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Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/15/2009 6:27:59 PM
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RavensDesires
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When you think about it, Adam lived in Paradise. He walked with God everyday. He had no pain, sorrow, worries, problems, sickness, heartache, or even had to hunt or put out a garden and raise his own food. BUT he wasn't happy and God saw that. The answer? God created Eve, a helpmate for Adam.
If Adam couldn't be happy with ALL THAT (even walking with God everyday) until God made Eve for him, how in the world can we humans be expected to be happy Single living in the world as it is today?
If Adam wasn't, how in the world can I be???
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/15/2009 6:45:44 PM
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When you think about it, Adam lived in Paradise. He walked with God everyday. He had no pain, sorrow, worries, problems, sickness, heartache, or even had to hunt or put out a garden and raise his own food. BUT he wasn't happy and God saw that. The answer? God created Eve, a helpmate for Adam.
Hmm... be careful in saying that Adam wasn't happy before Eve came. He may have been happy or may not have been. God was the One to say that it wasn't good for the man to be alone (Gen. 2:18a). And God decided to make a helper suitable, before Adam named the animals (Gen. 2:18b). Then Adam came to see the lack of a helper like him, after (or maybe while) he named the animals (Gen. 2:19-20). And then God made Eve and brought her to Adam (Gen. 2:21-23).
I think the main thing is to remember that God knows us far better than we know ourselves and knows what is best for us and when it is time to cause the next steps, the next things, the next events to occur.
I believe that God had in mind creating humans as male and female, all along. He worked in Adam's experience to prepare Adam to see his need and to be able to recognize the provision for that need when it arrived, i.e., Eve.
God's creating Eve was far more for His purposes than merely making Adam happy. God's creation helped complete the overall work of creation.
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If Adam couldn't be happy with ALL THAT (even walking with God everyday) until God made Eve for him, how in the world can we humans be expected to be happy Single living in the world as it is today?
If Adam wasn't, how in the world can I be???
I'm not going to tell you that your strong desire to be with someone is wrong, for it is not. God designed most of us to want to be with someone -- to marry and raise a family. That's what Genesis 1:28 is about -- being fruitful, multiplying, and subduing the earth (managing/stewarding it).
But your conclusion is faulty, since your premise is faulty.
A person can be happy (joyful, fulfilled, contented) in a season of singleness... or even as a life-long single.
Likely, life-long singleness is not something God is requiring of you specifically. (If you wanted, you could choose it... for the sake of the Kingdom. And over the centuries, some have done that.)
But reality is that you are in a season of singleness, and you do have the ability (by the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit - Phil. 4:13) to choose how to handle this time in your life.
Sweet sister, know that you are not alone in your longings and frustrations. I hear you, and I feel those too. And my heart hurts for you!! The longings for companionship, partnership, closeness and intimacy, and (let's be honest) sex can be so strong!!!
God is still El Roi, the God who sees.... just as He saw Hagar in her distress... just as He heard Hannah's plea... just as He tenderly answered the questions of a young girl who was just told that she would be the mother of the Messiah and would be a virgin(!) when she conceived...
He knows every detail of your experiences and your feelings. And He has seen every tear.
Seek Him for the comfort only He can give. Let Him be Abba to you.
And know that He is still perfectly able to guide you to the provision He has planned for you.... whatever that life looks like.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/16/2009 7:30:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: RavensDesires
When you think about it, Adam lived in Paradise. He walked with God everyday. He had no pain, sorrow, worries, problems, sickness, heartache, or even had to hunt or put out a garden and raise his own food. BUT he wasn't happy and God saw that. The answer? God created Eve, a helpmate for Adam.
If Adam couldn't be happy with ALL THAT (even walking with God everyday) until God made Eve for him, how in the world can we humans be expected to be happy Single living in the world as it is today?
If Adam wasn't, how in the world can I be???
Elena1030 gave a great answer. I would only add: once Adam and Eve were together, the story doesn't end.
When tempted, even the two of them together could easily become discontent--and we are where we are today because of that moment of discontent.
Being in a relationship isn't necessarily the end of unhappiness. Even in the best of relationships, one has to seek Jesus always as one's ultimate treasure. Then, and only then, can we be happy.
