other. I think that's why they call them convictions. A few weeks ago, I invented a word; ADviction - your convictions, that you give to another as ADVICE.
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RE: Does Jesus forgive without correcting others? - 11/10/2009 10:45:01 AM
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Does God forgive apart from repentance?
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RE: Does Jesus forgive without correcting others? - 11/12/2009 4:32:19 AM
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cwb
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Does God forgive apart from repentance?
Good question.
Repentance, as I define it, is changed from your old [habitual] sin nature - say drunkeness, for example - a clear sinful state from which one must repent.
You get saved, the bottle hits the floor.
But then you start smoking, and you truly don't recognize that the Holy Spirit within you is telling you that it's not edifying for the temple (temple being your flesh, that houses the Spirit), and it's not exactly in the Bible that you'll burn for smoking...
Does God forgive that? Is that a scenario like you're asking?
(let's don't convert to a smoking thread)
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RE: Does Jesus forgive without correcting others? - 11/13/2009 9:55:48 AM
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Liveloved
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quote:
ORIGINAL: cwb
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ORIGINAL: Liveloved
Does God forgive apart from repentance?
Good question.
Repentance, as I define it, is changed from your old [habitual] sin nature - say drunkeness, for example - a clear sinful state from which one must repent.
You get saved, the bottle hits the floor.
But then you start smoking, and you truly don't recognize that the Holy Spirit within you is telling you that it's not edifying for the temple (temple being your flesh, that houses the Spirit), and it's not exactly in the Bible that you'll burn for smoking...
Does God forgive that? Is that a scenario like you're asking?
(let's don't convert to a smoking thread)
That's really not the scenario I am thinking of. But the topic of forgiveness is so misunderstood IMO.
I don't believe God forgives apart from forgiveness. And we bandy about forgiveness in the Christian world, concerned with how we feel, rather than concern for the other.
I do not believe in holding malice or bitterness toward others. That is sin. But I believe God's standard is for us to forgive AS He forgives which follows repentance. We are told to forgive 'just as Christ forgave you' which means repentance preceded the forgiveness.
The story of forgiveness (up to seven times?) includes repentance prior to the forgiveness (Luke 17:4). If you are sinned against seven times a day and they repent each time, we are to forgive.
And the Lord's prayer asks for God to forgive as we forgive. Should our forgiveness be different from His? Our standard greater or higher by forgiving everyone regardless of repentance? I think not. I believe God desires we love people as He loves and desire and pray for their repentance. And that we forgive when they do repent such as the father in the story of the prodigal son lived out. He forgave when his son repented.
That is biblical forgiveness Jesus style.
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