That means that one can be happy whether married or single.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/16/2009 8:45:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: RavensDesires
When you think about it, Adam lived in Paradise. He walked with God everyday. He had no pain, sorrow, worries, problems, sickness, heartache, or even had to hunt or put out a garden and raise his own food. BUT he wasn't happy and God saw that. The answer? God created Eve, a helpmate for Adam.
If Adam couldn't be happy with ALL THAT (even walking with God everyday) until God made Eve for him, how in the world can we humans be expected to be happy Single living in the world as it is today?
If Adam wasn't, how in the world can I be???
If my understanding is correct, the Bible did not talk about Him being unhappy; but about him being alone (not lonely!) so He made him a helper.
This explains why it is strange for any man to grow alone, though our society accepts woman to grow alone (from ancient times, many widows would not remary but widowers would).
Anyway, to the question I dont think being alone is desirable or good for anyone.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/16/2009 7:49:32 PM
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Kind of makes you wonder{even myself) what are we here for if it is'nt in God's will for us to have a mate. I mean with Adam God sent Eve not a whole bunch of people for Adam to have help him. I mean why are we still single if God said It's not good that man should be alone there have been lots of times where i've been tempted to tell God " Please stop sending people(females paticullarly) into my life if singlness is your will for me.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/19/2009 10:32:33 PM
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I look at a secular forum in which some posters sincerely wish to be alone for the rest of their lives. Some posters have gotten married and then realized that their husbands are happiest when they and their children are not around. Some posters prefer that their families not speak to them. They are glad to be looked over at church. The extreme desire to be that apart is actually considered a psychological disorder. I can relate to such people.
A syndrome or disorder is in the eyes of the beholder. Look how many people are now diagnosed as depressed, anxious, ADHD, traumatized, etc. Everyone is seemingly ill and/or so victimized they can’t function without counseling, therapy, or lots of medication. It makes you wonder how mankind survived before for all of these “services” existed.
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I am not trying to put a guilt trip on anyone with my next statements.
I have never read in Christian forum of anyone praying for healing for those who wish to be alone. The people I am referring to above have an identified pathology in that they know they have it. Most people who have this psychological disorder have no idea that it is a problem because being alone does not bother them. Lack of sex is not a big deal either. I have read the secular theories as to how people become like this and most miss the spiritual dimension. Being pathologically content with less than God's plan for mankind is a result of being socially and spiritually sinned against to the point that people's personalities are warped.
Much of this is cultural. Many people from various countries may think westerners are sick because we don’t tend to like to stay in one house/neighborhood with are extended families. I’m talking siblings, parents, grandparents, cousins, in-laws… I have been in some countries where 25 family members were in the same house. Many of these houses have the parents and some of the children all in the same room. This was the norm in Europe until about 200 years ago in cities. So it is all very relative.
Also economic conditions have changed because the standard of living has increased greatly. There no longer the economic necessity to live with someone else. A single man or woman can earn enough money to live AND have enough for a rather large retirement fund. Many are socially connected through church, work, civic/volunteer organizations, hobbies, clubs, forums, Facebook, Crosswalk etc. Also people travel far more than they used to. So I would think very few people are totally alone nowadays. We are actually connected more than we have ever been in human history.
I am not sure what your statement “Lack of sex is not a big deal either”, means. Are you saying that it is not a big deal that some people are not having sex? Or are you saying that lack of sex should be more important and that everyone should hunger for sex even though they are single? I would venture to say that most Christians would feel the society is too obsessed with sex. Besides I would not put sex in the TOP 10 of what most Christians would want while they are single because that thinking runs counter to the Bible. It also lets the door open for lust, pornography, etc. Many Christian singles, especially ones living in urban areas, have seen first-hand the effects of our oversexed culture. Most of them know someone who has AIDS/STDs, been sexually assaulted, had an unwanted pregnancy, etc. Since the 1980’s things have gotten, how should I say, deadlier. Christians have to deal with these things in their church and family lives.
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Most contented Christian singles are NOT, repeat NOT psychologically sick. I posit that some "contented singles" are actually living outside of God's true plan for their lives. They are feeling no pain thus they see no need to change.
Only God can really judge that because there are several powerful people in the Bible who were single. Conditions have changed since Biblical times, especially for women. Back then it was hard for a woman to make it without a husband.
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I have a challenge for you unhappy singles. I dare you to make a habit of fasting, praying, and doing spiritual warfare for singles who have been warped by sin. Maybe your future spouse will be healed. Perhaps your niece's or nephew's future spouse will be delivered from those who are presently damaging the child.
If you wish to do serious fighting, pray for the healing of people on the planet who are 'Avoidant', 'Schizoid', or 'Psychopaths'. If you think those last two terms are scary consider this: even secular psychiatrists recognize that a lack of desire to have relationships (schizoid) or and incapacity to care about people (psychopath) is frighteningly abnormal. We know these conditions contradict God's plan as set forth in Genesis and God's word defines what is normal.
I am not sure how many so-called schizoids or psychopaths really exist. I haven’t seen the statistics on this nor would I know how the numbers were arrived at. But we can pray for those afflicted never the less.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/19/2009 10:33:40 PM
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I look at a secular forum in which some posters sincerely wish to be alone for the rest of their lives. Some posters have gotten married and then realized that their husbands are happiest when they and their children are not around. Some posters prefer that their families not speak to them. They are glad to be looked over at church. The extreme desire to be that apart is actually considered a psychological disorder. I can relate to such people.
A syndrome or disorder is in the eyes of the beholder. Look how many people are now diagnosed as depressed, anxious, ADHD, traumatized, etc. Everyone is seemingly ill and/or so victimized they can’t function without counseling, therapy, or lots of medication. It makes you wonder how mankind survived before for all of these “services” existed.
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I am not trying to put a guilt trip on anyone with my next statements.
I have never read in Christian forum of anyone praying for healing for those who wish to be alone. The people I am referring to above have an identified pathology in that they know they have it. Most people who have this psychological disorder have no idea that it is a problem because being alone does not bother them. Lack of sex is not a big deal either. I have read the secular theories as to how people become like this and most miss the spiritual dimension. Being pathologically content with less than God's plan for mankind is a result of being socially and spiritually sinned against to the point that people's personalities are warped.
Much of this is cultural. Many people from various countries may think westerners are sick because we don’t tend to like to stay in one house/neighborhood with are extended families. I’m talking siblings, parents, grandparents, cousins, in-laws… I have been in some countries where 25 family members were in the same house. Many of these houses have the parents and some of the children all in the same room. This was the norm in Europe until about 200 years ago in cities. So it is all very relative.
Also economic conditions have changed because the standard of living has increased greatly. There no longer the economic necessity to live with someone else. A single man or woman can earn enough money to live AND have enough for a rather large retirement fund. Many are socially connected through church, work, civic/volunteer organizations, hobbies, clubs, forums, Facebook, Crosswalk etc. Also people travel far more than they used to. So I would think very few people are totally alone nowadays. We are actually connected more than we have ever been in human history.
I am not sure what your statement “Lack of sex is not a big deal either”, means. Are you saying that it is not a big deal that some people are not having sex? Or are you saying that lack of sex should be more important and that everyone should hunger for sex even though they are single? I would venture to say that most Christians would feel the society is too obsessed with sex. Besides I would not put sex in the TOP 10 of what most Christians would want while they are single because that thinking runs counter to the Bible. It also lets the door open for lust, pornography, etc. Many Christian singles, especially ones living in urban areas, have seen first-hand the effects of our oversexed culture. Most of them know someone who has AIDS/STDs, been sexually assaulted, had an unwanted pregnancy, etc. Since the 1980’s things have gotten, how should I say, deadlier. Christians have to deal with these things in their church and family lives.
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Most contented Christian singles are NOT, repeat NOT psychologically sick. I posit that some "contented singles" are actually living outside of God's true plan for their lives. They are feeling no pain thus they see no need to change.
Only God can really judge that because there are several powerful people in the Bible who were single. Conditions have changed since Biblical times, especially for women. Back then it was hard for a woman to make it without a husband.
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I have a challenge for you unhappy singles. I dare you to make a habit of fasting, praying, and doing spiritual warfare for singles who have been warped by sin. Maybe your future spouse will be healed. Perhaps your niece's or nephew's future spouse will be delivered from those who are presently damaging the child.
If you wish to do serious fighting, pray for the healing of people on the planet who are 'Avoidant', 'Schizoid', or 'Psychopaths'. If you think those last two terms are scary consider this: even secular psychiatrists recognize that a lack of desire to have relationships (schizoid) or and incapacity to care about people (psychopath) is frighteningly abnormal. We know these conditions contradict God's plan as set forth in Genesis and God's word defines what is normal.
I am not sure how many so-called schizoids or psychopaths really exist. I haven’t seen the statistics on this nor would I know how the numbers were arrived at. But we can pray for those afflicted never the less.
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Pray that God's will be done on earth and in the lives of people as it is in heaven.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/20/2009 11:00:24 PM
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dnp200450,
Unfortunately I do not have enough time tonight to greply to your thoughtful post in the detail it deserves. Please know this:
You appear to a person of great compassion, who tries to see best in situations. That is great.
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A syndrome or disorder is in the eyes of the beholder.
Usually everyone who encounters a psychopath beholds that there is a problem. We do not need large number of them.
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I am not trying to put a guilt trip on anyone with my next statements.
I have never read in Christian forum of anyone praying for healing for those who wish to be alone. The people I am referring to above have an identified pathology in that they know they have it. Most people who have this psychological disorder have no idea that it is a problem because being alone does not bother them. Lack of sex is not a big deal either. I have read the secular theories as to how people become like this and most miss the spiritual dimension. Being pathologically content with less than God's plan for mankind is a result of being socially and spiritually sinned against to the point that people's personalities are warped.
Much of this is cultural. Many people from various countries may think westerners are sick because we don’t tend to like to stay in one house/neighborhood with are extended families.
This is a Western description. Some European first catagorized it in the early 1900s.
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I am not sure what your statement “Lack of sex is not a big deal either”, means.
Most healthy adults have a biological drive for sex. As Christians we know that God's plan for sex is withi the confines of heterosexual marriage. Period. An extreme ' take it or leave it, I'd rather leave it' attitude toward sex is problematic. For now grant me that this is not a desirable attribute in a potential mate.
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Most contented Christian singles are NOT, repeat NOT psychologically sick. I posit that some "contented singles" are actually living outside of God's true plan for their lives. They are feeling no pain thus they see no need to change.
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Only God can really judge that because there are several powerful people in the Bible who were single
Of course God can only judge. My thought is that if we send the prayers up, He will decide who gets the benefit. The point in this thread is not being powerful but being happy. I posit that there are those who would rather rejoice with a spouse than rejoice that the person who could be a spouse is a powerful single. 
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/20/2009 11:53:56 PM
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If you think those last two terms are scary consider this: even secular psychiatrists recognize that a lack of desire to have relationships (schizoid) or and incapacity to care about people (psychopath) is frighteningly abnormal.
Just to clarify ... you are oversimplifying both schizoid disorders and psychopathic disorders. (The definitions you give are inaccurate.) Both have their roots in the brain ... there are differences in the way persons with these disorders brain's function that are measurable (with EEG and MRI). I am guessing you have never worked in the mental health field???  Someone can desire to be left alone and not suffer from any of the disorders in the schizoid spectrum. There is a whole array of disorders that are unrelated to the "psychopath" where the individual is incapable of caring for others (such as borderline personality disorders, narcissistic personality disorder, anti-social personality disorder, detachment disorders,and sociopaths). Many of the personality disorders have their roots in brain damage that can occur in children growing up in extremely abusive environments. Some, such as schizophrenia, can occur from have a very high fever in childhood, and some are genetic. None of these disorders mentioned, as well as the rest that are not mentioned, have anything to do with whether a single can be happy.  The comparisons are far beyond the "you're comparing apples to oranges" argument. It is more like comparing apples to orangutans. 
I agree that we do indeed need to be praying for these people because they are ill in the same way someone with diabetes or Parkinsons is ill. I also agree that the best way to pray about any given situation is to ask God to bring His kingdom into a particular circumstance. But it is wise to remember that you and I do not usually understand the best way for God to bring His kingdom purposes into various circumstances. It may or may not be for the purpose of marriage.
When looking at the bible, there are many who were used by God and remained both single and joyful throughout their lives recorded in the bible. Paul even wrote on joy to the Philipians as a single man in a prison cell in Rome. I believe Daniel and Samuel were also single.
Just thought I would clarify.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/21/2009 11:23:46 PM
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dnp200450,
Unfortunately I do not have enough time tonight to greply to your thoughtful post in the detail it deserves.
Yeah, my posts tend to be a little, how should we say, verbose  Take your time.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/21/2009 11:38:28 PM
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A syndrome or disorder is in the eyes of the beholder. Look how many people are now diagnosed as depressed, anxious, ADHD, traumatized, etc. Everyone is seemingly ill and/or so victimized they can’t function without counseling, therapy, or lots of medication. It makes you wonder how mankind survived before for all of these “services” existed.
In the past, these syndromes did not appear quite the way they do today. We now have created a society that is quite the pressure-cooker, not to mention the horrid diets we feed our brains. Today, "normal" people suffer from mental illness in a way that would have not been possible 100+ years ago. Also, mental illness has quite a history. People were burned at the stake, thrown in a river, banished because they were thought to have a demon, or thrown into an orphanage or State mental hospital. Oh, and treatments?? Try drilling a hole through one's skull!! I'm thankful for the humane treatments we have today!!!
And regarding those with Schizoid and Schizotypal PD's, Psalms gave a great answer. There are many organic reasons for these disorders.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/23/2009 1:06:14 AM
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A syndrome or disorder is in the eyes of the beholder. Look how many people are now diagnosed as depressed, anxious, ADHD, traumatized, etc. Everyone is seemingly ill and/or so victimized they can’t function without counseling, therapy, or lots of medication. It makes you wonder how mankind survived before for all of these “services” existed.
In the past, these syndromes did not appear quite the way they do today. We now have created a society that is quite the pressure-cooker, not to mention the horrid diets we feed our brains. Today, "normal" people suffer from mental illness in a way that would have not been possible 100+ years ago. Also, mental illness has quite a history. People were burned at the stake, thrown in a river, banished because they were thought to have a demon, or thrown into an orphanage or State mental hospital. Oh, and treatments?? Try drilling a hole through one's skull!! I'm thankful for the humane treatments we have today!!!
And regarding those with Schizoid and Schizotypal PD's, Psalms gave a great answer. There are many organic reasons for these disorders.
I think people in the past were far more stressed then we are today. Infant mortality was very high. Disease and infections were killing and disfiguring people at a huge rate. We also had more regional wars. Large scale slavery was very stressful for the millions enslaved (10% of Europeans in 950A.D.) Working conditions were poor. Work site injures and amputations were an every day experience. The average lifespan was low. Things were very expensive in comparison to wages. Institutional and legal discrimination was much stronger. Childbirth was down right dangerous. Chores were much more difficult without machines.
Life was more stressful in the past. Yes many disorders and syndromes are organic. But then again, many are not. The mental industry hands out anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs like they are candy, without testing that proves an actual biologically based condition exists. To me it is no different then a person taking the drugs ecstasy or methamphetamine to make them feel better. One set of drugs is sold underground the other is prescribed by a doctor. Of course the pharmaceuticals have better quality controls in place. Besides that what is the real difference?
Over 4% of American women are on psychotropic drugs. No matter how stressed out they are the drugs are not going to solve the problem.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/23/2009 9:12:06 AM
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Mat 19:10 His disciples said to him, “If this is the case of the man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.”
Mat 19:11 But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this saying, but those to whom it is given.
Not many adults can be happy and satisfied as singles. There are some but from this passage it would seem to be rare. The next verse talks about eunichs:
Mat 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake. He who is able to receive it, let him receive it.”
That was a rather gruesome surgical process. So unless you were gifted that way (born a eunich) I would assume marriage at some point.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/23/2009 12:37:31 PM
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Mat 19:10 His disciples said to him, “If this is the case of the man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.”
Mat 19:11 But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this saying, but those to whom it is given.
Not many adults can be happy and satisfied as singles. There are some but from this passage it would seem to be rare. The next verse talks about eunichs:
Mat 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake. He who is able to receive it, let him receive it.”
That was a rather gruesome surgical process. So unless you were gifted that way (born a eunich) I would assume marriage at some point.
There is the less gruesome pharmaceutical method as well. Many men are on it to cut down on testosterone production if they have certain types of aggressive prostate cancer. The effects only last only as long as the medication is being taken. Similar to OCD medications.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/23/2009 12:40:34 PM
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Mat 19:10 His disciples said to him, “If this is the case of the man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.”
Mat 19:11 But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this saying, but those to whom it is given.
Not many adults can be happy and satisfied as singles. There are some but from this passage it would seem to be rare. The next verse talks about eunichs:
Mat 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake. He who is able to receive it, let him receive it.”
That was a rather gruesome surgical process. So unless you were gifted that way (born a eunuch) I would assume marriage at some point.
There is the less gruesome pharmaceutical method as well. Many men are on it to cut down on testosterone production if they have certain types of aggressive prostate cancer. The effects only last only as long as the medication is being taken. Similar to OCD medications.
Which medication would it be?
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/23/2009 1:26:29 PM
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Mat 19:10 His disciples said to him, “If this is the case of the man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.”
Mat 19:11 But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this saying, but those to whom it is given.
Not many adults can be happy and satisfied as singles. There are some but from this passage it would seem to be rare. The next verse talks about eunichs:
Mat 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake. He who is able to receive it, let him receive it.”
That was a rather gruesome surgical process. So unless you were gifted that way (born a eunuch) I would assume marriage at some point.
There is the less gruesome pharmaceutical method as well. Many men are on it to cut down on testosterone production if they have certain types of aggressive prostate cancer. The effects only last only as long as the medication is being taken. Similar to OCD medications.
Which medication would it be?
Sorry for the omissions, I was referring to anti-androgen drugs such as; Depo-Provera, Cyproterone and medroxyprogesterone acetate. Where I used to work I saw patients on depo-provera and besides slowing down the growth of their cancer it also greatly reduce or eliminated their sex drive. Some liked that and others didn't. Every patient was different.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/23/2009 3:37:42 PM
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The answer? God created Eve, a helpmate for Adam.
Keep in mind there was no human besides Adam, period. God had to create Eve to create the human race. Adam's situation cannot be compared to any other since that time.
Eve was a helpmate. But can only a spouse be a helpmate? How many out there needs a helpmate to *endure* a spouse? Aren't good friends and relatives also helpful? Those are not the same as a spouse obviously, but then all the Bible says is "helpmate" not "romantic other."
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/24/2009 6:50:55 AM
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Eve was a helpmate Actually it says "help meet." IOW, a helper MEET to him. That is KJV for someone who was designed specifically for him as a helper. The term "helpmate" does not appear in the text in any version I am aware of.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 9/30/2009 10:42:55 AM
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I've read some of the responses in this thread and one thing popped into my head when thinking about Adam the garden and the creation of Eve. We really don't know what Gods idea of time is. The seven days of creation could have been seven twenty four hour days or it could have been the whole one day is as a thousand years deal or something else entirely. Do we really know how long Adam was in the garden without another human before Eve was made?
One of the biggest complaints about being single is the waiting. We feel it is taking too long, I'm getting so old but back then people lived to be hundreds of years old. But we have to remember Eve came about before sin (before our bodies started to die the day we were born) so he could have been alive already for 1,000 yrs before Eve showed up who knows. Do you know how many animals there are on the planet all the different species, and he named them all. Talk about a job think about how long it takes you to think of a name for your upcoming child. LOL I'm sure they weren't all in line waiting for there turn for a name. Maybe he ventured all over (who knows how big the Garden of Eden was) and as he came upon a new animal he named it. What about the fish in the sea all those creatures had to be named too. That alone could have taken centuries.
So we assume God said let there be light, let there be man and then what two weeks later Adam needs a mate, TA DA EVE. Adam could have been alone for centuries upon centuries before Eve popped up because he wasn't in the sinful body because there was no sin yet. So when thought about like that our wait not really that long. I don't think he was unhappy becaue he had no idea of good or bad just contenment. Sin gave them knowledge of all things including lonliness which in big part I think had more to do with seperation from God.
You are correct. The oldest human age recorded in the Bible is I believe well over 900!!! We don't know GOD's time either. We humans are very limited when it comes to time because GOD was always and did not have a finite beginning because he never was created, he is the Creator. So yes, human separation from GOD is the biggest issue when it comes to loneliness.
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RE: Can an Adult truly be happy Single since Adam wasn't? - 10/2/2009 7:24:53 PM
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